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So that includes wheelchair?
by megablast 3y ago
So that includes wheelchair?
- l0b0 3y agoYep. Obviously this is a thought experiment, and the site did tell users to take the problem as stated very literally. So I basically went with two simple rules: - Would anyone call it a vehicle? - Is it in the park?
- madeofpalk 3y agoSo that includes wheelchair? Would anyone call it a vehicle?
- bhaney 3y agoYes, I think it's reasonable to consider a wheelchair to be a vehicle. Especially the motorized ones.
- mcny 3y agoI said, no. A wheelchair is not a vehicle. In my opinion, the wheelchair is an extension of the person, and not a separate object as long as it is being used by someone who needs it.
- manwe150 3y agoThis seems a fun direction of thought. So does it cease to become a vehicle as soon as someone sits in it, and resume its functionality as a vehicle as soon as it is abandoned?
- Dylan16807 3y agoSo whether it's a vehicle depends on how well the person in it can walk? I don't know about that. I'd rather just give exceptions.
- mcny 3y agoSorry, I didn't mean it that way. I have older parents who can walk short distances but I'd rather they have the choice to use a wheelchair at an airport. In general, no testing. Unless some people are being jackasses and doing something absurd like standing on wheelchairs jousting with long sticks holding up everyone in line.
- josefx 3y agoWhat is your definition of need? If I need to meet friends in the park in five minutes I clearly need a car to get there in time. So the car would not be a vehicle in that case?
- mook 3y agoDoes a wheelchair become a vehicle if somebody who _can_ walk without it sits in it? Does that mean everyone in wheelchairs must be harassed (to find out if they need it)?
- dahart 3y agoSince the preamble mentioned this was a test of language literalness, before I answered the question, I looked up the definition of “vehicle”: “A means of carrying or transporting something” https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vehicle https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/vehicle While it might be uncommon to call a wheelchair a vehicle, it fits the literal definition. I don’t understand the ‘extension of the person’ rationale, you’re still using the word ‘wheelchair’, and it’s obviously a separate object from a person. How would that rationale differ if you were talking about cars? Can I argue a car is an extension of me as long as I’m using it while I need it?
- delecti 3y agoIt's a common sentiment among wheelchair users that the freedom they enable makes them feel like an extension of a person. In that context, for the purpose of the "vehicle" question, there's not much difference between a wheelchair, prosthetic leg, or eyeglasses. I wouldn't say I'm entirely convinced, but it's at least convincing enough that I said that a wheelchair did not violate the "vehicle" rule. I can't define "vehicle" in a way that would satisfactorily justify that decision, but I'm comfortable with that.
- manwe150 3y agoThe Merriam-Webster definition tends towards a vehicle being something with a power source (something where the power source is not manual/manus/human) capable of moving other things. That would include any sort of powered chair, but not be a problem for a standard wheelchair. Interestingly the Oxford American dictionary explicitly includes a cart as a primary example however, and Wikipedia’s primary example of a vehicle is a bike.
- ClumsyPilot 3y agoRoller skates are clearly not a vehicle. Similarly, neither is a wheelchair. They are not reasonably separable form the person using them. A bicycle actually goes on roads, follow rules and get a ticket for jumping a red light.
- wskish 3y agoIt isn't so clear to me. If it conveys a human in any way that humans don't naturally move unassisted then in my mind it qualifies as a conveyance and hence a vehicle, especially in the sense of the the French véhicule, from Latin vehiculum (“a carriage, conveyance”), from vehere (“to carry”)
- sethammons 3y agoStilts? How tall? Platform shoes? How tall?
- xyzzy_plugh 3y agoThe person riding the bicycle does those things, the bicycle is a tool. A tool can't follow rules. You can take roller skates off, get out of a wheelchair, and get off a bicycle. Imagine you were wearing roller skates being pulled by a dog. Imagine you were sitting in a chair, with a roller skate bound to each leg of the chair, rolling down a hill. Imagine you were a flea in a roller skate rolling down a hill. Imagine you were a dog in a wheelchair rolling down a hill. Imagine you were a flea on a dog in a chair with roller skates on its legs rolling down a hill.
- bhaney 3y ago> Roller skates are clearly not a vehicle I don't think that's particularly clear and I think a non-negligible number of people would disagree
- talaketu 3y agoA wheelchair is used for transporting a person.
- michaelt 3y agoPersonally I wouldn't call a wheelchair a vehicle for purposes of this question, but I think some people would call a wheelchair a vehicle, yes. After all, bicycles are clearly vehicles, and bicycles and wheelchairs are both things with metal frames, wheels and seats designed to convey humans around under their own power. Other than the placement of the wheels, the main difference is the character of its use.
- kevinmchugh 3y agoSpeed and impact on the user are meaningful differences. I don't like bikes in parks (except those designed for them) because the bikes are moving much faster than anything else. For that reason I might feel that a small child on a bike is more permissible than an adult. Also that the carried skateboard is not a violation - I understand the rule to be about vehicle use more than presence
- zimpenfish 3y ago> I understand the rule to be about vehicle use more than presence Which I guess is part of the point - the rule specifically does not say anything about use, only presence - but people (including me) are still interpreting the rule with a "usage" axis. Perfect demonstration that the "simple rules for Internet content that are easy to apply" assertion has fallen over at the first hurdle.
- bscphil 3y ago> I think some people would call a wheelchair a vehicle I think, just being overly annoying and literal, that the game shouldn't be answered by asking whether anyone would call a wheelchair a vehicle, but whether a wheelchair is a vehicle in the sense meant in the rule statement. I don't think it is, personally, though it's probably the closest non-vehicle in the list. Strictly speaking, by the definition of "would anyone call this object a vehicle", every single thing on the list is a vehicle, because apparently at least ~2% of the quiz respondents said they were vehicles - including kites!
- zajio1am 3y agoWould anyone not call it a vehicle?
- vkou 3y agoBecause the vernacular definition of 'vehicle' in this context does not include crutches, wheelchairs, kites, or slippers. It might include a powered mobility scooter.
- nostrebored 3y agoWhat’s the difference between a powered mobility scooter and a modern wheelchair?
- vkou 3y agoWeight and top speed that most of their occupants reach, although I haven't looked closely at a lot of 'modern wheelchairs', so I may be off the mark.
- ThePowerOfFuet 3y agoSo no effective difference, then.
- vkou 3y agoThere's be a pretty big difference for someone that they ran into, just like I'd much rather be ran over by a golf cart, than by a Honda Civic.
- tuatoru 3y agoKites, toy cars and toy boats are toys (to me). Slippers, skis and skates are footwear. A toboggan isn't normally attached to a person's body, so a vehicle. Drones and balloons I would say are in the park, whereas aircraft (at normal altitudes) I would say are not. Unfortunately: I'd like more parks to have a protected square inch of silence. 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Square_Inch_of_Silence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Square_Inch_of_Silence 1. https://onesquareinch.org/ https://onesquareinch.org/
- klyrs 3y agoI wouldn't ordinarily define a wheelchair as a vehicle. But I looked up a definition: a thing used for transporting people or goods On this basis, I conclude that wheelchairs, roller skates and carried skatebords are vehicles, and horses are not (as thing implies non-sentience).
- lostlogin 3y agoWhat if the user wasn’t disabled? Or if it was motorised?
- aMERER 3y ago[flagged]