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I'm moving my projects off GitHub
- onion-soup 3y ago[flagged]
- naikrovek 3y ago[flagged]
- justapassenger 3y agoYou should think about blogs as diaries that just happen to be open to the public.
- Veen 3y agoThat would be the Anthony Bourdin who became famous writing and speaking words he thought were worth others hearing.
- evanriley 3y agoYou could say the same thing about comments and yet you still decided to post one.
- dasil003 3y agoI don't care about most blog entries, but then one catches my fancy out of the blue. The serendipity and humanity of it is wonderful and a welcome breath of fresh air from polished mass media. Why should I care that personal blogs are default uninteresting? It's a weird hill to die on.
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- JohnFen 3y ago> that people think that they have words which must be heard by others More like they think they have words that others might like to hear -- and they're often correct.
- scrum-treats 3y agoWhy all the blog hate? We saw this with Youtube as well, and then Khan Academy happened and shut that erroneous line of argumentation down. It's weird how people fail to remember that humans learn by conversing with each other (yes, this includes screaming into the void that is the IoT). Humans are prosocial. Storytelling and information spread promotes critical thinking and encourages debates, reflection, and sparks creativity. Opinions are meant to be reformulated. Take this away and what are we left with? Defunded education and "trust me bro" as prevailing logic (i.e., Idiocracy).
- JohnFen 3y agoI actually think that blogs represent the closest thing to the ideal of the internet as a means of connecting people that we have seen yet.
- jrochkind1 3y ago> As a GitHub user, I was always seeking green squares to try to make sure I had activity every day. I have never paid any attention to that at all. It surprises me that some do. Do you think it's common?
- 2023throwawayy 3y agoI think it is common, but completely absurd. Why are green squares _every day_ a good thing? Have a life. Live your life. There is more than just code.
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoI've used github for 10 years or more. I've never met someone who pays attention to the green squares. I see some online but that's it
- chomp 3y agoWould you say that it's because they're probably at home chasing green squares? Joking aside, I've known only one person who did (does?) this. They're a great engineer but frequently get into the weeds on assignments. This is just anecdote, but these types of people definitely exist.
- LeafItAlone 3y agoThis thread is the first time I’ve even heard about people caring about the squares.
- slowmovintarget 3y agoI hire programmers (and was one for more than two-and-a-half decades). I don't look at green squares on GitHub.
- mr_mitm 3y agoSame. In fact, I discovered git-backdate [1] which can specifically be used to hide the fact that your working hours are a bit deranged. [1] https://github.com/rixx/git-backdate https://github.com/rixx/git-backdate
- liquid153 3y ago[flagged]
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoSourcehut may have advantages but I just can't get past the design. I need some fun in my products and this feels like an abandoned village. This is a bad reason to not use it I admit
- yankput 3y agoI can’t get over the PR handling with git send-email. I know, it’s “how git is supposed to be used” or whatever, but it makes it just worse. I can’t decide if it’s worse or better than gerrit though. Every time I need to use gerrit for some google stuff, I want to punch my screen.
- nativecoinc 3y agoThere are even a few regular contributors on the Git project who complain about the workflow being `git send-email`/email centered.
- sooperserieous 3y agoYou need git-review[1] to make Gerrit usage sane... [1] https://opendev.org/opendev/git-review https://opendev.org/opendev/git-review
- DoesntMatter22 3y agoGod man, Gerrit, I haven't heard that name in a looong time.
- yankput 3y agoYou don’t contribute to Google projects then.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y agoThe design is one of my favorite things about sourcehut. It's clean, to the point, and doesn't get in the way. (Of course, taste is subjective, so this is just me offering a different view, not saying you're "wrong".)
- judge2020 3y agoDoes Sourcehut still reject emails if there are both HTML and plaintext parts? Makes it tough to contribute without needing to set up a client that only sends plaintext email.
- Scarbutt 3y agoUsing plaintext is one click away while composing an email in most email/web clients I have tried.
- rhn_mk1 3y agoAnd then another click away when you want to go back to normal. Every time you do it. It's not a matter of clicking, it's a matter of having extra steps in an already diverging workflow.
- curtis3389 3y agoThis is probably unpopular, but I like these kinds of simple UI barriers to services I value. Also, this would certainly help with the Hacktoberfest problem. There are plenty of other code hosting services. If you can't use Sourcehut, it's not for you.
