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Twitter is threatening to sue Meta over Threads [pdf]
- agnosticmantis 3y agoSee also: https://www.semafor.com/article/07/06/2023/twitter-is-threatening-to-sue-meta-over-threads https://www.semafor.com/article/07/06/2023/twitter-is-threat...
- PartiallyTyped 3y agoIANAL > Spiro accused Meta of hiring dozens of former Twitter employees who “had and continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets and other highly confidential information.” > He also alleged that Meta assigned those employees to develop “Meta’s copycat ‘Threads’ app with the specific intent that they use Twitter’s trade secrets and other intellectual property in order to accelerate the development of Meta’s competing app, in violation of both state and federal law as well as those employees’ ongoing obligations to Twitter.” Isn’t the burden here on Twitter enormous? And given META’s size, a discovery would be enormous and require serious legal effort and money on Elon’s behalf, legal effort that would be better appropriated in dealing with legal issues in EU?
- ethanbond 3y agoI wouldn’t be surprised if part of Zuck’s goal with the Spider-Man meme was to prod Elon directly into this lawsuit which will surely go nowhere, cost pocket change to Meta, and push Twitter that much closer to bankruptcy. I don’t care much for either of these guys but you gotta love seeing a guy’s own toxic personality traits used against him. Looks like Zuck’s jiu jitsu training is paying off after all!
- hooverd 3y agoWhen is the Elon/Zucc fight happening, anyways?
- swozey 3y agoIt's not. Musks mother and father showed their displeasure in the idea and now he won't do it. No, I'm not being facetious. https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/elon-musk-mother-cancel-cage-fight-mark-zuckerberg-18177734.php https://www.sfchronicle.com/bayarea/article/elon-musk-mother...
- JohnFen 3y agoThat's not what the article you linked to says. It says > Despite the concerns raised by Elon’s parents, plans to hold the fight at the Vegas Octagon are moving forward.
- swozey 3y agoWow you're right. I somehow skipped right over that. I even read it again to make sure I had the context right. I wasn't sure if his mom had literally said "don't do that!" or just inferred it in a tweet like she actually did ("I can't like this").. Thanks
- JohnFen 3y agoRight now in a lawsuit, apparently! I think that the Elon/Zucc fight thing makes them both look ridiculous and childish and I've been enjoying that aspect of it (it doesn't matter even a little who wins, they both lose). This lawsuit strikes me the same way.
- sangnoir 3y agoI'm looking forward to one (or both) getting - in order of preference: a black eye, knocked out teeth, KO'd, loss consciousness and/or loss of bowel control. The hero-worshipping of billionaires is harmful IMO, having that rolled back a little will do us all some good. Besides, seeing any billionaire hit so hard he shits himself live is great TV.
- bandyaboot 3y ago
- nacs 3y agoAt the rate that Musk is destroying Twitter, all Meta has to do is drag the court case out a year or 2 and Twitter won't exist to see the end of it.
- eatonphil 3y agoSpecifically, Meta's response in the Semafor piece: > “No one on the Threads engineering team is a former Twitter employee — that’s just not a thing,” the source said.
- AnotherGoodName 3y agoThat's a pretty rock solid and straightforward defence. Unsurprising too since Meta has had well a publicized hiring freeze since early last year.
- echelon 3y agoOh good grief. This is fair game, Mr. Musk. Scaling aside, Twitter is as simple an application as you could imagine.
- lima 3y agoThe product is (deceptively) simple but the sheer scale makes it a very complex system.
- justapassenger 3y agoOne could imagine, that Instagram, on which they based it on and apparently reused most of the backend dealt with some of those problems before. And I've heard that Meta had some other social networks that scaled in the past.
- FireBeyond 3y ago... because Meta's engineers know nothing about scale and are relying on Twitter's ex-engineers to help out?
- notahacker 3y agoI think the important bit is that it's relatively hard to argue that "how to scale up message passing infrastructure and process metadata like hashtags" is a Twitter trade secret rather than a general tech skillset useful across FAANG companies. I suspect Meta's implementation will be quite different from Twitter's under the hood, and rely quite a lot on Meta tech platforms. If Meta was incubating a rocket ship division, it might be a little bit easier to demonstrate that former SpaceX employees were making non-obvious design choices based on SpaceX research and undisclosed features of SpaceX tech Probably won't help that a lot of the more Twitter-specific knowledge around content recommendations and warning algorithms and scaling up moderation processes is stuff Elon's spent his time trashing Twitter's original implementations of anyway...
