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r/ProgrammerHumor will be shutting down to protest Reddit's API changes
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- icameron 3y agoI decided to use this as a good excuse to delete Reddit. I find myself going to it too often, and scrolling for too long, and afterwards I feel worse about the direction of humanity and down about the world. I’m not getting anything positive from it so for my own mental heath I’m deleting the app.
- davidktr 3y agoI quit Reddit half a year ago after 15 years of daily usage. 11/10, would quit again.
- kgwxd 3y agoDid you go to extensive lengths to block yourself from easily getting there or just will power?
- ksherlock 3y agoI stopped using reddit about a year ago (shadow banned... no idea why). I deleted everything reddit from my browser history so it wouldn't pop up as a suggestion or auto-complete and that was sufficient.
- surgical_fire 3y agoNot the person you're replying to, but I too left Reddit after being a heavy user for about 7 years. I just stopped using it. I think that calling it will power sounds too dramatic.
- rg111 3y agoI came to hate the experience so much, I didn't even need willpower. The dislike started small, and it grew into a hatred, and it kept increasing until it hit a tipping point. I quit Reddit in one day. I still have a books focused, and a cs/math/programming focused accounts that I use sometimes.
- o1y32 3y agoI quit reddit a while ago and found it very rewarding. I used to argue with people all the time -- yes under subreddits like r/ProgrammerHumor because I disagree with other people's opinions or because their technical understanding is simply wrong -- anyway, it turned out to be a great decision. I realized that most of the time it is pointless to convince other people of anything (people won't admit you are right or don't have the background to understand it), and I should just simply spend my time elsewhere. Most of the memes on ProgrammerHumor are some form of reposts anyway. I spent time on my hobbies and actually reading/learning/trying out new stuff in programming, and my mental health is in a much better place now.
- bmitc 3y agoIt is a bit striking though that even Reddit provides more agency over user data than Hacker News does.
- chongli 3y agoYou must’ve been subscribed to some news/current events related subreddits. My subscriptions are all hobbies and specific games that I’m interested in. Reddit is my escape from all the stuff you mentioned. I use Apollo to browse and comment on my phone. I’m really upset about the API changes. I really want to see people come together with a solution to migrate away from Reddit. Aren’t there any angels out there who would be interested in funding Christian (and/or the developers of other 3rd party Reddit apps) to develop a new back end using the same APIs? Then it would be pretty smooth to move over.
- sebzim4500 3y ago>You must’ve been subscribed to some news/current events related subreddits. Not necessarily. If you really want to lose hope in humanity go to the advice subreddits.
- DoreenMichele 3y agoHow so?
- drain 3y agoEarly this year, I added a blocklist for Reddit on my PC and deleted the app. I did it upon the realization that for me: 1. It was a time waste. It was entertaining, but more often than not, it wasn't useful or helpful at all. Classic short-term gratification. 2. Various issues with how it was run started to frustrate me. Advertising appearing as genuine posts, poor moderation / mod abuse. Also seemed to be a conflict algorithm, outrage and irrational ideas were disproportionately popular compared to real life. The smaller communities on the site were good, I'd like to see them find another place to exist. But yeah, I used to think that self-control and discipline was all that was needed, but creating actual barriers like blocklists etc is actually pretty good.
- dorkwood 3y agoWhat’s the best way to block it on mobile?
- jhonof 3y agoNot OP but I just straight up deleted the play store and internet apps on my android phone using https://adbappcontrol.com/en/ https://adbappcontrol.com/en/. That way I can't download it or just mindlessly browse to it when I'm bored. I have had this setup for a year now and not had any issues needing info or apps when I am away from my computer.
- jchoca 3y agoI just started using this service: https://controld.com/ https://controld.com/ $20 a year and acts as an ad-blocker too. NextDNS is another one. It's nice you don't need to install anything (other than configuring DNS). Using DNS for ad-blocking also avoids the "we noticed you're using an ad-blocker" popups.
- arein3 3y agoDelete the app For browser you can use a domain blocker. Firefox mobile has an extension LeechBlock that can do that.
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- wackget 3y agoYou've gotta remove the default subreddits which are largely dog shit. Seriously, whoever decided that trash like "r/prequelmemes" or even "r/formula1" should qualify to appear on reddit's home page needs to get a new job.
