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LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes
- zbjornson 3y agoCalifornia residents, here's the data deletion form: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california
- vineyardmike 3y agoIs there any downsides to deleting or opting out? Eg if you opt out of credit agencies then you have trouble getting credit cards and loans.
- JohnFen 3y agoI don't think that it's meaningfully possible to opt out or delete, so this is a purely academic question.
- vineyardmike 3y agoYou can factually opt out AND delete the data if you’re a California resident - as specified by the above link.
- JohnFen 3y agoNot to a great enough degree, though. Just try opting out of the major data collectors, such as LN or credit rating agencies, and see how that goes. Also, it does nothing for people who aren't in California. California's law is much better than nothing, but it's not as good as the GDPR and the GDPR isn't really adequate.
- dalrympm 3y agoThanks for this. Sadly, but not surprisingly, it is broken with the following error: "A system error has occurred and we are not able to process your request. Please try again later."
- teachrdan 3y agoI got that same message (twice!), but got a confirmation email a few minutes later.
- meragrin_ 3y agoThis is likely largely useless unless they have significant private sources of data. Publicly available data is exempt from deletion. https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d
- bubblethink 3y agoThis form asks for your address, ssn, etc. I'm wary of giving this type of a company more information than they may already have. It's like those opt out email links where you need to enter your email address. Are you opting in or opting out ?
- roody15 3y agoDoes anyone think this just applies to migrants and ICE agents? We are already moving into a minority report style future … or maybe better said we are racing towards it now.
- throwaway12245 3y agohttps://www.wired.co.uk/article/fbi-google-geofence-warrant-january-6?utm_social-type=owned&utm_brand=wired&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&mbid=social_twitter https://www.wired.co.uk/article/fbi-google-geofence-warrant-... : A Peek Inside the FBI’s Unprecedented January 6 Geofence Dragnet
- deepsquirrelnet 3y agoI was flagrantly misidentified by Lexis Nexis and subsequently a recipient of a pittance resulting from a class action lawsuit many years later. I had to pay for and live out of hotels for several weeks due to their background check connecting me to a person from a state I had never lived in with a middle name and middle initial that was not even same. The most dystopian part of this is that they aren’t good at the service they provide, don’t have competition or incentive to be, and as a result, people will get caught up in their destructive wake. Fully expecting The Trial to manifest in real life.
- sidewndr46 3y agoOne of those salary check services they run has me working as a Civil Engineer in upstate New York, while I was in high school.
- landemva 3y agoThis is an example of how bad data makes the system less effective. Privacy via purposeful data pollution.
- varenc 3y agoIf you're in California you can opt-out of all sale of your personal data on LexisNexus here: https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request#california In theory, it's a one-step process, though we'll see. Also if you request information they send it to you over snail-mail.
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y agoPrevious poster stated: This is likely largely useless unless they have significant private sources of data. Publicly available data is exempt from deletion. https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d
- quantum_state 3y agoHorrible … it should be brought to justice …
- qingcharles 3y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine
- sacnoradhq 3y agoNo surprise. The intelligence apparatus uses illegally intercepted data to report crimes to law enforcement who then find parallel constructions to avoid disclosure of intelligence sources and methods. Now we're entering the territory of precrime and making accusations based on correlation and AI rather than evidence, but with a commercial interest akin to for-profit prisons.
- lost_tourist 3y agoWhen are gonna get a new law that bans the practice of buying dragnet information from private sources? I can understand warrants for a person or small group but buying information on millions of Americans? That's just bypassing the 4th amendment because the founding fathers obviously didn't know about the internet. It's pretty obvious what the fkn intent of the 4 and 5th amendments are, though.
- genmud 3y agoIf you are giving data to someone, or having data produced about you, it is a good assumption at this point that someone is trading it, selling it or monetizing it. With no effective data ownership or privacy legislation in the US, it will continue to be that way.
- droopyEyelids 3y agoLexis nexis is way beyond what you’re describing. Its basically a company that forms dossiers on every person, even if they had no digital footprint. It combines every source of public data possible, and even includes court records that are sealed or expunged
- genmud 3y agoNo, it's exactly what I'm describing... courts generate data about you, someone (LN as an example) slurps it up. Buy a house, deed gets recorded, data gets generated and someone slurps it up. Buy a product with a CC. All of the half dozen to dozen vendors involved in the transaction will generate data about you and sell/trade the data to other people. Sure, LN might have some really good profiles, but there are so, so many companies doing the similar things.
- NickC25 3y agoHow does it have access to sealed court records? I thought the whole point of "sealed" meant that the contents of the case were off-limits to the public for any and all reasons
- vorticalbox 3y agoIn this case they are probably just keeping a record of the fact you have a sealed record.
- droopyEyelids 3y agoThey are off limit to the public, but if at one time they werent then lexis scooped them up.
