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>An investigator with the local police department blamed the collision on the truck driver, who was initially charged with negligent homicide, though charges we

by jmclnx 3y ago

>An investigator with the local police department blamed the collision on the truck driver, who was initially charged with negligent homicide, though charges were eventually dropped I wonder why. Another issue is the size of trucks. The state where I lived: * Truck size was limited, large trucks were only allowed on one Highway. Goods were transferred to smaller Trucks for transport to factories. * Driving trucks on Sundays was not allowed. * Large Trucks were not allowed on City Streets. Since this happened it is open season on bicycle riders. Reagan de-regulated and Trucks can be any size, plus they can clog the roads on Sunday. The last item I do not know when it was enabled, but it happened after Reagan. I now heard of trucks with 3 trailers but never saw one. I think it is about time we limit sizes to what existed on the 60s. If you need 3 trailers, time to go back to freight trains.

cafard 3y ago
Trucking deregulation began several months before Reagan was elected.
JimtheCoder 3y ago
"If you need 3 trailers, time to go back to freight trains." Trains can only run on train tracks. The tracks/train stations don't always go close to where the freight needs to go. It is bordering on impossible to build new rail infrastructure to get freight where it needs to go. It takes a lot longer to ship something on a train than on a truck. Add on the fact that transport in general is getting more expensive, and I don't think more regulations on trucking is the right answer. Just install the guards on the side of trailers and be done with it...
- hattmall 3y ago
  The answer is more, smaller, trucks / vans. If trucking creates jobs then a great way to create MORE jobs is to have smaller trucks. With smaller loads you lower the element of danger as well as lowering the barrier to entry. Additionally with smaller loads transfer's can be accomplished much more quickly with smaller equipment. Hot shot trucking is already pretty popular and typically works out to be cheaper. The idea overall idea would be an expansion of the interior ports network with loads small enough that drivers can self service.
  - bryanrasmussen 3y ago
    >The answer is more, smaller, trucks / vans. leading to more resource usage?
- 8note 3y ago
  Trucking is expensive. If you care about cost, you're gonna trade off time to use a more cost efficient method, like a train. Where trucks do have the advantage is truckers though. You can saddle them with debt and take all their money as varying fees, then reposses their home and get some new rube to take out a loan to buy it from you. The truckers are plentiful, and willing to bleed our for a couple crumbs, which is a much better deal than trains where the conductors are union employees. It's much harder to make them take out debt to pay you more
- katbyte 3y ago
  Nothing is cheaper or more efficient and green then shipping by rail. We used to have an amazing rail network in NA (eu still does) and we basically have letf it fall into ruin and become a shell of what would constitute a functioning railway. It literally has done everything possible to kill passenger rail and make shipping via rail painful / unreliable. If we had not trucking wouldn’t be the only option and we would be better for it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkYNjADoZg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkYNjADoZg
  - AdamN 3y ago
    Actually US freight train system is ahead of EU. It's just the passenger system that's broken.
  - midasuni 3y ago
    The US shifts the same order of magnitude of goods by train as trucks The EU shifts about 10 times by truck as by train Rail freight in the US is praiseworthy.
    - katbyte 3y ago
      > Rail freight in the US is praiseworthy. watch the video and get back to me on that statement.
  - kortilla 3y ago
    The US has a better freight rail system than the EU. It’s why passenger trains suck. We inverted the priorities.
- Gordonjcp 3y ago
  You just have a multimodal container, that you lift off a train car and onto an artic trailer. This is a solved problem.
jffry 3y ago
How is prohibiting truck transport on Sunday good for other road users? You'd be eliminating 14% of hours in the week, which means a corresponding higher density of trucks on non-Sunday days
- DropInIn 3y ago
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- kazinator 3y ago
  Plus, if you don't like truck drivers, why would you want more of them in heaven with you?
- gambiting 3y ago
  Coming from countries where truck transport is not allowed on Sundays - it's great. Means that if you're going with your family somewhere on Sunday it's very quiet on the roads. Also awesome for long distance driving, always plan those for a Sunday and the traffic flows much smoother. As for the idea that it moves the traffic to other days - no it doesn't, because a lot of that traffic wouldn't be driving on Sunday anyway - most businesses are closed on Sundays anyway.
  - oh_sigh 3y ago
    Perhaps traffic flows smoother because there is just less traffic altogether on Sunday. And anyway, who is operating these trucks that would be driving on Sunday if it was legal, but instead don't drive at all? If trucks aren't driving on Sunday anyway then there is little need to ban them.
    - explorer83 3y ago
      I believe there is less truck driving here on Sundays even though it is legal because truckers try to take days off and see family too.
  - brookst 3y ago
    Isn't this just a somewhat arbitrary benefit for people who have Sundays free? Lots of people have to work Sundays. It seems like a lottery that some people will benefit from and some will suffer from, for no good reason.
kazinator 3y ago
> The truck edged out of a driveway and began, slowly, to turn left onto the road, blocking traffic in both directions. It was as if someone had erected a big steel wall. I'm guessing that the charges were likely dropped because they couldn't prove that the truck suddenly entered a lane of traffic, having no right-of-way, and leaving the oncoming vehicle no time to stop.
cyberax 3y ago
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- tantalor 3y ago
  > barely better than a running speed of an Alzheimer's patient. wtf
  - thsksbd 3y ago
    Its a rhetorical device. Certainly effective, you got the picture
- conradev 3y ago
  Someone is working on it: https://www.fastcompany.com/90713785/former-spacex-engineers-raised-50-million-to-build-a-tesla-for-freight-trains https://www.fastcompany.com/90713785/former-spacex-engineers...
  - cyberax 3y ago
    Yeah, I'm watching them, but I doubt they'll succeed. Railways are not interested in them succeeding.
    - gnarbarian 3y ago
      "we've always done it this way" I hate this mindset
      - CRConrad 3y ago
        Most of the time, though, there are lots of good reasons we've always done it this way.
- fzeroracer 3y ago
  > so the resulting effective speed is often barely better than a running speed of an Alzheimer's patient. What exactly kind of comparison is this?
briffle 3y ago
> I now heard of trucks with 3 trailers but never saw one. In Oregon, they are only allowed on I-5 between Eugene and Portland, must be less than 105 feet total, and not allowed at night, weekends, holidays, etc. They use shorter trailers.. but man, that last trailer is doing lots of swaying back and forth..
akira2501 3y ago
> Reagan de-regulated and Trucks can be any size, plus they can clog the roads on Sunday. The last item I do not know when it was enabled, but it happened after Reagan. If you want federal highway money, then your highways need to conform to federal standards. These standards allow for trailers up to 53' in length and up to 80,000lbs to operate without any prior authorization as long as they otherwise conform to vehicle standards. States are always free to turn down the money and enact whatever standards they like; however, the standards seem incredibly reasonable to me and not at all something you can simply blame on a single President passing laws sent to him by Congress. States also have the task of enforcing laws on the highway and can operate commercial vehicle checkpoints. > I now heard of trucks with 3 trailers but never saw one. [...] time to go back to freight trains. You're still limited by overall length. FedEx will often operate two short trailers in an articulated tandem. They do this for what I hope are obvious reasons that cannot be fulfilled by rail transport.

