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> Poor White and Asian kids still beat out poor Black and Hispanic kids academically on average Why is that the case? For Asians, I don't see what systemic pr
by ahtihn 3y ago
> Poor White and Asian kids still beat out poor Black and Hispanic kids academically on average
Why is that the case?
For Asians, I don't see what systemic privilege they could have that would need to be compensated away?
- crackercrews 3y agoAsians spend much more time than others on homework. [1] 1: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07311214221101422 https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/07311214221101...
- charlieyu1 3y agoSo hard work should be punished?
- koolba 3y agoNo of course not. We’ll just ban it to level the playing field.
- nirav72 3y agoLot of schools no longer put emphasis on SAT/ACT scores. So yeah that’s basically what they did.
- nfw2 3y agoThe ironic thing is that standardized tests are the most objective metric we have. Things like extracurriculars reflect more on the parents and community than the kids.
- mcphage 3y ago> So yeah that’s basically what they did. You think you need to work hard to get a high SAT score?
- orangepurple 3y agoI needed to work hard to get a very high SAT score because I'm a dummy. But I did it.
- nirav72 3y agoSome do for the SAT. Others work hard over years leading up to their SAT. Then there are others with financial reaources that can afford prep classes.
- crackercrews 3y agoI definitely did not say that! I was just answering GP's question with a simple fact and link.
- Izikiel43 3y agoSo, because they study more, and their family places more importance in studying, they should be brought down because they are not the right race?
- adventured 3y agoThey're not concerned with the angle used - any angle that works is acceptable - just that more successful groups are brought down, and they're concerned with the levers used to bring them down (as a matter of cultural control). The idea is to be able to dominate politically through manipulation. For some political machines that's viewed as a critical tool: intentionally segment people into conflict groups (forever subdividing as you go), spur endless conflict and cultural control through the conflict (hate speech controls = end of free speech, and so on).
- HDThoreaun 3y agoI think it's more that admissions aren't actually optimizing for academic success. They're optimizing for career success. If you just look at academic signals you'll accept the most academically successful students but that's not the point. It's not unreasonable to punish applicants for spending more time studying because studying skews the metric they're using to predict career success.
- MaokaiLin 3y agoWhat kind of logic is this? So having wealthy and well-connected parents gives you a huge edge on career success, and you are saying admission should take that into account and favor that heavily?
- HDThoreaun 3y agoI don't know about should, but they are taking it into account and I'm just saying why they are. Whether maximizing career success is the right choice is certainly up for debate.
- Izikiel43 3y ago
- hcnova12 3y agoAsian students be grinding three times harder on homework than black students. Can't blame them for crushing it academically!
- QuarterReptile 3y agoThe 'systemic privilege' you're looking for is culture. Unfortunately, the treatment is even more complicated than the diagnosis is simple.
- vacuity 3y agoUnpopular to hear, but it needs to be said more. While I believe that the US still has a ways to go to truly achieve equality of opportunity (and then equality of outcome really would be based on culture, I would think), culture is such an important factor in peoples' personalities and therefore an important factor in peoples' outcomes. I can't speak to other life forms, but culture (nurture) is a powerful force in humans that can rival genetic dispositions (nature).
- rd 3y agoIt's a zero-sum game. There's no such thing as taking privilege "away" from Asian kids. If you increase the acceptance rate of some race, it has to be decreased from somewhere. There's literally nothing else that can be done.
- YetAnotherNick 3y agoI don't know what your definition of taking privilege away means, but in my definition giving preference to someone for limited resource means taking privilege away from others.