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2019 car here, equipped with a rear camera. Been driving for 43 years and I refuse to use the cam. The thing that bothers me is now I have to check the mfg conn

2019 car here, equipped with a rear camera. Been driving for 43 years and I refuse to use the cam. The thing that bothers me is now I have to check the mfg connectivity TOS and must opt out instead of opt in to what data is transmitted - it’s ridiculous. Don’t get me started on the ever increasing software subscription services these manufacturers are trying to levy on consumers.

hgdcbbc 3y ago
Aren’t rearview cameras required now for new cars in the United States for safety reasons? Hope you don’t live around anyone too short.
- xyst 3y ago
  TIL: https://www.thedrive.com/news/20612/rearview-cameras-are-now-required-on-all-new-cars-sold-in-the-u-s https://www.thedrive.com/news/20612/rearview-cameras-are-now... In the good ole USA, vehicles are also getting larger (massive market to satisfy the insecurities of millions of Americans) and manufacturers are pushing them down American throats to get around the CAFE regulations. [1] Since they are getting larger, this means the view from the front is obscured. In most SUVs and trucks, 8-9 children can be sitting in front of a modern truck or SUV before you see a child's head. There's been some talk about forcing FRONT view cameras as well. [2] It's absolutely disgusting. I hate cars. I hate how transportation is largely car centric. [1] https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/04/04/buttigiegs-new-emissions-standards-fail-to-close-the-infamous-light-truck-loophole https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/04/04/buttigiegs-new-emissi... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-are-getting-bigger-are-front-blind-zones-children-rcna52109 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-ar...
  - switch007 3y ago
    Children should obviously carry a 10ft orange flag whenever they’re around cars. If not, it’s their fault if they get hit. /s
Tarball10 3y ago
What does refusing to use the rear view camera have to do with data collection? Those were added because kids were getting run over and killed by reversing vehicles. It seems irresponsible to not check it (along with all the other normal checks you do when reversing).
- Waterluvian 3y ago
  Reverse cameras are one of the best things to happen to automobile safety in a long time. The automatic obstacle detection and braking is so great. I’m delighted that it’s such a success that it’s standard in every new car.
  - fatnoah 3y ago
    > Reverse cameras are one of the best things to happen to automobile safety in a long time. I agree, but I feel like cameras have made everyone feel the need to back into parking spaces, resulting in an epidemic of slightly askew cars that make it more difficult for everyone else to park. It's a small price to pay for increased safety, but it's stilkl annoying.
    - Waterluvian 3y ago
      Hmm I can see that being a thing. I’d find it annoying. I don’t feel like I see the trend in my locale. I do like that the camera makes lining up cars easier (if you’re competent and care) I get these lines that curve when my wheels are turned. And I use them to line up with the space. It actually makes backing in feel nicer… makes me look like I know what I’m doing…. Or am I the person you’re talking about! ;)
    - Silhouette 3y ago
      I feel like cameras have made everyone feel the need to back into parking spaces, resulting in an epidemic of slightly askew cars that make it more difficult for everyone else to park. Where I come from (the UK) drivers are routinely taught to reverse into most types of space or small driveway and drive out forwards because it is better for both manoeuvrability and driver vision. If you can't manage to perform some basic manoeuvres involving reversing during your driving test then you fail. We do not have an epidemic of slightly askew cars in car parks and the worst offenders for less than parallel parking are often the drivers who were too lazy to reverse in and instead tried to swing in forwards when they didn't have enough space to straighten up properly afterwards.
voz_ 3y ago
I don’t get this. The rear view camera on my 2019 vehicle is a joy to use. What data could it transmit that I or anyone cares about? I truly don’t understand the privacy obsession. Most people don’t matter, and chances are there’s absolutely no novel or interesting data gathered.
- NoRelToEmber 3y ago
  > What data could it transmit that I or anyone cares about? The question is what data does it need to transmit. The answer is none. Rear cameras and tracking are entirely unrelated, though I'm sure car manufacturers will try to convince us tracking is essential for a camera to function. They'd try to convince us tracking is essential for windshield wipers, if those weren't around since long before tracking. > Most people don’t matter, and chances are there’s absolutely no novel or interesting data gathered. Spoken like someone who never had to worry about politics, and whose current political system is only free of corruption and tyranny (to some extent) thanks to the actions of people who did have something to hide. Actions your attitude makes much harder. It's like pollution. One day you or someone will find some information of public interest, for example a spy agency targeting dissidents, an industrial farm illegally using antibiotics to speed growth while antibiotic-resistant bacteria decimate hospital patients, or a million other such things. You'll try to leak it anonymously to the press, because the international conglomerate you work for could retaliate, but you'll realize you can't so much as back out of your driveway without ten cameras recording your face and of everyone around you and selling your network of contacts to ten different information brokers, that then sell it on to governments or private security forces. You can't get within a mile of a journalist without that being recorded somewhere. Contacting anyone with your phone is even worse - because you've set up your phone with "nothing to hide" in mind.
  - FollowingTheDao 3y ago
    Correct. All this is not going to matter until it suddenly does.
PragmaticPulp 3y ago
Rear view cameras are a safety feature. You’re not sticking it to anyone by refusing to look at it. I understand that you’re upset about data collection, but refusing to use a basic safety feature is a pointless protest. The only people who might be harmed are those around you. Please reconsider.
ern 3y ago
I recall reading/seeing somewhere that rear windows are getting smaller in newer models, so you could be putting pedestrians at risk by not using the rear camera.