- Macha 3y agoThey moved from curated default subreddits to algorithmic some time ago (with some exclusions for NSFW and controversial subreddits). That said, even the curated selection wasn't always good, I think I remember f7u12 making it to the defaults at one point.
- ziml77 3y agoHaving defaults sucked anyway because any subreddit that ended up on there was almost guaranteed to plummet in quality. IIRC the only subreddit that managed to avoid that (way back when I still used reddit) was /r/science because they had strict moderation to stop it from turning into a mess of image macros and DAE posts.
- aceazzameen 3y agoI hear ya. I haven't been getting anything positive anymore out of Reddit for several years at least. And now I'm getting tired of witnessing their greedy nonsense. I can't support it. I went cold turkey on Twitter last year, and it definitely looks like it's time I do the same for Reddit.
- rg111 3y agoI created multiple reddit accounts- one for programming and math stuff, one for books only, one for general stuff, etc. I quit the general one two years ago because of Reddit's dumb monoculture. I kept visiting math, cs, and book subs. And helped people with high school math concepts, cs book suggestions, etc. As a person born in a middle-of-nowhere smalltown, Reddit added a lot of value to my life. And I tried to do the same to others. I had a good running. All good things end. I am concerned about how it perfectly substitutes Google. Whether I need to search for quirky not-so-famous movies, or I need recommendation for Neuroscience textbooks, I searched Reddit with Google. With subs shutting down and going private, I wonder how longer will this last.
- merdaverse 3y agoI think it depends a lot on the subreddits you subscribe to. I mostly use it for engaging in hobbies that I find rewarding and as long as I moderate the time spent it is not wasted. Same as Youtube. If I had to rank, I would say HN is worse in that regard, as you can't even ignore certain topics
- yakshaving_jgt 3y agoIt’d be nice if the Haskell subreddit found a new home. I don’t know why Reddit is so generally toxic, but it is.
- nerdchum 3y agoIt's because like four moderators control like most of the main subreddits.
- hifromLA 3y agoYou’d be hard pressed to find social media that doesn’t trend towards toxicity, but Reddit in particular seems to have a culture of users that want to feel superior at any cost. They’re always looking to put down others and they’re often rewarded for doing so.
- ipaddr 3y agoI've found it to be overly hostile over the years in any tech sub but also in anything political. Meanwhile the really interesting subs have been push away
- willis936 3y agoIt's the public point system. HN identified this accurately and early.
- l33t233372 3y agoI’m not sure what you mean about HN identifying this. Aren’t HN’s points public?
- diego_moita 3y agoI wish I had a lobste.rs membership now.
- earthscienceman 3y agoI could help you there if you'd like.
- zxexz 3y agoLobste.rs always seemed cool. I've been waiting for them to open up for years. But I guess the invite-only nature may be what makes it what it is?
- rkeene2 3y agoI was a Lobste.rs user for a while, but their admins are very patronizing so I left. One day in 2020, I made several posts (see below) on a variety of topics and because they were all articles or software I had written they couldn't decide if I should be banned, so I left. Writing Your First PAM Module [c] [unix] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/qbsk6y https://lobste.rs/s/qbsk6y hunter2: Smartcard-based password manager [security] [show] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/3rufnm https://lobste.rs/s/3rufnm Build CC: Cross-compile build tool [programming] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/2g4hfh https://lobste.rs/s/2g4hfh Simple SAML Identity Provider Framework (IdP) [programming] [security] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/nrle0e https://lobste.rs/s/nrle0e Roku Reddit [programming] [show] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/nbxufp https://lobste.rs/s/nbxufp Chrome disables support for mandatory features of HTTPS [rant] [web] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/shqzk5 https://lobste.rs/s/shqzk5 HashCache [programming] [show] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/hq2ckd https://lobste.rs/s/hq2ckd sse3-emu [c] [show] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/xekrci https://lobste.rs/s/xekrci Defense Enterprise Linux (2011) [linux] [pdf] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/x5wgwr https://lobste.rs/s/x5wgwr pipethread: It is what it does [pdf] [programming] (rkeene) - https://lobste.rs/s/yu5lfw https://lobste.rs/s/yu5lfw
- SCUSKU 3y agoI'd be interested. What do I need to do?
