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That is so strange. Like legalizing drugs through allowing people to sell it but prosecuting the people who purchase it.
by adrr 3y ago
That is so strange. Like legalizing drugs through allowing people to sell it but prosecuting the people who purchase it.
- lom 3y agoThat is not a fair comparison for so many reasons…
- adrr 3y agoHow so?
- serf 3y agowell, in the case of sex-trade it can be argued that the purchaser is ,generally speaking, in a better state-of-living than the seller. The reverse is, generally speaking, the case with regards to selling drugs. it's a matter of which party is thought to be more greatly victimized, in other words.
- yieldcrv 3y agothought to be is the primary achilles heel of these efforts they assume the sex workers have no agency and give them no voice in these proposals, opinions and legislation. “believe all women, except them”. many workers are saying “labor rights and harm reduction” and that thinly veiled eradication and weighing differences based on power dynamics does.not.help.
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- robbiep 3y agoThat’s a very puritanical view of the sex trade. In New South Wales prostitution has always been legal, including street crawlers, and for the protection of the sellers it is illegal to be a pimp. The view being the women have agency but pimping is predatory
- bruceb 3y ago"including street crawlers" Nothing says pro women than using a term like this.
- robbiep 3y agoWell, technically the term is used for the people who are looking to purchase services, so I’m not sure what sort of judgement you’re trying to apply, but thanks kindly for your 2c - the point being that you can buy sex off the street in NSW
- kortilla 3y agoBetter look up who it refers to before you whip out the indignation
- mock-possum 3y agoOoh ooh is it guys?
- kortilla 3y agoNo, it’s specifically the clients. Definitely predominantly men but it’s not a term for men specifically.
- adrr 3y agoStreet Crawler or Kerb crawler is the person looking to solicit prostitution. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerb_crawler https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerb_crawler
- perilunar 3y ago> In New South Wales prostitution has always been legal No it hasn't. It was made illegal in the early 1900s. Street-based sex work was decriminalised in 1979 (Prostitution Act 1979), and brothels were decriminalised in 1995 (Disorderly Houses Amendment Act 1995).
- adrr 3y agoIs that true? Surveys show the top drugs as marijuana, cocaine(no crack), lsd, and ecstasy which are more party/social drugs. It’s not the “bad” drugs like crack, meth, heroin, or pcp. And there are plenty of victims in drug dealing. People get killed all the time and lots of children will never see their parents outside of visiting them in jail due to mandatory min sentencing. In terms of race for federal convictions for trafficking and dealing it’s mostly blacks and Hispanics that do all the time to feed America’s drug addiction. There’s the whole drug mule thing where cartels prey on people to be drug mules.
- vintermann 3y ago> Surveys show the top drugs as marijuana, cocaine(no crack), lsd, and ecstasy which are more party/social drugs. It’s not the “bad” drugs like crack, meth, heroin, or pcp. Surveys? As in asking people what they've used, and maybe how much? I can think of some reasons why prestigious/party drugs are well-represented there and gutter drugs aren't. It's safe to assume that most money in drugs is made on harmful use, if you define harmful use even remotely sensibly. This is the case for alcohol, tobacco and gambling, and although there is always going to be more uncertainty around illegal products, you can be pretty confident it's the case there too. This is why legalization isn't an easy fix. People running businesses that are harmful to their significant customers, know it. These industries will still attract gangsters in the sense of people that are OK with profiting from spreading misery, only instead of risking prison for it, they can openly build relationships to other powerful people, participate in lobbying etc.
- adrr 3y agoHow else would you determine drug usage in a country? You cant just randomly drug test a random cohort of the population. anecdotally, i have never had anyone try to sell me any “bad” drugs.
- gettodachoppa 3y ago>well, in the case of sex-trade it can be argued that the purchaser is ,generally speaking, in a better state-of-living than the seller. Maybe this applies to homeless street walkers. But the majority of prostitution I'm aware of (anecdotal, I know) is middle-class men who go to freelance call girls 10x wealthier than they are. The customer pays a several days' worth of his wages for 2h of fun. So I would say it can be argued that the purchaser is a bigger victim than the seller, considering the financial power dynamics.
- hammock 3y agoA bit like when usury used to be illegal. You can write a note (borrow money) but you can’t collect interest on notes from others
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- anjel 3y agoUS Usury laws were if not eliminated, substantially curtailed in th last 30 years. There used to be interest rate caps on consumer loans. Now we have Payday Loan Titans. In California, you can only charge a max of 10% interest if you want to seller-finance real estate. The way to charge more than 10% is to become a regulated bank which is non-trivial and capital-intense.
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- pyuser583 3y agoThis has been considered. You stop commerce by stopping demand, not supply.
- miley_cyrus 3y agoI have long advocated for this, and people always reject it out of hand!
- gizmo686 3y agoAre you intending to speak generally, because there are almost no markets where that is the way things work. I can't think of any other market that is restricted purely on the demand side, and the few markets I can think of with demand side enforcement as a major component, they do so because they are at the limit of what is practical on the supply side, not because they choose not to enforce supply side.
- michaelmrose 3y agoIt's true of illicit markets with a high ceiling for what buyers are willing to pay vs the requirements for sellers to engage in trade. People are willing to pay so much for drugs which are so cheap to produce that dealing with dealers does virtually nothing for consumption because rising prices inspire people to fill any gaps you poke in the supply chain. I would say sex is not dissimilar.
- roenxi 3y ago1) Generally the way commerce is stopped is first it is moved via a regulator, then the regulator squeezes it. See the medical market for example. 2) Sometimes we must refer to King Canute and the tide. The idea of "stopping demand" for prostitution seems like a long shot.
- lostlogin 3y agoHave you got an example of regulatory pressure working? Drugs, alcohol, sex, abortion. You make it illegal and you get the same behaviour with a whole load of bad add-ons.
- wiseowise 3y agoCould drugs be trafficked against their will and forced into modern life slavery? (Hint: you’re comparing people to objects)
- cwillu 3y agoIt's a great argument for a comprehensive set of workers' rights.
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoIf you insist on framing it as "buying sex is consuming people", then sure.