- mplewis 3y agoIf Sourcehut can’t interoperate with basic email, you’re right – it’s not for me.
- markstos 3y agoI moved my personal projects to Gitlab. Philosophical issues aside, it’s a great product. Also, having borderline burnout maintaining popular open source projects on GitHub, there is refreshingly near zero issues filed on my Gitlab projects. Fewer people already have accounts on Gitlab, creating a small barrier to participation, and sometimes that’s a good thing.
- scrozart 3y agoWhat philosophical issues do you have with Gitlab?
- markstos 3y agoSorry, I referring to the objections that people have raised with GitHub, not Gitlab.
- RandallBrown 3y agoI recently switched jobs to a company that uses GitLab after a long time of using GitHub and I really don't like it. It could just be my lack of familiarity, but it feels less polished and more clunky. Both work similarly enough it doesn't really matter that much to me.
- recfab 3y agoMy previous job used GitLab. I agree that it's less polished and more clunky, at least for the overlap of features it shares with GitHub. (Mostly code hosting and collaboration m.) I think where it shines is as a DevOps platform. I'm not sure I would say any of the features are best in class but there is value in centralizing them in one place. It takes a lot of investment to get that value though.
- snowstormsun 3y agoDoes GitHub use code from private repos for AI training?
- Dwedit 3y ago"Human Eyes will never see the contents of your private repositories" I think that's pretty clear then.
- JohnFen 3y agoThat doesn't sound so clear. If the code is used to train AI, there's a nonzero chance that human eyes will see it. But if they're not going to use the code to train AI, then why not just say so?
- lionkor 3y agoAI might see it, and then AI might replicate the same code, at which point they consider it "not your code"
- snowstormsun 3y agoOh yeah, that says it all. See also: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36444839 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36444839
- prosim 3y agoYour private code is not used for any user other than you: https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-cloud@latest/copilot/overview-of-github-copilot/about-github-copilot-for-individuals#will-my-private-code-be-shared-with-other-users https://docs.github.com/en/enterprise-cloud@latest/copilot/o...
- snowstormsun 3y agoThanks, but this reference doesn't exactly answer the original question. > Will my private code be shared with other users? > No. We follow responsible practices in accordance with our Privacy Statement to ensure that your code snippets will not be used as suggested code for other users of GitHub Copilot. That just says they prevent snippets from being "suggested" to users of copilot, but not that snippets (from private repos) are not used to train copilot. It could also be they use private repos for training, but have some mechanism to make sure the output for the user is not too close to the original private code. Limiting the scope to "suggested code" here bypasses any information about if it's used for training or not.
- calderwoodra 3y agoIf anyone is interested in building a competitor to GitHub based on mercurial, please reach out. Email in bio.
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- mattip 3y agoThere is heptaood, https://heptapod.net/ https://heptapod.net/, a friendly fork of gitlab that supports mercurial. PyPy and others are using the free instance at https://foss.heptapod.net/public https://foss.heptapod.net/public
- mixmastamyk 3y agoBitbucket dropped support due to to few people using it. Might be better to be agnostic about client tools?
- calderwoodra 3y agoLack of support is exactly why a focus on mercurial is a good idea. It's a clear (and arguably superior) differentiator to all git based tools.
- mixmastamyk 3y agoI fought on that hill for a while.
- grzm 3y ago(2022)
- rambojohnson 3y ago[flagged]
- kzrdude 3y agoI accept that we all need to move off GitHub generally, I just haven't taken my projects off. (Because of microsoft ownership and general effects of being the hegemonic service, it will only serve its users' interests less and less.) The network effect is pretty great, so that makes github a good place where lots of stuff is happening for hobby and open source projects.
- steviedotboston 3y ago[flagged]
- dealuromanet 3y ago> As a GitHub user, I was always seeking green squares to try to make sure I had activity every day. This led me to change my workflow to generate more green squares, not for whatever is maximally effective. Having visible stars and followers also turns it into a sort of popularity contest. There's a dopamine hit when you get one of those, so it creates a strong reward function for attention-seeking behavior. > Another big reason is that Sourcehut is explicitly designed to not dispense dopamine. My brain's response to dopamine is widely exploited by our industry, which is why I'm not on any social media anymore. GitHub dispenses a lot of dopamine and it makes me change how I work to get those nice little green squares. Sourcehut rejects features that are only for dopamine hits without utility on their own, and is generally designed in a humane way that doesn't exploit human psychology. This makes my life tangibly better. This is enough to get me to switch as well. I did not know about Sourcehut but I will be checking them out today.