- nacs 3y agoScale isn't an issue for Meta. While Bluesky has been having problems with their (invite-only) spike in signups from Twitter refugees, Threads has been chugging along with no issue. Also, Zuckerberg made a post saying they got something like 5 million "signups" within the first few hours of launch.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoDupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620536
- theptip 3y agoIf you can’t innovate, litigate.
- perlgeek 3y agoBig accusations, little evidence presented so far.
- dodgson 3y agoCan’t deny a bunch of people who used to work for Twitter now work for Meta, though! I wonder why…
- badwolf 3y agohttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0YH3xBaQAAjs3L?format=jpg&name=large https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F0YH3xBaQAAjs3L?format=jpg&name=...
- 0cf8612b2e1e 3y agoBig company hires people with experience. Some of them have worked in similar industries. Or are we all in favor of non-competes now?
- notwhereyouare 3y agobecause they got fired from twitter and got a new job?
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoDiscovery hasn’t started yet.
- dingosity 3y agoI don't think the law suit has started yet.
- NotYourLawyer 3y agoYes, that’s my point.
- ncallaway 3y agoMaybe the facts will bear out that there’s a case here, but my default position is one of skepticism. I guess one takeaway for me is if you don’t want your competitor to hire a bunch of your former employees, don’t make a bunch of your employees former employees.
- sergiotapia 3y ago[flagged]
- makestuff 3y agoDidn't Twitter open source a large portion of the code base? Seems like that isn't going to help their case.
- nicolas_17 3y agoNo, I would definitely not call that a "large portion".
- smolder 3y agoIt also doesn't help that the basic functionality of Twitter can be duplicated in a weekend by a junior dev, and has been many times. What novel idea can be stolen from Twitter? Everyone already lifted the hashtag idea ~15 years ago.
- mrguyorama 3y agoNah, they released a bunch of the piping that goes around an ML model, but that's very boilerplate stuff to anyone with python data science experience. It's like if you made calculators and "open sourced" one by releasing the code that reads keypresses and does CPU scheduling. Like yeah, those are things a calculator does but not only is it code everyone else in the business could expect to write themselves in a couple sprints but it's also exactly NOT the magic sauce.
- ksaj 3y agoI don't know the specifics, but the license included with that code will specify what can and can't be done with it. ~~Not all open source is free to use in your own code base. Sometimes it is open sourced for review purposes.~~ Edited: the last line is incorrect.
- whateverman23 3y agoIt's clearly a text-forward port of Instagram. Using any Twitter "trade secrets" would probably be counterproductive. So unless Twitter is claiming that Instagram stole trade secrets (ha), this seems like desperate litigating.
- denotational 3y ago> Twitter knows that these employees previously worked at Twitter; that these employees had and continue to have access to Twitter’s trade secrets [...] This sentence is clearly trying to establish liability by accusing Meta of wilful infringement of Twitter’s rights (i.e. it acted in full knowledge of these fact, even though they may lead to violation of the employees’ restrictive covenants, etc.), as evidenced by the context and indeed the rest of the letter. As such, the first instance of “Twitter” is surely a mistake; shouldn’t it say “Meta”? This would make sense given the next sentence (“With that knowledge, Meta [...]”). As this is supposedly from such a large law firm, I’m amazed a mistake like this could slip through; it completely changes the meaning of the entire sentence, even if the intent is recoverable from context. Does no one proofread Letters before Action? Am I misreading it? Is this fake?
- codetrotter 3y agoDoesn’t have to be a mistake. Twitter knows that people who used to work for Twitter now work for Meta. Seems perfectly fine to me.
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- denotational 3y agoMaybe, but in that case the writer should just state it as a fact rather that saying that their client knows something. Whether Twitter knows that employees previously worked for Twitter (etc.) should not have any bearing on Meta’s liability; whether Meta knew this or not absolutely has an impact on liability. The fact that the next sentence refers to Meta’s knowledge of the the facts in the preceding sentence seems to justify my reading.
