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To what end?

hervature 3y ago
Why would the organization that would be expected to protect our skies want to make people believe there is something to protect our skies?
- avidphantasm 3y ago
  Why would they want to make people believe there are things they can’t protect us from?
GartzenDeHaes 3y ago
Is it conspiracy theory time? "... the conspiracy theory Project Blue Beam, which concerns an alleged plot to facilitate a totalitarian world government by destroying traditional religions and replacing them with a new-age belief system using NASA technology."
- VincentEvans 3y ago
  Take my money
TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago
Demonstration of psyops capabilities; entertainment.
zoogeny 3y ago
I have no idea on the specifics for this particular operation, but in the general case [1] The purpose of United States psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior perceived to be favorable to U.S. objectives. In the context of UFOs, UAPs or whatever ... some possibilities are to hide advanced defense programs or to confuse potential enemy intelligence efforts. In fact, for an operation like this I would guess there are probably a dozen strategic objectives and not just one. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...
typeofhuman 3y ago
More funding from Congress.
- operatingthetan 3y ago
  If there is an actual threat from these possible visitors then they get all the funding.
paulddraper 3y ago
I thought this was obvious...distract from the lizard people.
heavyset_go 3y ago
It's a conspiracy theory that exalts the government/military and a narrative that they control. Why wouldn't you want skeptical populations thinking that they can trust you, that you're skilled and competent, and for whom you can use slight of hand to easily influence and distract? US adversaries can easily turn their drones into a panic when they fly in US airspace, and I believe that the instances where actual drones are involved, those are attempts at adversaries to surveil our military and government and to scare the populace. That's to say adversarial drones have an additional use as psyops weapons against civilians and military members. Being able to send whatever you want into US airspace and the US being unable to do anything about it can be perceived as being threatening and scary. A counter narrative to that involving some UFO/alien mystery can quell panic and instead foster wonder and distraction.
api 3y ago
Some speculations: To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.") To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable people / leakers. As a cover for very terrestrial extremely advanced technology such as hypersonic weapons, drones, laser and directed energy weapons, etc. To repeatedly float the idea of "alien disclosure" and then dash everyone's hopes in order to discredit the idea of extraterrestrial life and visitation. Why? Maybe they're concerned that we will eventually detect aliens and they want to blunt the cultural impact by making the public skeptical. Maybe they actually do have evidence of aliens (but maybe less sexy than crashed UFO parts) and want to keep it quiet, so they want the topic to be discredited and marginalized. Maybe there's some ideology at play like religious fundamentalism. Why knows.
- afpx 3y ago
  the US military have been caught off guard several times with newer tech, showing that they’re actually well behind the curve. I don’t think there’s much evidence that they have any advanced tech.
  - api 3y ago
    They probably both have advanced technology and are caught off guard by other peoples' advanced technology. With China we are already back in a multipolar world.
    - afpx 3y ago
      I’m just saying that I have personally seen high level DoD officials jaws drop after showing them commercial capabilities. (I live in NoVA) A lot of them are still fighting the Soviets
      - marktangotango 3y ago
belfalas 3y ago
You're the fnord sensei so you ought to know best. ;) When I hear about this alien stuff or other "big government" conspiracies I'm always reminded of this saying, not sure where it's from. "Behind every vast conspiracy theory is a sincere hope that somewhere out there, someone knows what they're doing." (i.e., conspiracy nuts in a sense really want to believe in an all-powerful government because it would give them an assurance that someone really does know what's going on).
- TechBro8615 3y ago
  The military industrial complex is pretty powerful (arguably it's the most powerful organization on the planet), and is plenty capable of engaging in ongoing conspiracies and psyops. It's naive to believe that the same government who created nuclear bombs with the secret Manhattan Project, and that inserted intelligence agents into media companies in Project Mockingbird, is not continuing to conspire at levels of grand strategy equal to or exceeding those of its past projects.
  - c420 3y ago
    You're referring to Operation Mockingbird which afaik was completely unrelated to Project Mockingbird (an illegal wiretap by the CIA on a US journalist)
  - flangola7 3y ago
    I can't imaging trying to hide a Manhattan project today. They hid an entire city containing tens of thousands of people and consuming a serious whole segments of the total US electrical grid and federal budget. Modern civilian OSINT would have been adequate to deduce fission work was being performed, assuming no one posted centrifuge schematics on their gaming Discord. And it still didn't succeed, the first world leader to learn that fission weapons work was Stalin.
GoblinSlayer 3y ago
Distraction from lobbying, e.g. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/06/our-right-challenge-junk-patents-under-threat https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/06/our-right-challenge-ju...

To what end?