- dvasdekis 3y agoThe worst part about this is that blind Reddit users are being left completely without a solution, and won't be able to read Reddit at all. Multiple attempts at engagement with Reddit itself have been ignored. See the discussion here: https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_will_close_down_on_june_30th_reddits/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/144f6xm/apollo_w...
- evandale 3y agoThat's why the blackout needs to be permanent. If even 25% of the users have no clue what's happening and thinks Reddit is crapping out for a couple days they'll shrug their shoulders and use it 48 hours later when it's back up. I don't understand what they think they're protesting by timeboxing it .. Reddit can afford wait it out 48 hours and plan for that. I guarantee people are going to get an error they can't view the subreddit without reading why they can't.
- shmatt 3y agoThe mods only power in life is on Reddit. If they give that up they lose everything. Once in a while some crazy stats like 5 mods control 20% of the top 500 subreddits pop up, I’ve never tried to validate but there is definitely a small group with a lot of power among mods Their entire purpose in life is being a Reddit mod, they’re the ones people expect to kill Reddit?
- jdminhbg 3y agoPeople always say that Reddit depends on these mods for free labor, which is true, but there's a reason that the mods do this free labor. They enjoy the power/responsibility/community/whatever they get from it.
- somsak2 3y agoI don't even think it's true. Mods are cheaply replaceable, it's just an expedient dependency right now but not a necessity for them.
- mabbo 3y agoYou know the Digg self destruct was 13 years ago? Time sure does fly. I guess it's time for reddit to complete the cycle as well.
- interestica 3y agoIf 13 years turns out to be some sort of period for this cycle (like cicadas?) maybe we can name it after you.
- riku_iki 3y agowas digg much smaller than reddit today?
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- faeriechangling 3y agoDigg was smaller than subreddits on Reddit today.
- mabbo 3y agoYes, but they were still the biggest player. Reddit took what they gave up and grew from there. I wonder who will take reddits lunch and how far they will go with it.
- doublerabbit 3y agoI wanted too; but my dream idea is still sitting on a post-it note stuck to my desk with a single line in the codebase containing the line of: ;# code starts here written in perl.
- mvdtnz 3y agoDo we need a thread for every subreddit?
- skyyler 3y agoThis is a permanent shutdown, I've only seen temporary ones before. This is a subreddit I look at sometimes, too. So it's pretty relevant, I think.
- bmarquez 3y agoI initially thought this was a dupe of next weeks protest, but no, this is a permanent shutdown.
- PestoDiRucola 3y agoWe get it, a lot of subreddits are going on strike to protest the API changes. I just wish this forum does not become the place-to-be to discuss how much reddit sucks. There's been at least 3-4 stories about the reddit API changes on the frontpage of hackernews for the past week at least.
- codetrotter 3y agoFun fact: Reddit was backed by YC back in the day when they launched. Also, people are probably interested to see if Reddit will collapse or not. And to find out where people will go instead.
- Macha 3y agoFurther, Reddit was arguably the progenitor of HN. My understanding is that HN was basically PG's project when Reddit ported from Lisp to Python to prove you could run that type of site in Lisp still (and also as the proto-community on reddit moved away from tech and startups to more general interest).
- Phrodo_00 3y agoReddit was a Y Combinator startup. It only makes sense people talk about it here. That said, I don't expect this to last long regardless of outcome.
- DiabloD3 3y agoHN might as well just run the headline that Reddit is shutting down permanently. All the major subs are either temporarily or permanently shutting down in protest. Do we have a federated Mastodon-esque system to replace Reddit yet? Its the only way to ensure the community survives at this point; Reddit leadership has already proven they only wish to harm both shareholders and the community at large under the guise of "increasing shareholder value" and shove their fiduciary duty under the bus.
- love2read 3y agoIs mastodon really even taking the spot of twitter?
- jonathankoren 3y agoYes. Twitter is dead.
- willcipriano 3y ago> Posted: 6:00 PM Jun 6, 2023 > 107.7M Views You sure about that? https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419 https://twitter.com/TuckerCarlson/status/1666203439146172419
- afavour 3y agoI agree that Twitter is far from dead but you’re choosing a bad example. > The main Twitter video view metric is triggered when a user watches a video for at least 2 seconds and sees at least 50% of the video player in-view. So anyone that had the (auto playing) video in view for two seconds as they scrolled through their feed. Multiplied by the number of times it’s in their feed. It’s a pretty meaningless number.