- medler 3y agoThe next sentence is “With that knowledge, Meta deliberately assigned these employees to develop, in a matter of months, Meta’s copycat Threads app.” This sentence doesn’t follow logically unless it was Meta who had the knowledge in the previous sentence.
- paul7986 3y agoMusk is such an idiot ... i was excited for him to buy Twitter and hopefully provide more of a balance of opinions but its all about him. He's like Trump .. a narcissitic ego maniac and suing FB for launching a Twitter competitor is more proof that he's just like Trump ... a whiney ego maniac sue happy multi-billionaire.
- sureglymop 3y agoI mean if you dig it up, the guys controversies and shenanigans go back decades and most of it is preserved online. The Twitter purchase wasn't anything other than a blunder either. When he realised what he got himself into he wanted to nope out of it but this time that didn't work. Going back and seeing how badly he wanted to be a "co-founder" of Tesla even though he wasn't tells you all about his ego.
- clowd 3y agoThere's no indication that Trump is a multi-billionaire but the rest of your comment is spot on.
- ajorgensen 3y ago[flagged]
- upon_drumhead 3y agoThere’s zero seeded content in threads and it would be stupid of meta to do so. They just needed to pay some influencers to get higher quality content cheaper then scraping it all.
- ajorgensen 3y agoI disagree... follower graph would be pretty important to bootstrap a Twitter like experience. My follower graph on Twitter looks quite different than Instagram or Facebook. The letter also explicitly calls out follower graph and following data which is why I mention it.
- smoldesu 3y agoWhat use is a follower graph if it doesn't correlate to the accounts on your platform? They have pushed this claim without evidence and Meta has denied them outright. The onus is on Musk's team to produce proof now.
- ajorgensen 3y agoI'm not sure I follow. I'd estimate there's less than a 25% overlap between my Twitter social graph and my Meta (instagram + facebook) social graph. If I was going to build a system to recommend accounts to follow it sure would be handy to know what accounts you followed on the platform most related to the one I'm building. Again I have 0 evidence of anything as I've said and of course its on Musk's team to prove it but just thought the timing and specific wording chosen in the letter was interesting.
- upon_drumhead 3y agoI believe > What use is a follower graph if it doesn't correlate to the accounts on your platform? Is asking about the point of scraping your Twitter social graph if they can’t actually align it with accounts on the platform. If you follow foo bar on Twitter, it doesn’t mean that foo bar on threads is the same foo bar. The Twitter social graph is useless unless to try to map to meta accounts.
- globalise83 3y agoJust put the two in a cage and let's see who the worthiest contender really is...
- donmcronald 3y agoLmao. Zuckerberg would beat the ego out of Musk.
- dingosity 3y agoMy completely uninformed opinion is Zuck looks kinda ripped. Even though Musk is heavier and taller, I think Zuck could take him. But Newsweek, that bastion of factual reporting on objective reality, says London bookies are giving Musk better odds: https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-cage-fight-odds-1808660 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-mark-zuckerberg-cage-figh...
- dingosity 3y agoIs it too late to get Bill Gates or the reanimated corpse of Steve Jobs to enter the fray?
- nicolashahn 3y agoMusk has like 6 inches and 60lbs on Zuck
- jkmcf 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFR030IfE2o https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFR030IfE2o I can't find the video I wanted to. It was a breakdown of some big guy who didn't know how to fight go up against someone much smaller but knew some boxing. The little guy backs up, moving laterally away from the big guy's primary hand. After the big guy throws a punch and gets himself off balance, the little guy knocks him out with one good punch to the jaw. Lights out.
- raydev 3y ago
- dopa42365 3y agoIsn't Threads just Instagram with optional text posts? Same old proprietary obfuscated mess, locked garden, meh, no thanks.
- etrautmann 3y agoIt aims to be interoperable via the activitypub protocol no?
- sureglymop 3y agoThat's true. Although I think any respectable instance/entity has already gone ahead and blocked federation with Threads.
- rsynnott 3y agoIt's mostly smaller ones which have pre-emptively promised to defederate; a lot of the big ones are taking a wait and see approach. Though it's hard to imagine that Facebook's moderation will be adequate, and I expect a lot of those will defederate once the crypto spam starts coming through.