Why would the organization that would be expected to protect our skies want to make people believe there is something to protect our skies?

avidphantasm 3y ago
Why would they want to make people believe there are things they can’t protect us from?

GartzenDeHaes 3y ago

Is it conspiracy theory time? "... the conspiracy theory Project Blue Beam, which concerns an alleged plot to facilitate a totalitarian world government by destroying traditional religions and replacing them with a new-age belief system using NASA technology."

VincentEvans 3y ago
Take my money

TheSpiceIsLife 3y ago

Demonstration of psyops capabilities; entertainment.

zoogeny 3y ago

I have no idea on the specifics for this particular operation, but in the general case [1] The purpose of United States psychological operations is to induce or reinforce behavior perceived to be favorable to U.S. objectives. In the context of UFOs, UAPs or whatever ... some possibilities are to hide advanced defense programs or to confuse potential enemy intelligence efforts. In fact, for an operation like this I would guess there are probably a dozen strategic objectives and not just one. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(United_States) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_operations_(Unit...

typeofhuman 3y ago

More funding from Congress.

operatingthetan 3y ago
If there is an actual threat from these possible visitors then they get all the funding.

paulddraper 3y ago

I thought this was obvious...distract from the lizard people.

heavyset_go 3y ago

It's a conspiracy theory that exalts the government/military and a narrative that they control. Why wouldn't you want skeptical populations thinking that they can trust you, that you're skilled and competent, and for whom you can use slight of hand to easily influence and distract? US adversaries can easily turn their drones into a panic when they fly in US airspace, and I believe that the instances where actual drones are involved, those are attempts at adversaries to surveil our military and government and to scare the populace. That's to say adversarial drones have an additional use as psyops weapons against civilians and military members. Being able to send whatever you want into US airspace and the US being unable to do anything about it can be perceived as being threatening and scary. A counter narrative to that involving some UFO/alien mystery can quell panic and instead foster wonder and distraction.

api 3y ago

Some speculations: To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.") To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable people / leakers. As a cover for very terrestrial extremely advanced technology such as hypersonic weapons, drones, laser and directed energy weapons, etc. To repeatedly float the idea of "alien disclosure" and then dash everyone's hopes in order to discredit the idea of extraterrestrial life and visitation. Why? Maybe they're concerned that we will eventually detect aliens and they want to blunt the cultural impact by making the public skeptical. Maybe they actually do have evidence of aliens (but maybe less sexy than crashed UFO parts) and want to keep it quiet, so they want the topic to be discredited and marginalized. Maybe there's some ideology at play like religious fundamentalism. Why knows.

afpx 3y ago
the US military have been caught off guard several times with newer tech, showing that they’re actually well behind the curve. I don’t think there’s much evidence that they have any advanced tech.
- api 3y ago
  They probably both have advanced technology and are caught off guard by other peoples' advanced technology. With China we are already back in a multipolar world.
  - afpx 3y ago
    I’m just saying that I have personally seen high level DoD officials jaws drop after showing them commercial capabilities. (I live in NoVA) A lot of them are still fighting the Soviets
    - marktangotango 3y ago

belfalas 3y ago

You're the fnord sensei so you ought to know best. ;) When I hear about this alien stuff or other "big government" conspiracies I'm always reminded of this saying, not sure where it's from. "Behind every vast conspiracy theory is a sincere hope that somewhere out there, someone knows what they're doing." (i.e., conspiracy nuts in a sense really want to believe in an all-powerful government because it would give them an assurance that someone really does know what's going on).

TechBro8615 3y ago
The military industrial complex is pretty powerful (arguably it's the most powerful organization on the planet), and is plenty capable of engaging in ongoing conspiracies and psyops. It's naive to believe that the same government who created nuclear bombs with the secret Manhattan Project, and that inserted intelligence agents into media companies in Project Mockingbird, is not continuing to conspire at levels of grand strategy equal to or exceeding those of its past projects.
- c420 3y ago
  You're referring to Operation Mockingbird which afaik was completely unrelated to Project Mockingbird (an illegal wiretap by the CIA on a US journalist)
- flangola7 3y ago
  I can't imaging trying to hide a Manhattan project today. They hid an entire city containing tens of thousands of people and consuming a serious whole segments of the total US electrical grid and federal budget. Modern civilian OSINT would have been adequate to deduce fission work was being performed, assuming no one posted centrifuge schematics on their gaming Discord. And it still didn't succeed, the first world leader to learn that fission weapons work was Stalin.

GoblinSlayer 3y ago

Distraction from lobbying, e.g. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/06/our-right-challenge-junk-patents-under-threat https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2023/06/our-right-challenge-ju...