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Data appears to be freely available here: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-collision-reports/#:~:t

Data appears to be freely available here: https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/autonomous-vehicles/autonomous-vehicle-collision-reports/#:~:text=As%20of%20June%2027%2C%202023,and%20are%20available%20upon%20request https://www.dmv.ca.gov/portal/vehicle-industry-services/auto.... I reviewed a couple dozen incidents and in every case human drivers are to blame. The most extreme example of this was an incident in which a manually operated vehicle repeatedly rear-ended an autonomous vehicle out of spite, then followed it back to the dispatch lot and made a variety of verbal threats.

wdabney 3y ago
So many of these are human drivers at fault doing a hit-and-run. I did see a couple where the AV was at fault, and one poor unfortunate doggo.
oblio 3y ago
Self driving cars will share roads with regular cars for possibly decades.
- sagarm 3y ago
  Human driven cars have been "sharing" space with pedestrians and cyclists with gory results. AVs mildly annoy human drivers, but are much better behaved. In fact they annoy drivers BECAUSE they are much better behaved.
  - oblio 3y ago
    > Human driven cars have been "sharing" space with pedestrians and cyclists with gory results. That's why in places with good infrastructure, the infrastructure is separated. Pedestrians are on tall sidewalks with few ingress points for cars (unlike in the US where every corner has a lowered curb for 20m just in case some random truck needs to go on the sidewalk??). Sidewalks are on streets with traffic calming, frequently separated from the actual road by a nice hedge or trees or a patch of grass. Bike lanes are completely separated from roads and intersections are also traffic calmed (no slip lanes, roundabouts, multiple lanes separated so that the intersection doesn't require crossing 6-8 dangerous lanes at once). Etc, etc. Do you think it's realistic to maintain 2 sets of road infra for cars (human vs AI)? We can barely maintain 1 set and it's already forcing many places into deeper and deeper debt or even bankruptcy.
    - sagarm 3y ago
      Corners have ramps for wheelchair accessibility. I'm not sure where you live, but we don't have any separate infrastructure here. It's all car infrastructure, and cars suck at sharing. Let them share with road users they can't bully for once.
      - oblio 3y ago
        > Corners have ramps for wheelchair accessibility. Yes, but they don't need 20m of lowered curbs. I'm from Europe and you just need a small 2m corridor to each direction. Otherwise what's the point of the curb if there is no curb for so long in a dangerous spot such as an intersection? :-(
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amelius 3y ago
So the autonomous vehicle pissed off some human driver, not a good sign either.
- xp84 3y ago
  I think creating anything that doesn’t have the potential to anger American drivers is a ridiculously high bar. People have literally shot other drivers for the most insane “reasons.” Tbh this seems like the opposite argument I think you’re making. Humans (on average) are not really competent to be in command of a large deadly machine and road rage just proves my point.

wdabney 3y ago

So many of these are human drivers at fault doing a hit-and-run. I did see a couple where the AV was at fault, and one poor unfortunate doggo.

oblio 3y ago

Self driving cars will share roads with regular cars for possibly decades.

sagarm 3y ago
Human driven cars have been "sharing" space with pedestrians and cyclists with gory results. AVs mildly annoy human drivers, but are much better behaved. In fact they annoy drivers BECAUSE they are much better behaved.
- oblio 3y ago
  > Human driven cars have been "sharing" space with pedestrians and cyclists with gory results. That's why in places with good infrastructure, the infrastructure is separated. Pedestrians are on tall sidewalks with few ingress points for cars (unlike in the US where every corner has a lowered curb for 20m just in case some random truck needs to go on the sidewalk??). Sidewalks are on streets with traffic calming, frequently separated from the actual road by a nice hedge or trees or a patch of grass. Bike lanes are completely separated from roads and intersections are also traffic calmed (no slip lanes, roundabouts, multiple lanes separated so that the intersection doesn't require crossing 6-8 dangerous lanes at once). Etc, etc. Do you think it's realistic to maintain 2 sets of road infra for cars (human vs AI)? We can barely maintain 1 set and it's already forcing many places into deeper and deeper debt or even bankruptcy.
  - sagarm 3y ago
    Corners have ramps for wheelchair accessibility. I'm not sure where you live, but we don't have any separate infrastructure here. It's all car infrastructure, and cars suck at sharing. Let them share with road users they can't bully for once.
    - oblio 3y ago
      > Corners have ramps for wheelchair accessibility. Yes, but they don't need 20m of lowered curbs. I'm from Europe and you just need a small 2m corridor to each direction. Otherwise what's the point of the curb if there is no curb for so long in a dangerous spot such as an intersection? :-(
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amelius 3y ago

So the autonomous vehicle pissed off some human driver, not a good sign either.

xp84 3y ago
I think creating anything that doesn’t have the potential to anger American drivers is a ridiculously high bar. People have literally shot other drivers for the most insane “reasons.” Tbh this seems like the opposite argument I think you’re making. Humans (on average) are not really competent to be in command of a large deadly machine and road rage just proves my point.