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It took me here https://greem.co.uk/otherbits/jelly.html https://greem.co.uk/otherbits/jelly.html Nailing jelly to a wall: is it possible? Which I think is HN w

by rwky 3y ago

It took me here https://greem.co.uk/otherbits/jelly.html https://greem.co.uk/otherbits/jelly.html Nailing jelly to a wall: is it possible? Which I think is HN worthy in its own right. Also the author of that page and I have the same toaster.

effingwewt 3y ago
Once the question was posed I had to know! This whole thread ia brilliant, I do miss the old web.
- mulmen 3y ago
  The “old web” is still there, as evidenced by this page and the submission. We didn’t lose anything. New things just came and made more noise. You can still set up a static HTML site in an afternoon.
ethbr0 3y ago
> I conducted this experiment as a little diversion in the lazy few weeks between finishing my final year exams at university and graduating, back in June 2005. Everything about that page screamed "I'm bored in a dorm." Nice to know my college-dar is still accurate. Also, it would have been nice to test with flat masonry nails. I.e. not round shank.
SeanAnderson 3y ago
> Further research into the area might involve the nailing to the wall of a stronger jelly mix. Alternatively, the "wall" could be placed, nails first, into the jelly while it's setting, to allow the jelly to set around the nails. Then in the morning the bowl can be removed, leaving the jelly nailed to the wall. Ahaha, but also, hmmm... thinking would it actually work if you allowed the jelly to set around the nails?
- data-ottawa 3y ago
  If you read further some commenters tried that and failed, along with setting straws into the jelly and nailing them and mixing solids into the jelly to improve the structural integrity. The results are only noted as mixed, so I assume they didn’t work out reliably. I definitely have a few ideas: try smoother and surfaces to adhere to (does jelly suction to the surface?), set the jelly vertically in a box against the wall, try mixing cool whip into the jelly to thicken it…
remkop22 3y ago
Lovely. > This page is copyright 2005 by Graeme Cole. What are you allowed to do with it? Pfft. Anything within the realms of common sense, really. I don't want to prescribe rigidly what people can and can't do with it, so I've decided on a benchmark. It's this: you're allowed to do with this page anything you wouldn't mind me doing with your cat. So yes, you can photoshop it for comedy effect, you can copy bits of it for illustrative purposes and so on, but you can't steal it and pass it off as your own.
- drhagen 3y ago
  I was going to say the man invented CC-BY before there was CC-BY, but apparently, the first CC licenses came out in 2002.
  - catach 3y ago
    Pretty sure the value of the CC licenses isn't that they invented any particular set of restrictions and freedoms, but that they applied enough lawyer energy so that the wording of those sets would be compatible with law systems.
    - DakotaR 3y ago
      As opposed to 'crayon' licenses that make up their own terms and cause legal uncertainty
- swader999 3y ago
  CATPL license.
qingcharles 3y ago
Tell me more about this toaster. How well does it make bread go brown?
- rwky 3y ago
  You had to ask and apparently I have nothing to better to do on a Saturday night. It's a Russell Hobbs Model 5569, it says it has a "microchip" inside. If I was to hazard a guess it's at least 25 years old (the post is 18 so sounds reasonable). It actually fits a piece of toast, even thick pieces or crumpets which a lot of modern toasters don't. It does require the toast flipping since it does one side more than the other but that's not a hardship. A single flip on about "2" does a nice golden brown.
  - qingcharles 3y ago
    Toasters that cannot fit crumpets should be a violation of some aspect of the UN Charter on Human Rights. I used to also have that toaster with the "microchip." It sounded impressive at the time. Now I want to tear one open and see what sort of "microchip" it uses. A 555?
    - rruark 3y ago
      A cheap toaster these days will use a toaster ASIC rather than a general purpose microcontroller or timer. PT8A2514 [1] is one example. Another surprising type of ASICs I've come across are vape ASICS [2]. [1]: https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/PT8A2514A.pdf https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/PT8A2514A.pdf [2]: http://robruark.com/other/Teardowns/Vape_ASIC/vape_asic.html http://robruark.com/other/Teardowns/Vape_ASIC/vape_asic.html
      - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
        A toaster ASIC… Maybe that's what I could have done with Butterfly Labs[1] Jalapeno (sic, no ñ) devices I was given, all laser-etched with "WARRANTY VOID". They could only do SHA256(SHA256(x)), and man did they put out a lot of heat. Reportedly, the chip was unusually dense and took a long time to validate. I'd have needed to alter the thermal throttling behaviour in the firmware, I suppose. [1] Yes, the one that was seized be the FTC after some of the company officers (and a "not an officer, but functionally an officer") decided to do things that got most of them busted.
eshack94 3y ago
Focus DIY, one of the stores that the author states his materials were sourced from, has been defunct since July 2011. Just to add some context to when this experiment might have taken place. Edit: I see the page's copyright date is 2005, so it's probably safe to assume that's when the original experiment took place.
IshKebab 3y ago
I feel like I need a more comprehensive explanation of jelly/jam. So jam is the same in both countries? What is jelly in America then?
- ficklepickle 3y ago
  Wikipedia to the rescue! > jelly (from the French gelée)[29] is a clear or translucent fruit spread made by a process similar to that used for making jam, with the additional step of filtering out the fruit pulp after the initial cooking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_preserves#Jelly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_preserves#Jelly
  - Aeolun 3y ago
    That seems entirely counterproductive. Why remove the fruit from jam?
    - juvvel 3y ago
      Jelly is thickened juice, jam contains the pulp. Why? Different textures.
    - rrobukef 3y ago
      Berries with seeds are strained to remove the seeds. It tastes nice so we do it with everything else too.
- petepete 3y ago
  When making them we (UK) tend to use pectin as the thickening agent for jams/marmalades and gelatin for jelly. You can buy sugar with pectin added marketed as 'jam sugar'. Jam should be nowhere near as firm as jelly.
- hnick 3y ago
  And does agar based jelly count, or just gelatine?
- lIl-IIIl 3y ago
itsmartapuntocm 3y ago
Looks like they noticed: > 15th July 2023: Fix link rot > The fact that this page is now old enough to vote hasn't stopped the internet rediscovering it. Much as I would like keep everything preserved exactly as it was as an example of the older, simpler web, some of the links above had become dead or worse, so they've been removed. > For those asking about the toaster: as I recall, it was better at toasting the middle and bottom of the bread than the top.
ryzvonusef 3y ago
This is the best thing I have seen in a long time.

