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Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?
by m_0x 3y ago
Does this mean the passengers had an instantaneous death?
- kneebonian 3y agoTheres an avid discussion on the other thread about this, but the short answer is likely yes. They were probably crushed, incinerated and then bludgeoned to death in less than 3ms, and probably unconscious before they were aware of any of the rest of it.
- losvedir 3y agoWhile the physical trauma would have been instantaneous, they might have known it was going to happen. James Cameron just said in an interview[0] that they had a sensor system inside which detects when the hull is starting to fail, and that they probably had warning because they had dropped their weights to ascend. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rThZLhNF_xg
- vanattab 3y agoHow do we know the weights where dropped before the immplosion
- chiph 3y agoOnce they locate the wreckage, if the weights aren't nearby that's a strong sign they were detached before the implosion. They would have fallen to a different location on the seafloor than the hull because they're denser and have a smaller cross-section, thus not affected as much by the hydrodynamics during the fall.
- lamontcg 3y agoI thought the drop weights were held on by electromagnets--essentially a dead-man switch kind of fail-safe. So therefore when the power failed due to the implosion the weights would drop.
- ikekkdcjkfke 3y agoNot an expert, but seeing hydrolic press videos using carbon fibre it snaps instantly, also seeing ocean gate videos they don't cross weave the carbon fibre
- irrational 3y agoIncinerated? Where did the fire come from?
- c_o_n_v_e_x 3y agoHeat of compression
- saltcured 3y agoLike a diesel engine igniting just from pressurizing the cylinder...?
- TypesWillSaveUs 3y agoWhen you compress all the gas in a volume quickly it gets very hot. This is how a Diesel engine works.
- RoyGBivCap 3y agoAn attempt at an ExplainLikeImFive answer: In a sizable volume of gas the air molecules have a lot of room to bounce around. Moving molecules and them hitting things is heat. So suddenly having a lot less room results in much more frequent impacts. Frequency of impacts is heat, so it becomes hotter. We'd sort of normally consider it the overall average velocity of the molecules, but if they never hit anything they never transfer energy, and aren't measured (or measurable). But when they hit things they transfer some of that energy and it's measured as heat as an aggregate. So biggish volume of gas, suddenly in a tiny volume: huge spike in heat because all the molecules now slamming into each other and the people inside. I'd say it would be very unpleasant, but it's so fast and so violent that exceeds the speed of human thought, so they felt nothing and just sort of stopped existing as corporeal beings faster than they could possibly comprehend the change in circumstances. They were. And then they weren't.
- chakintosh 3y agoMantis Shrimp kill using a similar concept Video showing a Mantis Shrimp punching a shell incredibly quickly it creates a vacuum which generates intense heat and a flame .. under water! > https://youtu.be/ti2Uoc1RXuQ?t=128 https://youtu.be/ti2Uoc1RXuQ?t=128
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoDamn, why don't we execute people that way (if we're still executing people, that is)?
- goodbyesf 3y agoCan you imagine the torture of waiting to be turned into a "meat cloud"? It's also probably prohibitively expensive to construct a "meat cloud device".
- ChatGTP 3y agoIt sounds gruesome, but maybe some people have a preference ?
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- chakintosh 3y agoBecause the executed's family still have a right to bury their dead, not poor him in closed casket. Besides, once the person is executed, it's considered they paid for their actions and deserve basic human decency.
- shrimp_emoji 3y agoMan. Retributive justice done in a potentially more painful way so that family members can do a ritual on your corpse. I hope our society continues becoming more enlightened. :D
- MrFoof 3y agoI believe James Cameron called it being turned into a, "meat cloud." Absolutely occurred in under 30ms (upper bound). Possibly as quick as 2ms, and in all likelihood well under 10ms.
- weaksauce 3y agoblink of an eye is 100ms on average so it was faster than the blink of an eye.
- chakintosh 3y agoThey died faster than their brain could process any pain.
- marklubi 3y agoRough estimates, but at that depth, it’s around 450 atmospheres of pressure, or around 6,500 lbs per square inch. Pretty much instantaneous.
- calyth2018 3y agoYes
- RoyGBivCap 3y agoThey went from alive, to clouds of molecules faster than humans can perceive. So effectively, yes.
- somerandomqaguy 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N17tEW_WEU&t=166s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0N17tEW_WEU&t=166s This is what a controlled vacuum implosion of a liquid tank looks like at 1 atmosphere of pressure, including cameras showing the inside of the tank. The depth of the Titanic wreck is 3800m; down there the vessel would be subjected to 380 times that pressure. So...probably.
- chrisbolt 3y agoHow exactly can we compare these? The controlled vacuum implosion is 1 atmosphere outside and “a vacuum” inside, which would approach 0 atmospheres. The Titan is 380 atmospheres outside and 1 atmosphere inside. 380/1 is easy to calculate, but how do you calculate 1/~0?
- thereisnospork 3y agoIt's not 380/1, it's 380-1. 379bar of dp vs 1bar dp. So 379 times worse, ish.
- winrid 3y agoLikely crushed and incinerated into ash (air will get very hot) all in less than 100ms.
- chakintosh 3y agoYes. Mythbusters did an episode showing what happens to a human body under deep sea implosion > https://youtu.be/LEY3fN4N3D8 https://youtu.be/LEY3fN4N3D8 It's ugly.
- calyth2018 3y agoIt's ugly, it's only at 300ft, and it's an equivalent of a leaking valve, so they're not going from inside atmosphere to outside pressure in an instant. At their depth, where presumably the carbon fibre let go, it's probably a lot faster too. At least they won't be able to even register what's going on.
- Sylamore 3y agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD7CfnQC5HQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD7CfnQC5HQ Watch how quickly those glass objects imploded as much lower pressures than they would have been at, it would have happened faster than their brains could have comprehended it, so there's some mercy in that at least.