- BudaDude 3y ago> locked garden Not to defend Meta, but this isn't true. Meta is embracing the fediverse protocol with Threads.
- Larrikin 3y agoI used to be able to talk friends on AIM, Yahoo, and Messenger all through Pidgin too. "There's an old saying in Tennessee—I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee—that says, 'Fool me once, shame on...shame on you. Fool me—you can't get fooled again.'"
- bigmattystyles 3y agoIt's kinda funny how Bush's fans back then tried to justify this, saying he was self-aware enough to dodge saying 'Shame on me' on tape. They thought he was trying to avoid giving his opponents some campaign ad material. Given the one being defended, I'm not so sure.
- seizethecheese 3y agoOff-topic, but is it just me or is “very truly yours” a strange signature prefix for this kind of email? I’d expect that only in cases of intimacy.
- Talanes 3y agoThe first page of search results for "Very truly yours" includes a forum thread asking why lawyers sign letters that way, so apparently it's just a standard form.
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- odyssey7 3y agoGreat news for tech workers imo. Part of the tech labor market downturn has been driven by skepticism over the costs: if Twitter can slash its workforce and keep running just fine, why can’t other companies? Well, Threads swooping in to rapidly drain Twitter’s market share might change that reasoning.
- adam_arthur 3y agoAre there really more than a few hundred people working on Threads? I believe Twitter had ~7,500 at its peak. Even if Threads succeeds, its not going to be because they have meaningfully more employees. Cloning twitter is a fairly easy technical problem nowadays... in contrast to early 2010s era of no-cloud, poor infra management and so on
- martin8412 3y agoA few hundreds working on a project within Meta. They won't have to take care of a lot of important things they'd have to if they were standalone.
- whateverman23 3y agoIt's not really possible to say how many people are "working on" Threads, I bet. Threads is using Meta infrastructure. Should all those employees count towards Threads employees? How about HR? Legal? Internal tools? Building staff? Security? etc etc.
- adam_arthur 3y agoI'm not particularly interested in Twitter itself, I just disagree that many of the products we use today require a large number of developers. Its easy to find many examples of apps that were challenging to build even just 10 years ago, that are somewhat trivial now. That trend will only continue. OpenAI only had ~100 employees at one point. You don't need 100s of operations people if you move from on-prem to serverless, for example. Today, social media requires the most people in content moderation/support, rather than development. Tomorrow those people are likely to be supplanted by LLMs or similar more tailored AI moderation models. Many products that required 1000s of people 10 years ago, may only require 100s today. To me this is just a fact
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoAllowing users to publish some words on a website is one hell of a trade secret.
- SamoyedFurFluff 3y agoIf you didn’t want your laid off engineers to work for other tech companies, pay them the garden leave or something.
- yalogin 3y agoWhose responsibility is it to prove these claims? Do our courts put the burden on the accuser or the accused to prove these? I hope Twitter has to spend the money upfront and come up with proof rather than just filing a frivolous lawsuit and making the other party spend.
- dingosity 3y agoLetters like this aren't delivered under oath and don't cost much. They can blather as much as they want and try to re-frame the story from "Elon Musk destroyed Twitter" to "Elon Musk was rescuing Twitter until Zucc hired traitorous IP thieves and they destroyed Twitter."
- JohnFen 3y agoIn a civil case, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. The plaintiff doesn't have to prove their case entirely, they only have to convince the judge (or jury) that the claim is "more likely than not" to be true. This is a lower level of proof than in a criminal case, where the standard is "beyond a reasonable doubt".
- chasing 3y agoI'm curious what exactly X is claiming Meta stole? The interface and interaction model is basically just social media best practices that have been evolved by numerous people and companies over the past 20-30 years. Seemingly nothing so complex that it needs to be stolen from another company. Barely any art assets. Dirt-simple interfaces. Under-the-hood, I assume Meta was able to launch this quickly because it's largely built on existing tech. Anyway, sounds petty and short-sighted. So. Totally on-brand!
- renegade-otter 3y agoThreads are Instagram-compatible. It's literally probably Instagram code, heavily modified. Threads is written in Python, and Instagram is largely a Python monolith.