by rwky 3y ago

effingwewt 3y ago

Once the question was posed I had to know! This whole thread ia brilliant, I do miss the old web.

mulmen 3y ago
The “old web” is still there, as evidenced by this page and the submission. We didn’t lose anything. New things just came and made more noise. You can still set up a static HTML site in an afternoon.

ethbr0 3y ago

> I conducted this experiment as a little diversion in the lazy few weeks between finishing my final year exams at university and graduating, back in June 2005. Everything about that page screamed "I'm bored in a dorm." Nice to know my college-dar is still accurate. Also, it would have been nice to test with flat masonry nails. I.e. not round shank.

SeanAnderson 3y ago

> Further research into the area might involve the nailing to the wall of a stronger jelly mix. Alternatively, the "wall" could be placed, nails first, into the jelly while it's setting, to allow the jelly to set around the nails. Then in the morning the bowl can be removed, leaving the jelly nailed to the wall. Ahaha, but also, hmmm... thinking would it actually work if you allowed the jelly to set around the nails?

data-ottawa 3y ago
If you read further some commenters tried that and failed, along with setting straws into the jelly and nailing them and mixing solids into the jelly to improve the structural integrity. The results are only noted as mixed, so I assume they didn’t work out reliably. I definitely have a few ideas: try smoother and surfaces to adhere to (does jelly suction to the surface?), set the jelly vertically in a box against the wall, try mixing cool whip into the jelly to thicken it…

remkop22 3y ago

Lovely. > This page is copyright 2005 by Graeme Cole. What are you allowed to do with it? Pfft. Anything within the realms of common sense, really. I don't want to prescribe rigidly what people can and can't do with it, so I've decided on a benchmark. It's this: you're allowed to do with this page anything you wouldn't mind me doing with your cat. So yes, you can photoshop it for comedy effect, you can copy bits of it for illustrative purposes and so on, but you can't steal it and pass it off as your own.