- willcipriano 3y agoHow about: > 845.9K Likes > 237.6K Retweets In a day and a half for a ten minute video of a guy in his basement talking. It isn't even a video platform.
- tamrix 3y agoThis will make no difference at all. RIF, Apollo and narwhale apps should all team up and create (or partner up) with a reddit clone. All the founders of these apps just seem oblivious to this. Or maybe there's a dead tight contract they signed or something but I'd do it anyway.
- sb8244 3y agoThe Apollo founder addresses this directly by saying it's just not an interest of his and that it would be a very large undertaking that he isn't wanting to do atm
- SkyPuncher 3y agoIt’s also incredibly risky. You need a tipping point of people on the platform.
- andai 3y agoIf I recall correctly, the first version of reddit had an extra "username" field when admins submitted a post, to make it look as though the site had users.
- zerocrates 3y agoYes they famously did a fake-it-until-you-make-it strategy early on to present a false picture to early adopters of a more vibrant user base.
- deeviant 3y agohttps://tildes.net/ https://tildes.net/
- jumelles 3y agoDo you have any remaining invites?
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- valine 3y agoThere’s a small but real chance that this movement turns into a mass exodus from reddit. Mismanagement can absolutely kill social media companies, and when it happens it happens fast. Take the mass exodus from FreeNode as an example. The thing to watch for is if the admins take control of any major subreddits. That’s what killed FreeNode.
- deeviant 3y agoOr, you know, Digg. Digg's demise was literally the birth of Reddit's popularity, but the lesson was seemingly lost on Reddit "leadership".
- thx-2718 3y agoYet Digg.com for whatever reason still exists. I wonder how these old websites that seemingly no one uses still churn out money?
- sebzim4500 3y agoThe google trends graph is the worst I've ever seen https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=digg&hl=en https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=digg&hl=... EDIT: Note that it's a common slang word in Norwegian, hence why it still appears as a search term there
- thx-2718 3y agoDid you try going there? Inexplicably it's worse than I could have imagined. I found one thread with 9 comments. In the popular section. And it devolved into someone calling another an 'asshole'.
- Firmwarrior 3y agoOK, well, maybe those were some really bland houses
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- tap-snap-or-nap 3y agoGoing back to decentralised individual forums seems like a better idea than centralising and giving control to a few individuals and corporations.
- flyinghamster 3y agoSome of those old phpBB and vBulletin forums never went away. They tend to be ones covering niche subjects, though. We might start seeing more of these with the enshittification of all of today's social media landscape.
- morkalork 3y agoI remember the haydays of phpBB forums back in the early 2000s and I just gotta say that they brought the (mod) drama just as good as any subreddit.
- dargscisyhp 3y agoWhy are API calls less cost-efficient than getting the same information on a browser?
- taspeotis 3y agoUsers in a browser can see ads; the cost is subsidised.
- liotier 3y agoUsers in a browser, with no ad blocking - the five remaining ones...
- sp332 3y agoA lot of third-party apps don't show Reddit's ads.
- websap 3y agoWhy not update the API contract that if you use the Reddit API you need to render the ads? If you don't render the Ads they can come up with some pricing model. Seems like Reddit's pricing is designed by an MBA intern who just joined silicon valley.
- rcxdude 3y agoThat would require the API to also include ad information. I think putting a sensible price on API access would make this a bit simpler, though (and allow for a paid ad-free experience as well). The core issue isn't so much paid API access as the price being so crazy high it can't possibly reflect how much reddit would normally be making from the users of these apps, so instead looks like it is aimed at just shutting down 3rd party apps entirely.
- lumb63 3y agoThese “protests” strike me as strange. Ostensibly, everyone’s goal is for Reddit to reverse their decision. However, I can’t help but think many users want to quit Reddit, and this is the straw that is breaking the camel’s back.
- ThrowawayTestr 3y agoI hate what Reddit has become but there's no good alternatives, aside from rdrama.net
- gnoop 3y agoReddit has its moments but I still enjoy it. It's a fun time sink between sets at the gym or if I'm stuck on a bike pedaling and have tired yet again of Duolingo. That said, I have a tendency to filter a fair bit to avoid the major problems but there's going to be some news that I should hear but is not good news either. I had a chat the other day with a friend. He's deleted the app as he's been on it quite heavily and needed a break. It's certainly something I've heard out of some people. Meanwhile, there's others looking for where the migration is going, assuming a Digg to Reddit type migration.