by jmclnx 3y ago

cafard 3y ago

Trucking deregulation began several months before Reagan was elected.

JimtheCoder 3y ago

"If you need 3 trailers, time to go back to freight trains." Trains can only run on train tracks. The tracks/train stations don't always go close to where the freight needs to go. It is bordering on impossible to build new rail infrastructure to get freight where it needs to go. It takes a lot longer to ship something on a train than on a truck. Add on the fact that transport in general is getting more expensive, and I don't think more regulations on trucking is the right answer. Just install the guards on the side of trailers and be done with it...

hattmall 3y ago
The answer is more, smaller, trucks / vans. If trucking creates jobs then a great way to create MORE jobs is to have smaller trucks. With smaller loads you lower the element of danger as well as lowering the barrier to entry. Additionally with smaller loads transfer's can be accomplished much more quickly with smaller equipment. Hot shot trucking is already pretty popular and typically works out to be cheaper. The idea overall idea would be an expansion of the interior ports network with loads small enough that drivers can self service.
- bryanrasmussen 3y ago
  >The answer is more, smaller, trucks / vans. leading to more resource usage?
8note 3y ago
Trucking is expensive. If you care about cost, you're gonna trade off time to use a more cost efficient method, like a train. Where trucks do have the advantage is truckers though. You can saddle them with debt and take all their money as varying fees, then reposses their home and get some new rube to take out a loan to buy it from you. The truckers are plentiful, and willing to bleed our for a couple crumbs, which is a much better deal than trains where the conductors are union employees. It's much harder to make them take out debt to pay you more
katbyte 3y ago
Nothing is cheaper or more efficient and green then shipping by rail. We used to have an amazing rail network in NA (eu still does) and we basically have letf it fall into ruin and become a shell of what would constitute a functioning railway. It literally has done everything possible to kill passenger rail and make shipping via rail painful / unreliable. If we had not trucking wouldn’t be the only option and we would be better for it https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkYNjADoZg https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jNkYNjADoZg
- AdamN 3y ago
  Actually US freight train system is ahead of EU. It's just the passenger system that's broken.
- midasuni 3y ago
  The US shifts the same order of magnitude of goods by train as trucks The EU shifts about 10 times by truck as by train Rail freight in the US is praiseworthy.
  - katbyte 3y ago
    > Rail freight in the US is praiseworthy. watch the video and get back to me on that statement.
- kortilla 3y ago
  The US has a better freight rail system than the EU. It’s why passenger trains suck. We inverted the priorities.
Gordonjcp 3y ago
You just have a multimodal container, that you lift off a train car and onto an artic trailer. This is a solved problem.