hgdcbbc 3y ago

Aren’t rearview cameras required now for new cars in the United States for safety reasons? Hope you don’t live around anyone too short.

xyst 3y ago
TIL: https://www.thedrive.com/news/20612/rearview-cameras-are-now-required-on-all-new-cars-sold-in-the-u-s https://www.thedrive.com/news/20612/rearview-cameras-are-now... In the good ole USA, vehicles are also getting larger (massive market to satisfy the insecurities of millions of Americans) and manufacturers are pushing them down American throats to get around the CAFE regulations. [1] Since they are getting larger, this means the view from the front is obscured. In most SUVs and trucks, 8-9 children can be sitting in front of a modern truck or SUV before you see a child's head. There's been some talk about forcing FRONT view cameras as well. [2] It's absolutely disgusting. I hate cars. I hate how transportation is largely car centric. [1] https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/04/04/buttigiegs-new-emissions-standards-fail-to-close-the-infamous-light-truck-loophole https://usa.streetsblog.org/2022/04/04/buttigiegs-new-emissi... [2] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-are-getting-bigger-are-front-blind-zones-children-rcna52109 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/americas-cars-trucks-ar...
- switch007 3y ago
  Children should obviously carry a 10ft orange flag whenever they’re around cars. If not, it’s their fault if they get hit. /s

Tarball10 3y ago

What does refusing to use the rear view camera have to do with data collection? Those were added because kids were getting run over and killed by reversing vehicles. It seems irresponsible to not check it (along with all the other normal checks you do when reversing).

Waterluvian 3y ago
Reverse cameras are one of the best things to happen to automobile safety in a long time. The automatic obstacle detection and braking is so great. I’m delighted that it’s such a success that it’s standard in every new car.
- fatnoah 3y ago
  > Reverse cameras are one of the best things to happen to automobile safety in a long time. I agree, but I feel like cameras have made everyone feel the need to back into parking spaces, resulting in an epidemic of slightly askew cars that make it more difficult for everyone else to park. It's a small price to pay for increased safety, but it's stilkl annoying.
  - Waterluvian 3y ago
    Hmm I can see that being a thing. I’d find it annoying. I don’t feel like I see the trend in my locale. I do like that the camera makes lining up cars easier (if you’re competent and care) I get these lines that curve when my wheels are turned. And I use them to line up with the space. It actually makes backing in feel nicer… makes me look like I know what I’m doing…. Or am I the person you’re talking about! ;)
  - Silhouette 3y ago
    I feel like cameras have made everyone feel the need to back into parking spaces, resulting in an epidemic of slightly askew cars that make it more difficult for everyone else to park. Where I come from (the UK) drivers are routinely taught to reverse into most types of space or small driveway and drive out forwards because it is better for both manoeuvrability and driver vision. If you can't manage to perform some basic manoeuvres involving reversing during your driving test then you fail. We do not have an epidemic of slightly askew cars in car parks and the worst offenders for less than parallel parking are often the drivers who were too lazy to reverse in and instead tried to swing in forwards when they didn't have enough space to straighten up properly afterwards.

voz_ 3y ago

I don’t get this. The rear view camera on my 2019 vehicle is a joy to use. What data could it transmit that I or anyone cares about? I truly don’t understand the privacy obsession. Most people don’t matter, and chances are there’s absolutely no novel or interesting data gathered.

NoRelToEmber 3y ago
> What data could it transmit that I or anyone cares about? The question is what data does it need to transmit. The answer is none. Rear cameras and tracking are entirely unrelated, though I'm sure car manufacturers will try to convince us tracking is essential for a camera to function. They'd try to convince us tracking is essential for windshield wipers, if those weren't around since long before tracking. > Most people don’t matter, and chances are there’s absolutely no novel or interesting data gathered. Spoken like someone who never had to worry about politics, and whose current political system is only free of corruption and tyranny (to some extent) thanks to the actions of people who did have something to hide. Actions your attitude makes much harder. It's like pollution. One day you or someone will find some information of public interest, for example a spy agency targeting dissidents, an industrial farm illegally using antibiotics to speed growth while antibiotic-resistant bacteria decimate hospital patients, or a million other such things. You'll try to leak it anonymously to the press, because the international conglomerate you work for could retaliate, but you'll realize you can't so much as back out of your driveway without ten cameras recording your face and of everyone around you and selling your network of contacts to ten different information brokers, that then sell it on to governments or private security forces. You can't get within a mile of a journalist without that being recorded somewhere. Contacting anyone with your phone is even worse - because you've set up your phone with "nothing to hide" in mind.
- FollowingTheDao 3y ago
  Correct. All this is not going to matter until it suddenly does.

PragmaticPulp 3y ago

Rear view cameras are a safety feature. You’re not sticking it to anyone by refusing to look at it. I understand that you’re upset about data collection, but refusing to use a basic safety feature is a pointless protest. The only people who might be harmed are those around you. Please reconsider.

ern 3y ago

I recall reading/seeing somewhere that rear windows are getting smaller in newer models, so you could be putting pedestrians at risk by not using the rear camera.