- mahathu 3y agoIf you're pedaling on a bike you should probably be looking at the road!
- bryancoxwell 3y agoI’ll be honest, HN is the last place I’d expect to find people who underestimate the difficulty of creating a social network, but every single post about Reddit lately has had one or more comments about how the creators of Reddit clients should “just” make their own backend and take their users with them.
- raincole 3y agoIs it hard? Yes. Is it harder than trying to influence Reddit by these "protests"? No, because the later has 0 chance of success.
- toomuchtodo 3y agoThis. As it stands, third party clients are default dead due to Reddit’s decision. You can either accept the need to adapt or accept death. Is it easy? No! Is it necessary? Absolutely.
- bongobingo1 3y agoI wonder if the short time frame on the API changes is influenced by not wanting to give any competitor a runway to spin up an API-compatible endpoint. I.e we want to kill third parties now, not let them run for 5 months and swap api.reddit.com to api.slashdot.com on the 6th month. Probably pretty tinfoil (on both sides) though.
- bryancoxwell 3y agoI don’t think it’s a bad idea, and I’m sure there are people who want to do it and also understand the challenges they’ll face. But a lot of people in the comments seem to express a frustration that it should be so easy for people who have created a good client to draw the rest of the fucking owl, if you will.
- Pufferbo 3y agoDude, don’t kill my velocity. My `create-next-app` command just finished and I’m going to wrap up this side project by Sunday evening. I’ll be starting with the Frontend first. /s
- EMCymatics 3y agoNow that is humor
- numpad0 3y agoThis organized “protest” is starting to look like a great move from Reddit to flush the userbase to replace with new users. Field burning is a commonly used (unsustainable) technique in agriculture.
- fullshark 3y agoReplace with new users? How do you go about doing that and why would they want that?
- _zzaw 3y agoYeah, that comment doesn't make a damned bit of sense, unless there are 50 million people out there who are like "man, I'd totally switch to Reddit if their shitty app had more ads, there were no third-party apps, and the site was worse. I had no idea their CEO was such a scumbucket! This revelation makes their company and product significantly more attractive to me." Social media users are notoriously fickle. If you have a vast, devoted community of longtime users, the last thing you want to do is drive them all away. I think Reddit just got too entitled: forgot how much they rely on their users and figured they could get away with anything because they're just too indispensable to fail. It happens.
- numpad0 3y agoThose suckers keeps signing up anyways, the content and communities just don’t matter, except when it chases off new people and stifle mobility and prevents continuous growth. The value of Reddit to human society at large and the value it provides the corporate that owns it are not at all aligned. There’s a potential they negatively correlate, even. They need new people going through the gates to the Library of Alexandria, and the books are just means to it.
- makeitdouble 3y agoThey already had the tools to do that, and extensively tweaked the platform to have two completely separate interface and user base for reddit: - the homepage, /r/all, the default subs, served on the new reddit page and app - the obscure and basement level subs that won't ever see more that a few thousand users (shout out to /r/donteatjimmy), probably viewed by people stuck on old.reddit or a third party client Heavily pushing the former, and further pushing the latter into a dark corner would have sufficed. They'd had little to no backlash, and could have still boasted huge user engagement etc. They already had the invite only and private sub mechanism, that could have worked to push the old users into communities that don't get advertised, and potentially have them pay for access. All of that just to say, there was probably many realistic and not so complicated ways to deal with renewing the user base, all of them looking like better business decisions to me. With the current approach, I'm not sure where they'll get new users from, I don't see the TikTokers moving to Reddit whatever they do, and my grandma isn't coming either just because the furry subs have gone away.
- thallavajhula 3y agoImagine Digg taking this opportunity to lure back all the users it lost during the Digg 4 redesign. Now, wouldn't that be something
- skeaker 3y agoThat would actually be hilarious. I hope the Digg team is scrambling to make themselves a bit more Reddit-like by the 30th, I sure would be.
