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You should probably just use to Debian/Ubuntu or something if you're starting fresh. The future is unclear for the RHEL/CentOS clones

by iruoy 3y ago

m463 3y ago
Ubuntu still has some problems. lots of (almost) uninstallable packages that auto-install updates, advertise (motd) and phone home.
unethical_ban 3y ago
Why is SUSE so seldom talked about? I don't know much about the distro except it has been around a long time, has professional support, supposedly is popular in Europe, and isn't it an RPM distro? Is there any downside to its fully free spins?
- leetnewb 3y ago
  I can't speak for SUSE's corporate use, but I use opensuse on my laptop, server, router, and vps. Very nice distribution. That's not to say that there aren't sources/moments of friction and/or concern between the corporate and community, but it comes with the territory I guess.
- norgie 3y ago
  I use OpenSUSE a lot for both desktop and servers, and it’s great. The biggest downside though is that it probably has the least friendly and helpful community of any Linux or BSD distro I’ve ever used. Questions on their forums are frequently met with hostility and derision, mostly from one particularly active user
  - agracey 3y ago
    Would you please report that user (if you haven’t already) to the OpenSUSE moderators? This is very much not the community we are trying to build!
  - allarm 3y ago
    Out of curiosity I went and checked these forums, and man. It's a weird place. So much rant.
rhaway84773 3y ago
Ah yes, you’re worried about open source so you should use Ubuntu, the distro that is pushing Snaps, the most open source unfriendly solution in probably the most open source part of the entire Linux ecosystem.
lockhouse 3y ago
For the clones, maybe, but I think RHEL will be just fine. Nothing has really changed for the companies that pay for RHEL. They do so for a good reason.
- fatfingerd 3y ago
  I think RHEL got to where it is by being a good choice for students that was similar to the most relevant UNIXes. More total users with UNIX like experience should have been good for the UNIXes but I wouldn't consider any of them healthy.
  - edgyquant 3y ago
    RHEL wasn’t free for students until just a few years ago iirc. So don’t think this is the case.
    - fatfingerd 3y ago
      Giving Universities labs of RHEL was a way to get more Intel based machines in and therefore undergrad students used Fedora.. Research students would end up with RHEL where I went based on costs to their department. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux#History
  - JohnFen 3y ago
    It's those sorts of users who should use Debian instead.
tmottabr 3y ago
Debian does not work as a replacement for RHEL for enterprises.. Only Ubuntu LTS is an option but it is not as good.. First because enterprises need a company behind offering support contract. But more important, many enterprises are slow moving and unfortunately Debian lifecycle is not long enough for enterprises because of that.. I have at least one customer that migrated from RHEL 6 into newer versions last year, RHEL 6 was released on 2011, regular support ended on 2021 and extended support goes until next year. So it is currently still supported under their extended support. The Debian version from 2011 was Debian 6 (Squeeze) that had an end of life in 2015, and long term support ended on 2016, it did not had extended LTS. Just on the lifecycle of RHEL 6 Debian released versions 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and with exception of the last two, 11 and 12, all other versions already reached end of life, additionally version 6 to 9 reached end of LTS, and version 7 reached end of ELTS, older versions did not had ELTS as far i could find. Is is also worth noting that Debian LTS and ELTS are not handled by Debian security team, so anything after end of life would be a solid no from most enterprises. Even Ubuntu is behind RedHat in this aspect, the oldest Ubuntu LTS release still supported by next year, when extended support for RHEL 6 will end, is Ubuntu 14.04 from 2014. Both Ubuntu 10.04 from 2010 and Ubuntu 12.04 from 2012, that is the last LTS release on or before 2011 and the following release, already reached end of life and support before RHEL 6 extended support ended. [0] - https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases [1] - https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle
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- tw04 3y ago
  > First because enterprises need a company behind offering support contract. That's quite literally why Ubuntu exists… forked Debian with enterprise support. https://ubuntu.com/support https://ubuntu.com/support
- alsobrsp 3y ago
  > First because enterprises need a company behind offering support contract. I used to think this too, but it is not as big a deal as you may think. I have supported linux in the enterprise since the late 90's. The only place that ever bought support was an Oracle shop and we had 5 support licenses for our production OEL severs. My current company is 100% CentOS and has never had support. I was not there when the choice was made or I would have pushed Debian. Some of my colleagues came from an all Debian shop.