- ttctciyf 3y agoSomewhat related, the anonymously sourced and unprovenanced document "PROTON, CLEARWATER and Lexis-Nexis"[1] provided to cryptome August 2013 in the wake of the Snowden revelation of "parallel construction" - though not itself from Snowden as far as we know - has the following: > All members of the Intelligence Community have access to LEXIS-NEXIS. [...] All domestic law enforcement has access to LEXIS-NEXIS, its a fundamental investigative tool. IRS, DOJ, Treasury, Local PD, Sheriffs Office all have a LEXIS-NEXIS access or the means to pull data from them. > [...] Imagine your a citizen in New York and you get surveilled by one of the numerous surveillance technicians the NYPD has fielded since 9-11 , a quick look-up via mobile device or WiFi and they know who you are now. > So, a Special Agent or analyst simply runs the selectors in PROTON and CLEARWATER, then runs those names or other biographic/vital information again in LEXIS-NEXIS, all that data related to the TARGET is exported in Analyst Notebook format, those files are imported into the Analyst Notebook application and...viola!...a relatively complete social network and biographics of the TARGET. That could be you of course. > [...] The DOJ and Intelligence Community access LEXIS-NEXIS through a VPN and a proxy (government). A DOD proxy is registered to the Virginia Contracting Office, but it's a non-logging proxy so, good luck in your discovery. LEXIS-NEXIS has no idea of the individual accessing it's database and, according to the spokesperson, does not maintain logs of government clients. A subpoena cannot discover what is not there. "PROTON" and "CLEARWATER" are explained as follows: > PROTON is a storage and analysis system of telecommunications selectors at the TS/SI/FISA/ORCON/NOFORN level of classification and handling. PROTON is the program name as well as the name of the technology. It has been described as "SAP-like", and I suspect that PROTON was once a DEA special program. PROTON is well known in HUMINT and DOJ clandestine law enforcement. It remains the primary, if not fundamental, tool of HUMINT and DOJ law enforcement operations, both of which have considerable overlap in phenomenology and methodology. PROTON carries the FISA caveat because Top Secret FISA collection is contained in PROTON's massive database. > Through my professional associations within the Intelligence Community, I became aware of a Department of Justice (DOJ) system called CLEARWATER. CLEARWATER is similar to PROTON but at the SECRET/NOFORN level of classification and exclusively a DOJ program, where PROTON is CIA, DOJ and DOD. Most DOJ Special Agents and analysts do not have Top Secret clearance. Every informant is run through CLEARWATER, every witness gets vetted through the system. Over the last 10 years I've sporadically searched for any sign this document has been investigated or debunked, with no result. I still find it pretty interesting. 1: https://cryptome.org/2013/08/proton-clearwater-lexis-nexis.htm https://cryptome.org/2013/08/proton-clearwater-lexis-nexis.h...
- ruined 3y agowho is even capable of escaping this kind of thing? what would it take to stop things like this, and prevent them from happening again? it seems impossible to even slow down
- flangola7 3y agoLegislation. What is there to keep a food company from lying about the ingredients in their products? How could you stop it, unless you have a personal chemistry lab? You stop it by having people who constantly watch how you do business, and if you do it in a harmful way men with guns will come and shut down your business and take a lot of money out of your vault. If it was exceptionally harmful or you resisted or if you tried to start up again, the men with guns will come take you and place you in a concrete room against your will.
- TechBro8615 3y ago> What is there to keep a food company from lying about the ingredients in their products? Food companies are not part of the "intelligence community," and there are significant disparities between enforcement of and compliance with the rules that each must follow. To the degree that food companies are even scared of the FDA (and not just willing to risk an inconsequential fine), it's because they know the FDA has strict guidelines and a history of enforcing rule violations that can kill an entire product line. Whereas the intelligence community is subject to no such oversight, other than some nominal finger wagging by a group of senators (some of whom may even be spied on, blackmailed and coerced by the very agencies they oversee). There is a documented history of the NSA lying directly to congress about the scope and breadth of its surveillance programs, including falsely denying illegal activity. Given that evidence, it seems optimistic, bordering on naive, to trust that law enforcement agencies will respect legislation that restricts their ability to do what they consider to be their job, especially when nobody has been sent to jail for their criminality and deceit. Why would they bother following the law if there are no consequences to breaking it? It's easier for them to obfuscate and argue semantics than it is to fundamentally alter their methods of intelligence collection.
- wefarrell 3y agoIt's pretty crazy that our legislators and courts haven't addressed this loophole that allows law enforcement agencies to buy data that they can't legally collect. This essentially nullifies the fourth amendment.
- Analemma_ 3y agoidlewords said a long time ago that "If the data is gathered at all, the government can get to it; whether it is on private or public servers is an irrelevant implementation detail. The only way to keep data out of government hands is to not collect it". Nobody wanted to listen to this because taking it seriously would mean tearing down large portions of the ad infrastructure that keeps the tech industry humming. But he was still right even if nobody wants to admit it.
- activiation 3y agoFor emails in the cloud, and probably other data, they don't need a warrant if it's 6 months or older anyways. So they probably can force them to give it out for free. But either way they have a black budget so we are fucked in many ways. https://emailserverprovider.com/emails-texts-documents-older-than-6-months-no-warrant-needed-to-read-if-stored-on-remote-server-aka-the-cloud/ https://emailserverprovider.com/emails-texts-documents-older...