- Macha 3y agoFor OSS, Codeberg is also an option. It's based on Forgejo (a fork of Gitea) so it's much more traditional a forge in terms of contribution models than Sourcehut's email first model which can be off-putting for many.
- dealuromanet 3y agoThank you for the recommendation, my friend. I will check out Codeberg as well.
- arrowsmith 3y ago> GitHub dispenses a lot of dopamine and it makes me change how I work to get those nice little green squares. Yerwhat? This is not remotely my experience with GitHub at all. I never look at my green squares. In fact I rarely even look at anyone's profile page (why would I?) I use GitHub every day and it has never once occurred to me that anyone could think of GitHub as addictive/gamified or a "dopamine dispenser".
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- irrational 3y agoWhy does he keep calling GitHub a "forge"? Is calling a code repository a "forge" something common that I just haven't run across before?
- justin_oaks 3y agoIt is strange to me too. I would have gone with something like "Git host" or "code hosting service". The term "forge", when applied to something other than metalworking, still implies a place where things are made, molded, or altered. It doesn't seem fitting for a place where you store your source code and make it available for download.
- pottertheotter 3y agoI think it’s a 90’s/2000’s term (e.g. SourceForge) that is now archaic. See https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_(software) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forge_(software): “In FOSS development communities, a forge is a web-based collaborative software platform for both developing and sharing computer applications. The term forge refers to a common prefix or suffix adopted by various platforms created after the example of SourceForge. This usage of the word stems from the metalworking forge, used for shaping metal parts.”
- MattPalmer1086 3y agoFirst time I have ever heard that. Yes, of course I know SourceForge, but never heard the term forge being used generically, like, ever.
- leephillips 3y agoNeither have I. Probably because almost nobody uses the term that way. It’s just Wikipedia—in other words, just something somebody made up. There’s no citation.
- mikecoles 3y agoA forge is just a place where people go to bang out something useful or entertaining. It's not common, put the name comes up in dev contexts.
- pdimitar 3y agoThe point about CI is super strong; GitHub Actions almost made me quit being a programmer and I've been doing things professionally ever since Winter 2001. I don't think much of Drew DeVault -- whether I agree with him or not is not at all relevant to any decision of using his products IMO -- but I'll vote with all three hands for a better and more seamless CI! I was not aware of that aspect of SourceHut so now I'll seriously consider it.
- rhn_mk1 3y agoWhat's so bad about GitHub actions? Asking as someone who never used it (gitlab fulfills my needs).
- linkdd 3y agoImagine a programming language with the YAML syntax. You get modern CI/CD. Though, Gitlab CI is less powerful than Github Actions. With Gitlab CI, you can only have one pipeline per repository, and you have to play with conditional includes based on some CI variable to implement multiple pipelines. While with Github Actions, you can simply have multiple workflows, listening to different kind of events (webhook, issues/pull requests events, ...)
- gsliepen 3y agoI use GitHub, but only as a mirror for the repositories I have on infrastructure under my own control. It's still very easy for others to contribute, even to send pull requests via GitHub, while I merge them locally and push them to my primary and mirror repositories. GitHub detects that PRs are merged, even if you do not use their UI, which is very nice. Note that you can do this for more online services; you can have GitHub, GitLab, SourceHut and other sites all as mirrors for your self-hosted repositories. It's the best of all worlds in my opinion, and enlarges your pool of potential contributors. Of course, you have to avoid vendor lock-in that can happen if you rely too much on other services that GitHub provides, like the issue tracker, wiki, CI and so on.
- donmcronald 3y agoWhich side do you use as the primary? I use Gitea and push mirror to GitHub, but I’m not sure how that would work for collaboration. I only push to GitHub for projects that deploy to Cloudflare (via Pages). I’ve stubbornly struggled through self hosting all my stuff while everyone was saying it was a waste of time. There was a stretch where I was starting to believe it, but now I’m starting to feel more vindicated. It’s different for large companies, but I think smaller developers benefit from the control you get from self hosting everything possible.