- endisneigh 3y agoironically this is similar to what Reddit is doing. a group of folks are unilaterally making a decision that most people probably don't care about, but some minority would push back on, if given a chance
- omoikane 3y agoList of participating subreddits: https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating/ https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplet...
- tmaly 3y agoI am on reddit quite a bit. I see many announcements that other subreddits are going dark to protest. The api changes seem to be the biggest thing. I am wondering if anyone in the c-suite has taken notice or if they just have blinders on for the IPO. Honestly it is a tough spot to be in. But if you think about it, without the users and moderators, reddit has nothing.
- Merad 3y agoThe CEO is doing an AMA about it tomorrow. Edit: https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/144ho2x/join_our_ceo_tomorrow_to_discuss_the_api/ https://old.reddit.com/r/reddit/comments/144ho2x/join_our_ce...
- roncesvalles 3y agoI think they're caught in a pickle because they've sold "discounted" bulk API access to ML model training companies, discounted relative to the baseline that Reddit was planning to charge these client apps. At least that was the speculation on HN when the story first came out.
- riku_iki 3y agodid they run some poll, or moderators self authorized to act on behalf of community?
- makeitdouble 3y agoThis move is totally on brand for r/ProgrammerHumor, I don't see the community having much qualms about how the decision was taken. To answer your question, the move is of course discussed in the sub, and yes the reaction seems heavily positive.
- riku_iki 3y ago> yes the reaction seems heavily positive. toxic vocal minority often drives narrative. That's why anonymous polls are important.
- makeitdouble 3y ago> toxic vocal minority hmm...It wouldn't be controversial to say that r/ProgrammingHumor is heavily centered on this concept. And I mean that as a participant in it for I don't know how long.
- riku_iki 3y ago> It wouldn't be controversial to say that r/ProgrammingHumor is heavily centered on this concept humor is not necessary toxic, and toxicity can have many different levels, making toxic jokes is one level, distort facts, aggressively attack, flood, moderate unwelcomed opinions is another level.
- fdsalkjvalkj 3y agoGuessing Reddit will give mod status to someone else and then boom! Resurrected. I don't know how much work the mods do but I do know a lot of people are willing to do it.
- sebzim4500 3y agoI'm sure they will have plenty of volunteers to be head mod for the day but how many of those people have so little to do that they are willing to continue after that?
- itsboring 3y agoWe call them scabs.
- neilv 3y agoI don't practically see how a popular subreddit can shut down. Corporate can just install different mods. The user base mainstreamed a long time ago, and I would be surprised if there was much on-principle meaningful collective action. OTOH, taking away someone's beloved app, hitting them with big usability downgrade... that's not just principle, and they could lose those users.
- Atotalnoob 3y agoWho will they put in charge? Admins? There aren't enough.
- favorited 3y agoThere's a process (/r/redditrequest) where people can ask the admins to assign them as mods of abandoned subs. The existing mods of a requested sub can object, and it's really only supposed to be used when there is no active mod account, but I'm sure someone will eventually say "they're squatting on the name /r/ProgrammerHumor, can I have it instead?" and the admins will approve it.
- Macha 3y agoThere are some subreddits which are more seperate from the mod team (How much does it really matter who runs r/aww? It can run on inertia for a very long time, for sure), and where a very small contributing group can provide content to a much wider and more casual reading group. But then there's some where the mods and other highly active users are a more active part in making it what it is. Think subs with weekly book clubs, or game challenges, or what not organised by the mods. Is Reddit going to get staff for all these niches to deliver the same level of experience? Probably not.
- somsak2 3y agoReddit doesn't care if the niches leave, they don't drive $ anyway
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- musha68k 3y agoReddit is almost as bad as Facebook in terms of being a bad web actor. It's a platform that grew on and through the open web and just keeps ever increasingly violating its origins. I distinctly remember the whole "Web 2.0" moment, and how much of a "community booster" in itself it was for both Digg and Reddit back in the day (also HN of course). Shame on you reddit - and goodbye - I for one, won't go back.
- 627467 3y agoUp until not long ago there would be plenty of post here saying how Google is useless and how appending `site:reddit.com` to any query was the only way to get decent results. This thread is all about how bad reddit is, as if their content has disappeared. They don't need defense but I'm amazed at how volatile people's opinions are.
