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Its beyond me why one would move away from Reddit due to changes in the API pricing making it hard (but not impossible) for 3rd party apps ... to discord, whic

• koolba 3y ago
  Even the HTML sites I tried manage to suck even more than Reddit. I didn’t think it was possible, but they’re even worse than “new” Reddit.
• littlestymaar 3y ago
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  • dewey 3y ago
    At least Reddit is a walled garden compared to a walled silo that is Discord and can't be searched or discovered.
    • littlestymaar 3y ago
      Except Reddit's management has made it pretty clear that Reddit is in fact a walled-time-bomb, everything you love about Reddit can be blown with a 2 months notice (if any, I'm not aware of any notice before they removed i.reddit.com earlier this year).
      • dewey 3y ago
        They make money through ads, closing off traffic coming in through search engines doesn't really sound realistic.
  • rglullis 3y ago
    Except that there are plenty of other gardens out there that do not have any of the fundamental issues that exist on Reddit/Discord.
• CamelCaseName 3y ago
  This whole thing has been about: [1] Reddit not building the needed tools for its free labor and relying on third parties to do it for them, then taking those tools away without providing another option [2] Disrespecting moderators and powerusers by insulting them ("landed gentry"), creating incentives for them to scab on each other, and being threatening and doublehanded at every turn, if not outright lying. [3] A decade of broken promises on feature development, trust n safety failures, half baked features that no one asked for that end up shut down. [4] Breaking the illusion that users ever owned their data (posts, comments) and communities. Not all these reasons apply to everyone, but at least one of them applies to most people protesting. Reddit has built up so much bad will. They could have been a great steward of the internet (and made money doing it!), but instead they decided to attack their community of moderators (the same insult they hurl at moderators, saying they are attacking their community of users!) Discord, for its faults, does not have the same issues.
  • ornornor 3y ago
    > Discord, for its faults, does not have the same issues. Yet. Reddit was a friend when Digg died. Any closed platform can do whatever they want whenever they want and as soon as they decide to start making money. I wouldn’t trust discord to not pull a Reddit in a few years. Not. Your. Platform. Not. Your. Content.
    • aflag 3y ago
      Discord already makes it very clear you don't own the data in the platform, but you do have a lot of freedom to moderate as you please.
      • inhumantsar 3y ago
        For now
        • ipaddr 3y ago
          Exactly same scene playing out with a different timeline. Anyone using discord and complaining about the reddit changes must be new to all of this
• xmodem 3y ago
  Discord's enshitifcation is going to be brutal.
  • Tarq0n 3y ago
    They took a lot of VC investment so it seems almost inevitable.
  • chongli 3y ago
    I don’t think so. Discord is already enshitified enough that people won’t rely on it to the same degree. For example, you’ll never see people appending discord to random search queries because it’s closed off to search engines anyway, so that doesn’t do anything. As others have mentioned, discord is highly ephemeral, so you won’t see people depend on it much as a repository of long-term knowledge. It’s a chat server for throwaway discussions and meeting people for gaming.
    • noirscape 3y ago
      Hate to be the breaker of bad news, but a lot of niche libraries and communities (especially modding communities) have foregone documentation in favor of discord chats since they're keeping their message storage for a relatively long time. So it is a problem.
  • neolefty 3y ago
    It could become as low quality as some of my SMS threads!
• vmfunction 3y ago
  Sounds like Reddit need to have a RSS feed or rethink their business model. Maybe Reddit will just be a type of social benefiting site that doesn't rely on a business model. Don't know what the VCs that funded them will think though.
  • haunter 3y ago
    >Sounds like Reddit need to have a RSS feed Reddit does have RSS feed for almost everything (posts, comments, users)
  • Euphorbium 3y ago
    Thats what tildes is.
    • dorfsmay 3y ago
      This is the first time I hear of https://tildes.net/ https://tildes.net/! After a cursory look, it looks like what Reddit should have been and maybe where we all should move to.
  • lost_tourist 3y ago
    RSS is basically dead for the general populous, why would reddit need to rethink their business model based on RSS?
  • amazing_stories 3y ago
    I use RSS for Reddit and don't plan to ever log in again. This latest upheaval reminded me I was spending too much time there and after taking a break I've realized most of the content is garbage. Now Reddit is just another feed to a site I don't participate in (like the cesspool that is Slashdot).
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• lawn 3y ago
  And it doesn't make sense as Discord doesn't even work like Reddit does. With Reddit you have posts and comments, but with Discord you have an ongoing discussion. With Reddit communication is async, but with Discord it's live. I even use Discord, but the forum model is superior for almost all interactions I'm interested in.
  • award_ 3y ago
    I felt like this is what I am missing as well from many of these subs going to discord. It might make some sense for meme subs and such, but not for the vast majority of subs.