- throwaway844 3y agoI recall this past winter when Elon claimed that Twitter’s tech was so bad it needed a “complete and total rewrite.” https://twitter.com/goldman/status/1605438532260048896?lang=en https://twitter.com/goldman/status/1605438532260048896?lang=... Whatever Meta did or didn’t steal, sounds like he shouldn’t consider it particularly advantageous anyway /s
- appleflaxen 3y agoThat's an incredible point! IANAL but it seems like a compelling defense.
- plorg 3y agoI would imagine a majority of hours on this were product managers doing evaluation rather than engineers writing code. Even if those PMs came from Twitter I can't imagine their insights being particularly proprietary.
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- blitzar 3y ago> accused Meta of hiring dozens of former Twitter employees I loathe Meta as much, if not more, than the next person. However, if upon the events at twitter a little over 6 months ago, they decided then to build a competitor and the result of that decision is Threads ... I have to congratulate them on a job well done. If they did what Twitter is claiming, then I applaud them even more.
- justapassenger 3y agoIt's decades old tactic from Musk. One of the things he's really great at is SEO. He is trying to shift narrative from Threads hyper growth to whatever random lawsuit he's threatening them with.
- Loughla 3y agoBingo. Any story involving the name Musk and Twitter is better than a story involving JUST Threads. NOT to get too political - but - people like Musk and Trump and their ilk are just the natural progression of the PR focused United States culture. Spin and story are just as good as skill and intelligence. Being able to control a narrative is a superpower that leads to massive connections, wealth, and power. This is what we asked for when we invented PR and advertising. We're reaping what we sow and nobody wants to eat the harvest.
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- ChrisArchitect 3y ago[dupe] Discussion over here from earlier: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620536 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36620536
- thefz 3y agoGreat, now let's drive Twitter's value to zero so the world's biggest impostor will be defaced. Or not, considering his ego.
- blitzar 3y agoAll part of the 4D chess.
- dingosity 3y agoI think Mr. Musk should lay off the cannabis for a day or two.
- shagie 3y agoThe following is a copy and paste of OCR of the pdf. There may be some transcription/OCR errors in the following text. --- Dear Mr. Zuckerberg: I write on behalf of X Corp., as successor in interest to Twitter, Inc. ("Twitter"). Based on recent reports regarding your recently launched "Threads" app, Twitter has serious concerns that Meta Platforms ("Meta") has engaged in systematic, willful, and unlawful misappropriation of Twitter's trade secrets and other intellectual property. Over the past year, Meta has hired dozens of former Twitter employees. Twitter knows that these employees previously worked at Twitter; that these employees had and continue to have access to Twitter's trade secrets and other highly confidential information; that these employees owe ongoing obligations to Twitter; and that many of these employees have improperly retained Twitter documents and electronic devices. With that knowledge, Meta deliberately assigned these employees to develop, in a matter of months, Meta's copycat "Threads" app with the specific intent that they use Twitter's trade secrets and other intellectual property in order to accelerate the development of Meta's competing app, in violation of both state and federal law as well as those employees' ongoing obligations to Twitter. Twitter intends to strictly enforce its intellectual property rights, and demands that Meta take immediate steps to stop using any Twitter trade secrets or other highly confidential information. Twitter reserves all rights, including, but not limited to, the right to seek both civil remedies and injunctive relief without further notice to prevent any further retention, disclosure, or use of its intellectual property by Meta. Further, Meta is expressly prohibited from engaging in any crawling or scraping of Twitter's followers or following data. As set forth in Twitter's Terms of Service, crawling any Twitter services - including, but not limited to, any Twitter websites, SMS, APIs, email notifications, applications, buttons, widgets, ads, and commerce services - is permissible only "if done in accordance with the provisions of the robots.txt file" available at https://twitter.com/robots.txt https://twitter.com/robots.txt. The robots.txt file specifically disallows crawling of Twitter's followers or following data. Scraping any Twitter services is expressly prohibited for any reason without Twitter's prior consent. Twitter reserves all rights, including, but not limited to, the right to seck both civil remedies or injunctive relief without further notice. Please consider this letter a formal notice that Meta must preserve any documents that could be relevant to a dispute between Twitter. Meta, and/or former Twitter employees who now work for Meta. That includes, but is not limited to, all documents related to the recruitment, hiring, and onboarding of these former Twitter employees, the development of Meta's competing Threads app, and any communications between these former Twitter employees and any agent, representative, or employee or Meta. Very truly yours, (s) Alex Spiro
- dingosity 3y agoSo... if you work for Twitter and then go work somewhere else, Twitter will sue your new employer? That's a stellar recruiting strategy.