- lolinder 3y agoIt's always important to keep in mind that HN is big and any given thread attracts a different group of people. What appears to be volatility of opinions is actually volatility of who is participating.
- spencerchubb 3y agoI am one of those people who loved reddit before. Now I see it as a laughing stock. My opinion is volatile due to a volatile change in policy. It's that simple.
- drain 3y agoAt least part of the difference is that Reddit can be a useful forum for technical troubleshooting of apps / programs. But the dissent in the thread is in reference to it as a social media platform - I think.
- plewd 3y agoExactly this, it happens to have a long history of questions/answers for most topics, so I pretty much use it as a search engine. OTOH Reddit as a social media seems like a dumpster fire with a toxic culture, community, and mods. (Not talking about all subs here, I know that many subs are wholesome and inviting)
- somsak2 3y agoIt's sort of like the Chinese government vs. Chinese people. I can hate what the government does without any malice towards a Chinese person. Same thing going on here -- the content that is produced by Reddit users is still just as valuable even if the leadership are bozos. Nobody is claiming that Reddit content itself has somehow instantly gotten worse.
- dejawu 3y agoA lot has been written about how Reddit should/deserves to die, but not much has been said about what a loss of a community it will be. Besides providing amusement, Reddit is the reason I'm a better programmer, partner, and person today. Reddit taught me things that my school never did but should have. It's the only social media I can say that about. I'm sure I'm far from the only person out there with this kind of story. I fully believe people will be worse off without Reddit to go to, if it really does die off.
- tomrod 3y agoReading the headlines, I'm in Apollo's camp. But holy moly, this guy does himself no favors with extremely hard to follow comms where he is trying to make a deal: https://gist.github.com/christianselig/fda7e8bc5a25aec9824f915e6a5c7014 https://gist.github.com/christianselig/fda7e8bc5a25aec9824f9... (This is Apollo's lead dev). Again, I'm not an apologist for Reddit -- their pricing is absurd -- my point is simply this drama seems expounded because of frankly bad comms. EDIT: its also nuts that /u/spez is relaying the exchange as a threat?!?
- plewd 3y agoThat conversation was so confusing to follow, and the usage of the idioms like "Bob's your uncle" did not help in the slightest (had to search that one up)
- riku_iki 3y agoso, how it could happen that he recorded it without consent of other party?
- notwhereyouare 3y agoCanada is a single party consent country. He was the one who needed to consent to his recording
- riku_iki 3y agoYes, you are right. But he is also reddit customer, uses reddit api and legally obligated to follow terms and conditions, and they have confidentiality clause about communication there: https://www.reddit.com/wiki/api-terms/ https://www.reddit.com/wiki/api-terms/ I guess they can now sue him and request to pay damages, which likely will be large. Also, according to random article in internet, California law requires him to ask consent too: Generally, if both parties are within the same state, the state law will apply. When one party is in California and the other one is outside the state, the two-party consent rule applies to actors outside of California, if they are communicating with people in California who have not given consent. Essentially, California protects those in the state from being recorded without their consent even where the out-of-state actor is in a state which permits “one party consent.
- mlcrypto 3y agoThe white knight protestors are going to inconvenience me much more than reddit's changes. I just use old reddit in mobile web browser so I am not affected
- interestica 3y agoA hard problem to solve. But if there was ever and opportunity for twitter to use its resources to create a competing platform it would be right now. They could create “twitter groups” and basically mimic the functionality of Reddit. They could even start it as a separate service and slowly merge them (to avoid any negative preconception of the twitter as a brand).
- AHOHA 3y agoWhat’s so hard to solve!? Forums still and can be easily built, it existed years before reddit or social media, in fact, I personally think it’s better to have separate sites specialized in each niche than one giant platform trying to monopolize that, and proceed to call itself “front page of the internet” or whatever it’s called.
- interestica 3y agoVolume and numbers mostly. Its biggest value is its activity/vibrancy.
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- whoiscroberts 3y agoCan it truly be shut down? Won’t Reddit just start it back up and let a new team moderate it? This seems similar to when Spotify took over the RapCaviar playlist from the community creator.
- nunez 3y agoCheck out the list of subs that are going dark on June 12th: https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplete_and_growing_list_of_participating https://old.reddit.com/r/ModCoord/comments/1401qw5/incomplet... This is basically all of Reddit! I am so happy to be here for this.