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The Death of Infosec Twitter
- theaiquestion 3y agoHas any of the OSINT/INFOSEC crowd moved to mastodon or somewhere other then twitter?
- mepian 3y agoThere's an entire Mastodon instance of infosec people here: https://infosec.exchange/about https://infosec.exchange/about
- ZunarJ5 3y agoA whole list of infosec folks on there for importing, if anyone wants: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t13k5_cNhP9_TgoUmqDZk2ROkWkF6Bg3O5269vKIqWw/edit#gid=2024884983 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t13k5_cNhP9_TgoUmqDZ...
- mattl 3y agoYou might want to add a column for Bluesky/AT Protocol people too.
- ZunarJ5 3y agoNot mine. :)
- xena 3y agoIf you change the CSV format, you break the ability to import it directly to mastodon.
- mattl 3y agoI really doubt if this can be imported into Mastodon as-is.
- beepbooptheory 3y agoWait, why? Do you doubt that Mastadon has that feature, or doubt the validity of the CSV?
- mattl 3y agoYeah I doubt the validity of this as-is.
- technofiend 3y agoHoly carp, that's handy! The only downside to moving to a new social media platform is curating a new set of people to follow and unfollow, which is more overhead than I'm willing to endure. But starting with a list like this means just having to unfollow people who take a "build a brand" approach via quantity rather than quality. So, thank you.
- fsmv 3y agoThis is the best mastodon instance, Jerry is cool
- sylens 3y agoThey have almost completely migrated to Mastodon
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- genmud 3y agoMany had automation that broke with the twitter api being rug pulled. Others don't care for the way they systematically dismantled their trust and safety team. And finally, some just don't like the direction the platform is heading. Twitter has made it clear they don't care about their employees, their platform users or anything but frantically trying to extract a bit of money out of zombie company.
- rsynnott 3y agoThis is... fairly normal; possibly people forget because we have been in a period of relative stability for social networks, but this is how it usually works. It's basically how web forums reproduced, when those were the primary form of social media; forum starts to get a bit shit, people get annoyed, communities within that forum start decamping en masse for elsewhere (often a completely new forum). It's a fairly natural human behaviour; if the people you interact with go to X, you probably go to X, too. I mean, what do you expect to happen? 20% to Mastodon, 20% to Threads, 20% to T2, 20% to Bluesky, 20% stay, to avoid being perceived as a 'hivemind'? This is actually one reason I think it's rather unlikely that there will be a single Twitter-killer, with everyone from Twitter moving to Threads or whatever and then continuing on as normal. Threads will probably be the biggest (particularly if it manages to launch in the EU; that's a big problem for it right now), but I'd expect a year from now that there'll be Threads, a bunch of Mastodon instances (maybe more loosely federated than today, probably more community-oriented), maybe Bluesky (I don't personally _get_ it, but some people seem to like it) and a rump Twitter.
- sylens 3y agoThe tech community in general but especially the infosec community has strong representation from the LGBTQ community. It should be no surprise that Musk’s antics would drive that community off the site before others. The fact that they are more technically competent than other Twitter sub-communities (like sports or movies) means that the initial learning curve of Mastodon was not a blocker.
- HKH2 3y agoWhat about Threads? Isn't that supposed to be the Twitter-killer?
- DoctorOW 3y agoThe people leaving Twitter want: 1. Both high quality and high quantity posts instantly available 2. Reasonable API access, maybe not directly but they want their niche workflows to be supported 3. Clear and consistent moderation. Eliminate disruptive content while giving reasonable people a clear understanding of whether something will be removed before they post it. Threads has made vague promises to these three but not yet delivered.
- fomine3 3y ago4. no loginwall for post and profile
- werid 3y agonot available in EU.
- SideburnsOfDoom 3y agoInfosec and similar communities migrated off twitter starting months ago. Threads was not an option then, and isn't of much interest to these communities (as a platform to socialise upon) now.
- bovermyer 3y agoThreads is too new for large communities to coalesce there yet.
- mschuster91 3y agoNot available officially in Europe, for one
- avithedev 3y agoThreads lasted for like a week
- softbt 3y agothis is so sad rip
- kjs3 3y agoWhy? People leave an enshitified platform for less shitty pastures, and the audience can follow them.
- toofy 3y agorip? its not dead, it just moved. the community just shifted to a platform that is _much_ more suited to the community’s needs. - it’s open, in more ways than just the obvious. while twitter is narrowing in just about every direction you can think of. - significantly higher signal that isn’t lost amongst a bunch of noise. - relates to above, but kinda different: waay better quality of discourse. just much more pleasant. - much more responsive and predictable admin. so so so many props to jerry. definitely not a bad thing, it’s absolutely a step up and out.
- gdulli 3y agoThey probably meant RIP Twitter, RIP what it once was and used to be capable of.
- midasz 3y agoI'm really happy they moved to masto, their content just became much more accessible
- phendrenad2 3y agoInfosec twitter may be gone, but the infosec spam bots are still there. Just try searching for "Linux kernel" and try to find content by a real human. Before you manage to find one, you'll have to scan through hundreds if not thousands of low-quality bot posts about the latest linux kernel commit, linux kernel CVEs, or linux kernel mailing list posts.
