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As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out o

As someone who used to mod, jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position. I know that had you stepped up to help out one of your favorite subs, you'd have a different lense. You comment is v clearly just ignorant.

unsupp0rted 3y ago
Case in point
adamrezich 3y ago
"that's just what a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy would say!", basically?
- mrguyorama 3y ago
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  - marginalia_nu 3y ago
    Most fringe political ideologies do to some extent. It turns out it's hard to compel people to act or vote if they're feeling content and safe. So you make them feel indignant and under threat.
  - unsupp0rted 3y ago
    And yet every person who is literally oppressed is not a Nazi, nor am I one. Not that I’d equate the decline and fall of quality interactions on Reddit with “oppression”.
  - conradfr 3y ago
    Well yeah they are, for good reasons.
  - paulddraper 3y ago
    Every nazi also drinks water.
- slg 3y ago
  You may be joking, but the specifics insults there are indicative of a certain worldview. OP only used words that would come from a small percentage of the population and insults that wouldn't be relevant on most subreddits. For example, these wouldn't be the insults you would here from anyone who qualifies as centrist or anything further right unless you are legitimately doing something wrong. There are also plenty of more conservative subreddits with awful mods too that would never use those insults. And if someone calls you a "transphobe" on some niche gardening subreddit, odds are you are doing something obnoxious and off topic that would upset the mods regardless of whether you are actually a transphobe. Combine that all together and it starts to sound like OP is one of those people who is "running into assholes all day" without ever questioning whether that is any indication of their own behavior.
  - jstarfish 3y ago
    > And if someone calls you a "transphobe" on some niche gardening subreddit, odds are you are doing something obnoxious and off topic that would upset the mods regardless of whether you are actually a transphobe. Gaslighting in action. To earn the Transphobe badge, all you have to do is complain about anyone else bringing up the subject of trans-anything on a niche gardening subreddit. Or refuse to boycott Harry Potter. You're very quick to denounce this guy as an asshole "doing something wrong" based on absolutely no material information-- just a bunch of assumptions and speculation. Hardly an honest assessment on your part.
    - unsupp0rted 3y ago
      Agreed and thank you. The Transphobe badge is the easiest one to earn at the moment, and I've earned it multiple times in Star Trek subs, even though I have no problem with the existence of trans people in theory, in sci fi stories, or in my daily life. For instance, I recently earned the badge by saying the Dax character on DS9 isn't "a trans person"... she's an alien with a symbiote, that has lived 7 lives and doesn't much care which gender of body it inhabits per se, or whom its host is going around kissing. I'm providing plenty of content here in my comments based on which to either denounce me as an asshole or to agree that I'm not one.
pdntspa 3y ago
I have to agree with GP, I am part of several subreddits where the moderators clearly enjoy being kings of their precious little fiefdom. Some of these folks are downright fascists, and the only way to fix it is to start a new subreddit or try appeal to reddit staff Maybe the burden of moderation makes them this way, I don't know. But reddit is worse off with them.
- jnwatson 3y ago
  I think Musk learned the hard way how hard it is to strike the right balance. Anybody that thinks Reddit is fascist should spend 60 days moderating a popular sub. Your attitude might change. This isn’t to say that there aren’t mods with power trips. Reddit has essentially outsourced their trust and safety department. It isn’t going to be perfect.
  - mananaysiempre 3y ago
    > Anybody that thinks Reddit is fascist should spend 60 days moderating a popular sub. I have little in the way of opinions about Reddit, but this strikes me as the wrong approach on general grounds. It might be true that anyone who spends time running a subreddit will change their mind about moderation. However, the only point of a subreddit is for people to talk to each other and to read what others are talking about; moderation is nothing but incidental overhead. That doesn’t mean it’s easy or unimportant, but it does mean that the burden is on the moderators to prove themselves reasonable to participants who don’t and shouldn’t have to, by default, understand their work going in. There can be different approaches to that, and in some of them the participants will come to understand and care about how moderation works—I’m not saying that they shouldn’t. But I am saying that if they don’t see why they should but the moderators wanted them to, generally speaking it’s the moderators who failed. There is no natural law that says that there’ll always be a way to succeed, though. Perhaps in some communities, in some political environments, etc. there just can’t be a good discussion forum. In such cases, maybe it really are the users who suck. But the fact remains that if users get annoyed about the moderation and leave, then the moderators have built a forum that’s wrong for those users. (This is of course the standard argument against every instance of “the users just don’t understand how complex the backoffice is” ever. But this instance might look a bit unfamilliar because it doesn’t involve computers.)
echelon 3y ago
I've been banned from multiple subreddits for describing stock-based compensation, for talking about AI, for defending trans people, and for worrying about crime in my city. Reddit's moderation system is exactly the kind of world I don't want to live in.
torstenvl 3y ago
GP expressed an opinion about abusive moderators. Your response is to disagree with him, identify yourself as a moderator, and then... be abusive? How exactly did you think that profanity and personal attacks were going to help make your point?
- btreecat 3y ago
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  - nonethewiser 3y ago
    But there could be a mod problem and a problem with regular users. You seemed trapped in some tug of war.
  - biorach 3y ago
    > IDK how you think this is abusive I'm not the person you're replying to I don't think "abusive" is quite the right word for your tone. > you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position ... You comment is v clearly just ignorant. "Rude", "abrasive" and "confrontational" are probably better fits. And I think you have a God given right to be as obnoxious as you feel is fitting in response to someone you disagree with with. But maybe that's not conducive to a healthy Reddit
  - mvdtnz 3y ago
    > IDK how you think this is abusive Let's have a look at some of the adjectives you have used, directed at people in this thread, Noisy nonsensical ridiculous silly a problem ignorant
    - btreecat 3y ago
      If the shoe fits buddy. It's not abusive to call a "squeaky wheel" "noisy" when that's what it is. When some one is ridiculous, it's fair to point it out, just as you are being nonsensical in this list of examples. Ignorant means you just don't know. I am plenty ignorant about many things, modding a fairly popular and large sub is just not one of them. Emotionally charged, sure abusive? lol
b59831 3y ago
> As someone who used to mod ... I'm pretty sure you were the problem
- btreecat 3y ago
  I am certain the SPAM, low quality tooling, and shitty users were the problems. There is no pleasing everyone sure, but there is also no winning even accepting most folks, like yourself, not only won't understand but don't want to, when mixed with the barrage of "can I shill my junk here?"
- roqi 3y ago
  > I'm pretty sure you were the problem What problem is that? Your comment reads like a puerile "no u" and adds nothing to the discussion. It's quite ironic given the topic.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Can you elaborate how you “know” this? Or why you think it? It just looks like you’re triggered.
stronglikedan 3y ago
Unfortunately, GP is more correct than incorrect in their opening position. And that's partally to blame for the fall of what was a once great community, so it's relevant to point that out.
nailer 3y ago
> jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position I don’t think “jesus fucking Christ” complies with the HN guidelines, but anyway: I was recently banned and accused of secretly being a Russian spy by the moderators of a politics subreddit, for my liberal, but not far left views. I am active on at least two subreddits of invading Russian soldiers dying so I would’ve thought it would have been clear that I dislike the Russian government.