- qingcharles 3y agoIt's no longer that black and white since US v. Carpenter. It needs someone to try it again. In that case SCOTUS did cite Warshak[1], which while not binding over the whole nation, is persuasive and clearly the older 2018 SCOTUS showed their potential interest in ending the Third Party Doctrine: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third-party_doctrine [1] https://www.huntonprivacyblog.com/2010/12/17/court-finds-fourth-amendment-protects-email-privacy/ https://www.huntonprivacyblog.com/2010/12/17/court-finds-fou...
- droopyEyelids 3y agoALPR Automatic License Plate Readers are a significant portion of this article, and they raise a lot of questions in my mind. If the police have access to realtime info on the location of all vehicles, how is auto theft still a thing? How are gangs stealing $100k worth of tools from hardware stores and driving away scott free? Are we just at a time before wide use of the data ALPRs provide?
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoMaybe the stolen cars are taken to a chop shop or ditched before the owner even realizes it has been stolen.
- jstarfish 3y agoI'm not too familiar with trends in auto theft, but do know around coastal areas your stolen car (truck, usually) goes straight into a shipping container. Thieves do not stop to fuck with swapping plates or any of that Hollywood stuff, they do not care about every ALPR camera in the city watching them drive it across town-- this isn't CSI, nobody's watching those cameras and readying the chopper. That vehicle is getting shipped off to the South Pacific as fast as possible, long before anybody can be bothered to get a warrant to search a foreign container ship for a random container among thousands that might contain a stolen late-model Tacoma. Same with those recycle-your-phone kiosks in the mall. You can find-my-stolen-iPhone all the way to it, but the vendor empties the tray and ships the collected phones to a parts shop in Brazil every night, before the cops can get a warrant to open it themselves. Crime pays when you think globally.
- droopyEyelids 3y agoIn Chicago most stolen cars are used either to joyride or to do a theft of some kind. In both cases ALPRs would be useful to prevent it.
- mhb 3y agoDon't the chop shop locations show up at the hub of stolen car paths when the ALPR data is used retrospectively for cars reported as stolen?
- AdmiralAsshat 3y agoIt's funny, because growing up I thought LexisNexis were just one of those guys I'd use to find academic articles from the school library system, like JSTOR. Then I got employed by the collections industry straight out of college and found out what skiptracing is. There used to be quite a few skiptracing vendors: Accurint, Banko, FastData, to name a few. LexisNexis bought all of them. I imagine that the dossier they have on the average person dwarfs what the credit bureaus have.
- Mountain_Skies 3y agoYou can get a free copy of what LexisNexis has on you, just like you can with your credit report. The difference is that the LexisNexis report is book thick for most people. The amount of information far exceeds what the credit bureaus have. In my case, quite a bit of it was wrong but adjacent. It thought I owned a huge commercial building, which was actually owned by the developer of a condo I owned in another part of town. It also showed me making an insurance claim for hail damage on my brother's house. My brother actually did make a claim for hail damage and I did live with him, but that was several years after the insurance claim.
- JohnFen 3y ago> just like you can with your credit report Something I literally have never been able to do, despite tons of trying.
- in_vestor 3y agoWould you be willing to list what categories of data are in that file?
- mattw2121 3y agohttps://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request https://consumer.risk.lexisnexis.com/request
- jandrese 3y agoThis is what makes it concerning when it is used by law enforcement. Way too many people have been railroaded by the system due to bad data, especially poor people who can't afford a good lawyer. If the judges, lawyers, and especially juries are told that LexisNexis is a reliable source of information because the prosecution wants to get that conviction they could send innocent people to jail.
- getcrunk 3y agoDoes this have like a option to email them to delete all your data, prolly not huh?
- brewdad 3y agoThe option is always there. I can guarantee nothing will happen if you try.
- chimeracoder 3y ago> Does this have like a option to email them to delete all your data, prolly not huh? Not really. There's a process for suppressing data, but it's not a viable option for most people. From the "LexisNexis Individual Requests for Information Suppression Policy (Non-FCRA Opt-out Policy)" https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/privacy/for-consumers/opt-out-of-lexisnexis.page https://www.lexisnexis.com/en-us/privacy/for-consumers/opt-o... > Documentation Required for Suppression Requests > Requests for suppression from restricted public records products must include documentation substantiating the risk of physical harm or the individual's status as an identity theft victim. LexisNexis reserves the right to determine, in its sole reasonable discretion, what documentation meets this criteria. If your suppression request is not approved we will promptly inform you about that determination. > * If you are a victim of identity theft, submit a copy of a police report documenting the identity theft or documentation that verifies the identity theft claim such as a letter from your credit card company, and an Identity Theft Affidavit; or > * If you are a law enforcement officer or public official, submit a letter from your supervisor stating that your position exposes you to a threat of death or serious bodily harm; or > * If you are at risk of physical harm but do not work in law enforcement, submit a copy of a court protective order, a copy of a police report or similar documentation such as a letter from a shelter administrator or a health care professional
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y agoPrevious poster stated: This is likely largely useless unless they have significant private sources of data. Publicly available data is exempt from deletion. https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa#heading5d
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