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- readthenotes1 3y agoHard for me to know. I used to browse some people anonymously but can't do that anymore. Not making an account to read some physics professor's tweets...
- pabs3 3y agoYou can use nitter.net to browse anonymously at the moment.
- drdeca 3y agoI suspect your reasoning is also motivated, though I don’t know by what. There are things I’ll give credit for. I suspect the “community notes” feature is overall beneficial (though I haven’t seen it much firsthand because I use a very outdated version of the application, which doesn’t support it.). Also, making the code for the recommendation algorithm publicly readable was very cool, and I appreciate it. The way that verification was replaced with the current system, was, I think, rather poorly designed. That’s not to say that the critiques of the previous system were illegitimate. But the way the change was done threw the baby out with the bath water. Ideally, the system should work as follows: paying-users and associated features, should be independent of verification. Anyone should be able to pay a one-time (unless they change display name too much) fee to have their account verified, where this verification should be an actual verification, not just “did this person pay money”. (This might have to cost a fair chunk in order to be viable, due to labor costs of verifying, but I think it could still be reasonably cheap..) There could be an option for paying subscribers to have some icon display by their name, like the checkmark does currently, but this should be optional, and should be distinct from the verification icon. Also, there’s all the stupid stuff, like blocking links to competitors, and seemingly not having a competent rollback system for updates when they break stuff, etc.
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- yakaccount4 3y agoThis is sad indeed, but it was already infested with low quality trolls before the Elon Musk purchase. The entire Jonathon Scott clown-fiesta was utterly embarrassing.
- miki123211 3y agoThis same exact thing happened to the blind community, of which I'm a member of. Blind Twitter was pretty vibrant before Elon took over, but that changed almost completely around November/December of last year. The killer change for us was the death of third-party clients, on which blind people relied almost exclusively. The whole community is on Mastodon now, mostly concentrated around two instances, though there are plenty of people elsewhere.
- contingencies 3y agoGlad to hear a new home was found. My child and I began to analyze random public braille the other day out of random interest and found it was surprisingly easy to pick up a few letters, apparently being both alphabetic and potentially conceived as some kind of semi-derived state from regular roman shapes which provides a handy memory reference for we sighted people. I'd be very interested to hear what the best braille interfaces are. How long does it take to learn to use it for input? How do totally blind people handle the presumed need to switch between typing (on a regular keyboard, I would assume) and "input" (fingers on a braille generating device) modes at once? I suppose the staccato nature of this type of interaction harks back heavily to the old days of Unix, limited baud terminals and early micros.
- themoonisachees 3y agoBraille screens are prohibitively expensive. Most blind people on the internet either have enough sight to navigate a heavily vision-optimized interface (high-contrast, large text) or use a screen reader, or both. As far as input goes, braille keyboards are more affordable, but many users can touch-type (and have their screen reader read back). Dictation is also a mature option at this point. Blind people need 3rd-party apps because these apps can be more compatible with screen readers, or can be themed in an easier way allowing for blind-friendly presets. In general, official apps tend to be heavily obfuscated to prevent automated scraping and puppeting. Since blind users often need to basically puppet their devices by not using common interfaces, this puts them at odds with corporations who do not care about them and would ban them if allowed. The alternative is of course not to use big tech products but just because you have a disability shouldn't mean you are abandoning at least half the current web.
- yosito 3y agoAll of the infosec people I follow have moved to Mastodon. As someone with primarily tech related interests, I'm currently finding Mastodon as good or better than Twitter at it's prime.
- throwaway290 3y agoWhat I dislike about Mastodon is how people talk about "moving to Mastodon". Unlike Twitter, FB etc. you don't just "move to Mastodon"... you move to some ActivityPub server. Which one? They don't want you to know I guess? Edit: thanks for the pointers!
- yellow_lead 3y agoDefcon.social works great for this particular subject.
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- lapcat 3y ago> They don't want you to know. This sounds overly dramatic and conspiratorial.
- throwaway290 3y agoWhy conspiratorial? People are allowed to be private and not want others to follow them by not saying exactly where they moved. I am allowed to voice my frustration about that. Segregating communities is the trend now (post web 2.0 social platforms), I don't think that is over dramatizing things.
- lapcat 3y agoDon't forget that Twitter was actively censoring Mastodon links and preventing users from putting them in their Twitter profiles: https://mastodon.social/@danluu/109521316258129814 https://mastodon.social/@danluu/109521316258129814
- solarkraft 3y agoAwesome, it's great to see a successful move to the Fediverse.
- CoastalCoder 3y ago> And with that, we say “so long” to infosec twitter. ... and thanks for all the phish!
- krrrh 3y agoI for one welcome the decentralized internet that Elon is ushering in. Things were better when we had small disparate forums where people could develop their perspectives in community. As long as people are members of multiple communities we should have enough cross-pollination and course corrections to keep things mostly on track. Mods and groupthink are always a threat but it turned out they were a bigger threat still when everyone was trying to be on one social network to rule them all.