  • dsir 3y ago
    I agree. While Discord brings some unique community tooling aspects to the table, it does not fit the forum model given the data is walled off. I've been working on a platform that's sort of like a Reddit/Discord/Patreon hybrid that combines the feature set of Discord with the discovery and threaded style of discussion of Reddit. Here's an example community: https://sociables.com/community/Sports/board/trending https://sociables.com/community/Sports/board/trending
• HWR_14 3y ago
  Jumping away from Reddit is jumping off a sinking ship. Enshitification will continue and accelerate. Meanwhile, I have no idea why I care about discord content not being visible on search engines.
• RHSeeger 3y ago
  The part that gets me is that they serve totally different use cases. Reddit is a message board; people post things and then discuss them over a period of time. Discord is a chat program; any thing discussed "in the past" (more than 5 minutes ago) is pretty much gone, and it's almost impossible to follow "a discussion thread". Discord is absolutely awful for anything but live discussion. And Reddit is anything but live discussion.
  • RDaneel0livaw 3y ago
    This is exactly why I cringe when any company support or communities say “check out our discord!” Which equals to me “you’ll never find anything and we don’t care!”
  • pgm8705 3y ago
    Discord does has a "Forum" mode for channels. I cannot for the life of me figure out why no servers seem to use it. Trying to follow conversations or find useful info in a normal chat channel is incredibly frustrating.
    • programzeta 3y ago
      The forum (as well as ‘stage’ and ‘announcement’) feature requires changing to a “community” instance which has some other strings attached. AFAICT long-running servers would never know the new setting is available.
• whywhywhywhy 3y ago
  People like the Discord app, for now. Of course it will eventually go the same way new Reddit did and as every social media platform does.
  • mrweasel 3y ago
    Exactly, I have no beef with Discord, but it's the same funding model as the rest of them and that's the part that's broken. Reddit for its part could have contacted the 3. party developers and asked them to switch to a model where users authenticate with the API individually and billed the users of the apps individually if it's a cost issue. They didn't, because that's not actually the "problem" they are trying to fix. The majority of Reddit users don't care though, just as the Discord users don't care that search engines can't find the content. Louis Rossmann was right, the Reddit blackout is a joke and Reddit has already won. The people who are moving is the minority and perhaps not worth much in Reddits ad financed doom scrolling reality. It's a weird time where things that could be a service would rather sell ads, things that should be a standard alone products is a subscription and the products that used to be ad supported is dying because ads space is cheap.
    • noirbot 3y ago
      I do think Discord has a better story when it comes to it being able to monetize cleanly. They have clear and useful features to sell, and have done so decently successfully as far as I know. It's not to say that they won't get worse, but they seem to be starting from a better baseline understanding between them and their users about what's on offer. They've also just got a better baseline product and seem to be taking better care of it than Reddit ever did.
• Roark66 3y ago
  Exactly. I've been advocating for people to move their communities to self hosted servers for quite some time. At the end of the day reddit doesn't serve video. Hosting bills would be cheap and cheerful with as much API access as the community wants. But discord? Oh my!
• kitsunesoba 3y ago
  Discord is convenient and polished, plus there’s only one Discord and many already have an account there. I don’t agree that it’s a good alternative to Reddit but I can see why people might find it more appealing than something like a Lemmy instance. I think federated social media can become more appealing but to do so it’s going to have become extremely well-polished and full of features to overcome the need to choose an instance and register an account. There’s not much room for rough edges.
• JeremyNT 3y ago
  Yeah, it's quite strange. Not only in the fact that it's even more closed and walled off than Reddit (as you correctly note), but it's not even the same "type" - Discord is an IRC-type, not a newsgroup-type. It's just plain weird in the context of a reddit alternative.
• duped 3y ago
  It's not about the API pricing, it's about killing the only decent apps for browsing the website. Reddit needs 3P apps because their app sucks. Discord doesn't because their app doesn't.
• jml78 3y ago
  I have been on reddit since digg did their redesign. For the past many years I have only used the Apollo mobile app. I have zero desire to switch to the official app as it is awful. Apollo is reddit to me so instead, I will be hanging out here more and kbin.social
• add-sub-mul-div 3y ago
  Discord has a good official client, Reddit no longer has any good client. Of course, the wheel of enshittening could land on Discord someday. But for now it's a pleasure to use while Reddit is a chore. Conversation doesn't have to be visible on search engines. The last thing I did on Reddit was to remove all my comments anyway. If I can feel more anonymous and ephemeral on Discord that's not a bad thing.
• INTPenis 3y ago
  Looking at the twitch stream of the reddit protest you can tell that most people have no idea what the hell is going on. They have no idea that they're not paying for a free service, they have no idea what this means for users of a free centralized service, and all they really want is to hang out somewhere and feel empowered.
• cyanydeez 3y ago
  User experience. Reddits API allow tailored presentation. Where they went is irrelevant.