drhagen 3y ago
I was going to say the man invented CC-BY before there was CC-BY, but apparently, the first CC licenses came out in 2002.
- catach 3y ago
  Pretty sure the value of the CC licenses isn't that they invented any particular set of restrictions and freedoms, but that they applied enough lawyer energy so that the wording of those sets would be compatible with law systems.
  - DakotaR 3y ago
    As opposed to 'crayon' licenses that make up their own terms and cause legal uncertainty
swader999 3y ago
CATPL license.

qingcharles 3y ago

Tell me more about this toaster. How well does it make bread go brown?

rwky 3y ago
You had to ask and apparently I have nothing to better to do on a Saturday night. It's a Russell Hobbs Model 5569, it says it has a "microchip" inside. If I was to hazard a guess it's at least 25 years old (the post is 18 so sounds reasonable). It actually fits a piece of toast, even thick pieces or crumpets which a lot of modern toasters don't. It does require the toast flipping since it does one side more than the other but that's not a hardship. A single flip on about "2" does a nice golden brown.
- qingcharles 3y ago
  Toasters that cannot fit crumpets should be a violation of some aspect of the UN Charter on Human Rights. I used to also have that toaster with the "microchip." It sounded impressive at the time. Now I want to tear one open and see what sort of "microchip" it uses. A 555?
  - rruark 3y ago
    A cheap toaster these days will use a toaster ASIC rather than a general purpose microcontroller or timer. PT8A2514 [1] is one example. Another surprising type of ASICs I've come across are vape ASICS [2]. [1]: https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/PT8A2514A.pdf https://www.diodes.com/assets/Datasheets/PT8A2514A.pdf [2]: http://robruark.com/other/Teardowns/Vape_ASIC/vape_asic.html http://robruark.com/other/Teardowns/Vape_ASIC/vape_asic.html
    - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
      A toaster ASIC… Maybe that's what I could have done with Butterfly Labs[1] Jalapeno (sic, no ñ) devices I was given, all laser-etched with "WARRANTY VOID". They could only do SHA256(SHA256(x)), and man did they put out a lot of heat. Reportedly, the chip was unusually dense and took a long time to validate. I'd have needed to alter the thermal throttling behaviour in the firmware, I suppose. [1] Yes, the one that was seized be the FTC after some of the company officers (and a "not an officer, but functionally an officer") decided to do things that got most of them busted.

eshack94 3y ago

Focus DIY, one of the stores that the author states his materials were sourced from, has been defunct since July 2011. Just to add some context to when this experiment might have taken place. Edit: I see the page's copyright date is 2005, so it's probably safe to assume that's when the original experiment took place.

IshKebab 3y ago

I feel like I need a more comprehensive explanation of jelly/jam. So jam is the same in both countries? What is jelly in America then?

ficklepickle 3y ago
Wikipedia to the rescue! > jelly (from the French gelée)[29] is a clear or translucent fruit spread made by a process similar to that used for making jam, with the additional step of filtering out the fruit pulp after the initial cooking. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_preserves#Jelly https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fruit_preserves#Jelly
- Aeolun 3y ago
  That seems entirely counterproductive. Why remove the fruit from jam?
  - juvvel 3y ago
    Jelly is thickened juice, jam contains the pulp. Why? Different textures.
  - rrobukef 3y ago
    Berries with seeds are strained to remove the seeds. It tastes nice so we do it with everything else too.
petepete 3y ago
When making them we (UK) tend to use pectin as the thickening agent for jams/marmalades and gelatin for jelly. You can buy sugar with pectin added marketed as 'jam sugar'. Jam should be nowhere near as firm as jelly.
hnick 3y ago
And does agar based jelly count, or just gelatine?
lIl-IIIl 3y ago

itsmartapuntocm 3y ago

Looks like they noticed: > 15th July 2023: Fix link rot > The fact that this page is now old enough to vote hasn't stopped the internet rediscovering it. Much as I would like keep everything preserved exactly as it was as an example of the older, simpler web, some of the links above had become dead or worse, so they've been removed. > For those asking about the toaster: as I recall, it was better at toasting the middle and bottom of the bread than the top.

ryzvonusef 3y ago

This is the best thing I have seen in a long time.