- gsliepen 3y agoI use my own git servers as primary. Just a webserver serving the git directory read-only, and I push via SSH to it. You can slap a UI on top, from something simple like gitweb to whatever you want.
- bastardoperator 3y ago[flagged]
- wahnfrieden 3y agoWhy are you promoting "getting OSS into the hands of everyone" as a good thing, while denigrating OSS with the "SJW" pejorative? So fighting for change is only good when it's the current winners who did it, got it
- bastardoperator 3y agoTelling me you're pushing to a new remote isn't fighting, it's self-promotion under the guise of fighting. Learn the difference.
- linkdd 3y agoI wonder what will happen when all those OSS forges ran by non-profit organizations will crumble under the load. In the end, only for-profit businesses remain in the race, Gitlab, Github, Bitbucket, ...
- raspyberr 3y agoCrumble under the load of.... Storing text? That everyone has a local offline copy of everywhere?
- linkdd 3y agoText, images, all kinds of documents people use (maybe wrongly) Git for. But Github is storing billions of those documents in millions of repositories with millions of users, all using bandwidth, CPU, RAM, hard drives, and they trust them to not lose data, and be always available. Yes, your computer in your garage is not fit to handle that kind of traffic/load.
- raspyberr 3y agoYou think Microsoft did this "to put OSS into the hands of everyone"? I think it's despicable that so much OSS is on a Microsoft platform considering how hostile Microsoft was towards OSS.
- smazga 3y agoI'll be honest, having lots of stuff in github is convenient for looking for projects. Like, I need something that does X, and search engines offer the same results for pages and pages. Searching github directly is a lot easier. Is there a way to search multiple public repos at once? Github, gitlab, sourcehut, codeberg, etc
- lfkdev 3y agoI know everyone is upset about copilot. But in all honesty, copilot is awesome. I use it everyday and it takes so much pain out of my work. Theres no other tool like it, i tried them all.
- alwaysbeconsing 3y agoThat's fine, but saying this doesn't engage with the problems that have been raised at all. It's like saying "but it's the most delicious thing I've ever eaten" in response to someone telling you a double-bacon cheeseburger with extra sauce is bad for your heart.
- linkdd 3y ago> a double-bacon cheeseburger with extra sauce is bad for your heart. What about my home-made cheeseburger with real cheese (not american cheddar), a 180g steak of locally sourced beef meat, pickle, tomato, salad, onions, all fresh and locally sourced, and some tasty mustard? Is it still bad for my heart? Because that's what Github taste to me, I'm a sucker for having everything in one place, with such polish. The only thing I don't quite like would be Github Actions, but that's because I hate that YAML became a programming language (all modern CI/CD platforms are guilty of this monstrosity). When a CI/CD with a Typescript API? I tried to start working on that, but it's too much for me alone.
- winddude 3y agoHonestly, it's probably a better idea to keep the repo synced in multiple places, not including local/dev
- leephillips 3y agoI agree about avoiding Github. But she seems to take it for granted that one must then find an alternative “forge”. Git makes it easy to host your repositories on your own website. It’s decentralized by design. One doesn’t need a central organization or website.
- natch 3y agoOn the ChatGPT / Copilot angle of this story: I have unique code on github that solves a problem I have never seen solved anywhere else. I have searched extensively for other implementations and have not found any. As far as I can determine mine is the only one out there, at least on the searchable internet. I asked ChatGPT to write code to solve the same problem. Guess what happened. If you think you know the answer, welcome to the smug feeling of confirmation bias. ChatGPT created entirely novel code that solved the problem. I have to say I was impressed. It’s just an anecdote, but to me it made an impression. I think the worries are overblown.
- zmnd 3y agoMind to share the problem?
- bradwood 3y agoWell. These people don't even know that a request to merge code to the trunk is called a "merge request" not a fucking "pull request"
- tpoacher 3y agoI had a similar thought as OP, except I didnt just "move" the repos and delete on github. Instead, the github mirrors now contain informative readmes with a helpful link to the sourcehut repos. Why? Because unfortunately github is still considered as some sort of industry standard, and this is important for discoverability, voting/favouriting (stars) etc. It also allows someone to star the project on github to show their support.
- LargeDiggerNick 3y agoI dislike the new Github UI. I don't care about a timeline. I want to go directly to my repos.