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Sounds like Dropbox has made the transition just fine. If you’re gonna ask me to pay a tenner a month you better give me what I think is the dollars worth of va

Sounds like Dropbox has made the transition just fine. If you’re gonna ask me to pay a tenner a month you better give me what I think is the dollars worth of value. Dropbox did. Evernote did not. At least not for the vast majority of people who barely take some notes on some rare days.

devjab 3y ago
I think you’re both right because the original poster left out competition. It’s one thing to take free back, it’s another thing to do it when people can easily replace your product without paying. Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. At least as far as I know. You can get your disk space in a lot of ways, some bundled with other products you may use making it appear “free” but even if you host your own cloud storage you’re going to pay something for it. Even if Evernote is better than notes on your iPhone, is it $10 a month better? Probably not.
- TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
  > Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use Google drive?
  - TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
    It is only matter of time before Google will kill it.
  - nunodonato 3y ago
    where's the linux client?
  - devjab 3y ago
    How is Google drive more free to use than Dropbox? As soon as you need any sort of storage it’ll cost you money. You can also get some free MBs from Microsoft, Proton and so on, and, Dropbox also has a free tier.
    - bayindirh 3y ago
      Google Drive's yearly cost for 2TB is almost equal to monthly payment for Dropbox for the same capacity. However, Dropbox have some underrated yet very powerful features like Apps and automations. I buy books from plethora of places, and new versions of the products I have are uploaded automatically. I just receive a notification. Same for some fonts and design assets I have. SendOwl leverages this capability for anyone, easily. Auto organization, a clunky but reliable native Linux application, LANSync, etc. are all good things to have, and they have solved the syncing problem. Also, Google Drive is a ticking time bomb, because if you accidentally put a file Google doesn't like, you have the risk to lose all your Google access at the middle of the night.
      - DeathArrow 3y ago
        >Google Drive's yearly cost for 2TB is almost equal to monthly payment for Dropbox for the same capacity. Dropbox costs €10 / user / month while Google Drive costs $12 / user / month.
        bayindirh 3y ago
        For me, the prices are as follows: - Dropbox: $119.88 per year for 2TB, plus $39.99 per year for one year version history. - Google Drive: ~$11.3 per year for 2TB, ~$57 per year for 5TB. Not in the U.S., btw.
        bosie 3y ago
        Those are crazy low prices for gdrive. central europe i get EUR 10/m for 2TB
  - gumby 3y ago
    Google drive and Dropbox don’t really have the same functionality. Google really wants you to use a web browser; in my experience the filesystem integration has always been flaky. Whereas Dropbox directories that appear in the local filesystem are really solid.
    - KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago
      I think you're right that they're not the same but, in the case of that particular example, they are. https://support.google.com/drive/answer/10838124?hl=en-GB https://support.google.com/drive/answer/10838124?hl=en-GB
      - gumby 3y ago
        On the Mac OS that functionality has always been flakey, through several rewrites, not just bug fixes. About half the time it’s not syncing (often due to crashing, but sometimes just mysteriously) on my completely vanilla macos laptop. Dropbox “just works”.
  - Fnoord 3y ago
    Jottacloud
- cj 3y ago
  > Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. Maybe not completely free, but iCloud desktop sync is pretty much a native MacOS clone of Dropbox. Especially for its core feature of cross-device syncing. Perhaps less so for sharing, although MacOS has been slowly adding those features to the point where I no longer get much value out of dropbox at all. Still paying though, mostly out of laziness to migrate (which is literally as simple as dragging the files into a folder on my desktop, honestly I’m not sure why I haven’t done this yet)
benhurmarcel 3y ago
Dropbox never took away anything they gave for free though. In the beginning they handed out extra space like candies, and the accounts that got it at the time still have it.
- apple4ever 3y ago
  They did though. You used to have unlimited devices syncing for free, then they took that away and made it 3 unless paid. It's why I ended up switching to OneDrive. (Which I ended up paying for later.)
- fluidcruft 3y ago
  I dropped Dropbox with extreme prejudice (was a paying customer) when they decided to dictate which Linux filesystems I may use. Will never use them ever again. Randomly demanding I drop everything and re-engineer my stack is an invitation for me to re-engineer them out of my life.
  - gumby 3y ago
    > when they decided to dictate which Linux filesystems I may use That’s an odd framing. How about “when they didn’t support the filesystem I use”? If some software is only available on Windows I doubt anyone would say that the vendor is trying to “dictate what OS I use”.
    - fluidcruft 3y ago
      The framing is not odd at all. Your framing makes it sound as if this was some requirement that had been known since the beginning rather than the typical "Good news! For our own corporate reasons we have decided to make your life better by jumping to the top of your todo list and breaking your things!" Thanks, I hate it. To be clear it is trivial to thwart the check, but shared library shims can't fix the real problem which is pointless corporate contempt. Particularly if I'm paying for it.
  - acdha 3y ago
    Like everyone else, they have to decide what they support – their core product pretty heavily depends on known file system semantics – and they gave advanced notice specifically so you didn’t have to “drop everything” if you for some reason cannot have a partition using a supported file system. Put another way, do you think the combined users of file systems which aren’t supported ext4, xfs, btrfs, or zfs are willing to pay more or would quietly accept the possibility of data loss? I doubt the former is true and have absolute certainty that if there was a bug using an unsupported file system that would result in angry, hyperbolic blog posts saying Dropbox is unsafe and will lose your data.

devjab 3y ago

I think you’re both right because the original poster left out competition. It’s one thing to take free back, it’s another thing to do it when people can easily replace your product without paying. Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. At least as far as I know. You can get your disk space in a lot of ways, some bundled with other products you may use making it appear “free” but even if you host your own cloud storage you’re going to pay something for it. Even if Evernote is better than notes on your iPhone, is it $10 a month better? Probably not.