jffry 3y ago

How is prohibiting truck transport on Sunday good for other road users? You'd be eliminating 14% of hours in the week, which means a corresponding higher density of trucks on non-Sunday days

DropInIn 3y ago
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kazinator 3y ago
Plus, if you don't like truck drivers, why would you want more of them in heaven with you?
gambiting 3y ago
Coming from countries where truck transport is not allowed on Sundays - it's great. Means that if you're going with your family somewhere on Sunday it's very quiet on the roads. Also awesome for long distance driving, always plan those for a Sunday and the traffic flows much smoother. As for the idea that it moves the traffic to other days - no it doesn't, because a lot of that traffic wouldn't be driving on Sunday anyway - most businesses are closed on Sundays anyway.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Perhaps traffic flows smoother because there is just less traffic altogether on Sunday. And anyway, who is operating these trucks that would be driving on Sunday if it was legal, but instead don't drive at all? If trucks aren't driving on Sunday anyway then there is little need to ban them.
  - explorer83 3y ago
    I believe there is less truck driving here on Sundays even though it is legal because truckers try to take days off and see family too.
- brookst 3y ago
  Isn't this just a somewhat arbitrary benefit for people who have Sundays free? Lots of people have to work Sundays. It seems like a lottery that some people will benefit from and some will suffer from, for no good reason.

kazinator 3y ago

> The truck edged out of a driveway and began, slowly, to turn left onto the road, blocking traffic in both directions. It was as if someone had erected a big steel wall. I'm guessing that the charges were likely dropped because they couldn't prove that the truck suddenly entered a lane of traffic, having no right-of-way, and leaving the oncoming vehicle no time to stop.

cyberax 3y ago

[flagged]

tantalor 3y ago
> barely better than a running speed of an Alzheimer's patient. wtf
- thsksbd 3y ago
  Its a rhetorical device. Certainly effective, you got the picture
conradev 3y ago
Someone is working on it: https://www.fastcompany.com/90713785/former-spacex-engineers-raised-50-million-to-build-a-tesla-for-freight-trains https://www.fastcompany.com/90713785/former-spacex-engineers...
- cyberax 3y ago
  Yeah, I'm watching them, but I doubt they'll succeed. Railways are not interested in them succeeding.
  - gnarbarian 3y ago
    "we've always done it this way" I hate this mindset
    - CRConrad 3y ago
      Most of the time, though, there are lots of good reasons we've always done it this way.
fzeroracer 3y ago
> so the resulting effective speed is often barely better than a running speed of an Alzheimer's patient. What exactly kind of comparison is this?

briffle 3y ago

> I now heard of trucks with 3 trailers but never saw one. In Oregon, they are only allowed on I-5 between Eugene and Portland, must be less than 105 feet total, and not allowed at night, weekends, holidays, etc. They use shorter trailers.. but man, that last trailer is doing lots of swaying back and forth..

akira2501 3y ago

> Reagan de-regulated and Trucks can be any size, plus they can clog the roads on Sunday. The last item I do not know when it was enabled, but it happened after Reagan. If you want federal highway money, then your highways need to conform to federal standards. These standards allow for trailers up to 53' in length and up to 80,000lbs to operate without any prior authorization as long as they otherwise conform to vehicle standards. States are always free to turn down the money and enact whatever standards they like; however, the standards seem incredibly reasonable to me and not at all something you can simply blame on a single President passing laws sent to him by Congress. States also have the task of enforcing laws on the highway and can operate commercial vehicle checkpoints. > I now heard of trucks with 3 trailers but never saw one. [...] time to go back to freight trains. You're still limited by overall length. FedEx will often operate two short trailers in an articulated tandem. They do this for what I hope are obvious reasons that cannot be fulfilled by rail transport.