You should probably just use to Debian/Ubuntu or something if you're starting fresh. The future is unclear for the RHEL/CentOS clones

by iruoy 3y ago

You should probably just use to Debian/Ubuntu or something if you're starting fresh. The future is unclear for the RHEL/CentOS clones

m463 3y ago

Ubuntu still has some problems. lots of (almost) uninstallable packages that auto-install updates, advertise (motd) and phone home.

unethical_ban 3y ago

Why is SUSE so seldom talked about? I don't know much about the distro except it has been around a long time, has professional support, supposedly is popular in Europe, and isn't it an RPM distro? Is there any downside to its fully free spins?

leetnewb 3y ago
I can't speak for SUSE's corporate use, but I use opensuse on my laptop, server, router, and vps. Very nice distribution. That's not to say that there aren't sources/moments of friction and/or concern between the corporate and community, but it comes with the territory I guess.
norgie 3y ago
I use OpenSUSE a lot for both desktop and servers, and it’s great. The biggest downside though is that it probably has the least friendly and helpful community of any Linux or BSD distro I’ve ever used. Questions on their forums are frequently met with hostility and derision, mostly from one particularly active user
- agracey 3y ago
  Would you please report that user (if you haven’t already) to the OpenSUSE moderators? This is very much not the community we are trying to build!
- allarm 3y ago
  Out of curiosity I went and checked these forums, and man. It's a weird place. So much rant.

rhaway84773 3y ago

Ah yes, you’re worried about open source so you should use Ubuntu, the distro that is pushing Snaps, the most open source unfriendly solution in probably the most open source part of the entire Linux ecosystem.

lockhouse 3y ago

For the clones, maybe, but I think RHEL will be just fine. Nothing has really changed for the companies that pay for RHEL. They do so for a good reason.

fatfingerd 3y ago
I think RHEL got to where it is by being a good choice for students that was similar to the most relevant UNIXes. More total users with UNIX like experience should have been good for the UNIXes but I wouldn't consider any of them healthy.
- edgyquant 3y ago
  RHEL wasn’t free for students until just a few years ago iirc. So don’t think this is the case.
  - fatfingerd 3y ago
    Giving Universities labs of RHEL was a way to get more Intel based machines in and therefore undergrad students used Fedora.. Research students would end up with RHEL where I went based on costs to their department. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux#History
- JohnFen 3y ago
  It's those sorts of users who should use Debian instead.

tmottabr 3y ago

Debian does not work as a replacement for RHEL for enterprises.. Only Ubuntu LTS is an option but it is not as good.. First because enterprises need a company behind offering support contract. But more important, many enterprises are slow moving and unfortunately Debian lifecycle is not long enough for enterprises because of that.. I have at least one customer that migrated from RHEL 6 into newer versions last year, RHEL 6 was released on 2011, regular support ended on 2021 and extended support goes until next year. So it is currently still supported under their extended support. The Debian version from 2011 was Debian 6 (Squeeze) that had an end of life in 2015, and long term support ended on 2016, it did not had extended LTS. Just on the lifecycle of RHEL 6 Debian released versions 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 and 12 and with exception of the last two, 11 and 12, all other versions already reached end of life, additionally version 6 to 9 reached end of LTS, and version 7 reached end of ELTS, older versions did not had ELTS as far i could find. Is is also worth noting that Debian LTS and ELTS are not handled by Debian security team, so anything after end of life would be a solid no from most enterprises. Even Ubuntu is behind RedHat in this aspect, the oldest Ubuntu LTS release still supported by next year, when extended support for RHEL 6 will end, is Ubuntu 14.04 from 2014. Both Ubuntu 10.04 from 2010 and Ubuntu 12.04 from 2012, that is the last LTS release on or before 2011 and the following release, already reached end of life and support before RHEL 6 extended support ended. [0] - https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases https://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases [1] - https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle https://ubuntu.com/about/release-cycle

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tw04 3y ago
> First because enterprises need a company behind offering support contract. That's quite literally why Ubuntu exists… forked Debian with enterprise support. https://ubuntu.com/support https://ubuntu.com/support
alsobrsp 3y ago
> First because enterprises need a company behind offering support contract. I used to think this too, but it is not as big a deal as you may think. I have supported linux in the enterprise since the late 90's. The only place that ever bought support was an Oracle shop and we had 5 support licenses for our production OEL severs. My current company is 100% CentOS and has never had support. I was not there when the choice was made or I would have pushed Debian. Some of my colleagues came from an all Debian shop.