TedDoesntTalk 3y ago
> Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use Google drive?
- TheLoafOfBread 3y ago
  It is only matter of time before Google will kill it.
- nunodonato 3y ago
  where's the linux client?
- devjab 3y ago
  How is Google drive more free to use than Dropbox? As soon as you need any sort of storage it’ll cost you money. You can also get some free MBs from Microsoft, Proton and so on, and, Dropbox also has a free tier.
  - bayindirh 3y ago
    Google Drive's yearly cost for 2TB is almost equal to monthly payment for Dropbox for the same capacity. However, Dropbox have some underrated yet very powerful features like Apps and automations. I buy books from plethora of places, and new versions of the products I have are uploaded automatically. I just receive a notification. Same for some fonts and design assets I have. SendOwl leverages this capability for anyone, easily. Auto organization, a clunky but reliable native Linux application, LANSync, etc. are all good things to have, and they have solved the syncing problem. Also, Google Drive is a ticking time bomb, because if you accidentally put a file Google doesn't like, you have the risk to lose all your Google access at the middle of the night.
    - DeathArrow 3y ago
      >Google Drive's yearly cost for 2TB is almost equal to monthly payment for Dropbox for the same capacity. Dropbox costs €10 / user / month while Google Drive costs $12 / user / month.
      - bayindirh 3y ago
        For me, the prices are as follows: - Dropbox: $119.88 per year for 2TB, plus $39.99 per year for one year version history. - Google Drive: ~$11.3 per year for 2TB, ~$57 per year for 5TB. Not in the U.S., btw.
        bosie 3y ago
        Those are crazy low prices for gdrive. central europe i get EUR 10/m for 2TB
- gumby 3y ago
  Google drive and Dropbox don’t really have the same functionality. Google really wants you to use a web browser; in my experience the filesystem integration has always been flaky. Whereas Dropbox directories that appear in the local filesystem are really solid.
  - KnobbleMcKnees 3y ago
    I think you're right that they're not the same but, in the case of that particular example, they are. https://support.google.com/drive/answer/10838124?hl=en-GB https://support.google.com/drive/answer/10838124?hl=en-GB
    - gumby 3y ago
      On the Mac OS that functionality has always been flakey, through several rewrites, not just bug fixes. About half the time it’s not syncing (often due to crashing, but sometimes just mysteriously) on my completely vanilla macos laptop. Dropbox “just works”.
- Fnoord 3y ago
  Jottacloud
cj 3y ago
> Dropbox doesn’t have a competitor that is free to use. Maybe not completely free, but iCloud desktop sync is pretty much a native MacOS clone of Dropbox. Especially for its core feature of cross-device syncing. Perhaps less so for sharing, although MacOS has been slowly adding those features to the point where I no longer get much value out of dropbox at all. Still paying though, mostly out of laziness to migrate (which is literally as simple as dragging the files into a folder on my desktop, honestly I’m not sure why I haven’t done this yet)

benhurmarcel 3y ago

Dropbox never took away anything they gave for free though. In the beginning they handed out extra space like candies, and the accounts that got it at the time still have it.

apple4ever 3y ago
They did though. You used to have unlimited devices syncing for free, then they took that away and made it 3 unless paid. It's why I ended up switching to OneDrive. (Which I ended up paying for later.)
fluidcruft 3y ago
I dropped Dropbox with extreme prejudice (was a paying customer) when they decided to dictate which Linux filesystems I may use. Will never use them ever again. Randomly demanding I drop everything and re-engineer my stack is an invitation for me to re-engineer them out of my life.
- gumby 3y ago
  > when they decided to dictate which Linux filesystems I may use That’s an odd framing. How about “when they didn’t support the filesystem I use”? If some software is only available on Windows I doubt anyone would say that the vendor is trying to “dictate what OS I use”.
  - fluidcruft 3y ago
    The framing is not odd at all. Your framing makes it sound as if this was some requirement that had been known since the beginning rather than the typical "Good news! For our own corporate reasons we have decided to make your life better by jumping to the top of your todo list and breaking your things!" Thanks, I hate it. To be clear it is trivial to thwart the check, but shared library shims can't fix the real problem which is pointless corporate contempt. Particularly if I'm paying for it.
- acdha 3y ago
  Like everyone else, they have to decide what they support – their core product pretty heavily depends on known file system semantics – and they gave advanced notice specifically so you didn’t have to “drop everything” if you for some reason cannot have a partition using a supported file system. Put another way, do you think the combined users of file systems which aren’t supported ext4, xfs, btrfs, or zfs are willing to pay more or would quietly accept the possibility of data loss? I doubt the former is true and have absolute certainty that if there was a bug using an unsupported file system that would result in angry, hyperbolic blog posts saying Dropbox is unsafe and will lose your data.