- dragonwriter 3y agoNah, its no good for recruiting, but its not quite as bad as a retention strategy.
- guluarte 3y agowhat exactly they stole? threads is basically a stripped-down version of fb/ig feeds
- chupchap 3y agoInstagram has a much higher MAU so meta can argue they know how to make and retain audience. Twitter will have to prove actual secrets were stolen and that's going to be a tough sell I feel
- jug 3y agoI doubt this hold water, part because commentary that Mera doesn’t even have any ex-Twitter employees on this project, but especially because it’s a reactive lawsuit following the launch and the news it has been a big success. If Twitter knew what Meta was doing, surely they could have shut this down right away?
- johnea 3y agoDo HN readers really care about this drivel? Maybe Elon and The Zuck can settle it in a cage match? That'll make HN top 10 for sure...
- TechBro8615 3y agoThis is not a move that a company makes from a position of strength. I like Musk and frequently defend his decisions, and there's no love lost between me and Meta. But Musks's trigger happy litigiousness is pathetic. His obsession with scrapers scraping public content is extremely cringe and betrays his fundamental misalignment with the open web. The fact that Zuck is planning to make Threads compatible with ActivityPub (presumably) is hilarious, especially considering that Musk originally promised to "turn the platform into “something new that’s decentralized.”" [0]). [0] https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-had-a-plan-to-fix-social-media-bluesky-will-elon-musk-follow-it/ https://www.wired.com/story/twitter-had-a-plan-to-fix-social...
- martindbp 3y agoIndeed, money trumps idealism perhaps. Or idealism trumps money. Given his actions negative effect on Tesla it truly seems like he doesn't care about money, perhaps he just sees Threads as a dangerous woke competitor to Twitter.
- fsociety 3y agoThere was a time when Facebook almost became decentralized, long long ago. It is promising to see this line of thought repeat with Threads. My only hesitancy is how the product will evolve, but the saying always goes “you don’t mess with the Zuck”.
- ChatGTP 3y agoThere is only one way to settle this:Cage match.
- lsllc 3y agoSounds like this is just the 2020's version of SCO vs Novell [0] or Apple vs Microsoft [1] (ad infinitum). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group,_Inc._v._Novell,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO_Group,_Inc._v._Novell,_Inc. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Microsoft_Corp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Computer,_Inc._v._Micros....
- dmode 3y agoI thought Musk had said that there is nothing worth stealing from Twitter because it’s codebase was so bad https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/twitter-down-elon-musk-explained-rewrite-b2296116.html https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/twitter-down-elon-musk-ex...
- DuckFeathers 3y agoTrade secrets is not code.
- vintermann 3y agoFine. What is it then? Could you give a generic example of the sort of secret an employee might take out of Twitter and use to build a competing product? By the way, Musk didn't specify "code" either.
- DuckFeathers 3y ago[dead]
- dmode 3y agoI think they stole the core concept from Twitter - engage users and then show ads. Sue them
- quitit 3y agoWhile this works through the courts - it is kind of amusing to think that Elon is suggesting that Meta somehow needed Twitter's IP to build Threads. Here are some monthly active user stats for social media/chat networks(1): 1. Facebook ~3B ... 3. WhatsApp ~2B 4. Instagram ~2B ... 7. Facebook Messenger ~0.93B ... 14. Twitter ~0.56B I'm no fan of Meta, but it's plain to see that Meta have no problem or lack of talent with regards to scale. (1) https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-networks-ranked-by-number-of-users/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/272014/global-social-net...
- padraic7a 3y agoPerhaps they could settle it in a cage match, in a submarine?
- moomin 3y agoWhether or not Threads is a success, the fact remains that it wouldn’t exist if Musk hadn’t strongly signalled he was ceding Twitter’s market position. That’s the kind of unforced error you can’t sue your way out of.