unsupp0rted 3y ago

Case in point

adamrezich 3y ago

"that's just what a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy would say!", basically?

mrguyorama 3y ago
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- marginalia_nu 3y ago
  Most fringe political ideologies do to some extent. It turns out it's hard to compel people to act or vote if they're feeling content and safe. So you make them feel indignant and under threat.
- unsupp0rted 3y ago
  And yet every person who is literally oppressed is not a Nazi, nor am I one. Not that I’d equate the decline and fall of quality interactions on Reddit with “oppression”.
- conradfr 3y ago
  Well yeah they are, for good reasons.
- paulddraper 3y ago
  Every nazi also drinks water.
slg 3y ago
You may be joking, but the specifics insults there are indicative of a certain worldview. OP only used words that would come from a small percentage of the population and insults that wouldn't be relevant on most subreddits. For example, these wouldn't be the insults you would here from anyone who qualifies as centrist or anything further right unless you are legitimately doing something wrong. There are also plenty of more conservative subreddits with awful mods too that would never use those insults. And if someone calls you a "transphobe" on some niche gardening subreddit, odds are you are doing something obnoxious and off topic that would upset the mods regardless of whether you are actually a transphobe. Combine that all together and it starts to sound like OP is one of those people who is "running into assholes all day" without ever questioning whether that is any indication of their own behavior.
- jstarfish 3y ago
  > And if someone calls you a "transphobe" on some niche gardening subreddit, odds are you are doing something obnoxious and off topic that would upset the mods regardless of whether you are actually a transphobe. Gaslighting in action. To earn the Transphobe badge, all you have to do is complain about anyone else bringing up the subject of trans-anything on a niche gardening subreddit. Or refuse to boycott Harry Potter. You're very quick to denounce this guy as an asshole "doing something wrong" based on absolutely no material information-- just a bunch of assumptions and speculation. Hardly an honest assessment on your part.
  - unsupp0rted 3y ago
    Agreed and thank you. The Transphobe badge is the easiest one to earn at the moment, and I've earned it multiple times in Star Trek subs, even though I have no problem with the existence of trans people in theory, in sci fi stories, or in my daily life. For instance, I recently earned the badge by saying the Dax character on DS9 isn't "a trans person"... she's an alien with a symbiote, that has lived 7 lives and doesn't much care which gender of body it inhabits per se, or whom its host is going around kissing. I'm providing plenty of content here in my comments based on which to either denounce me as an asshole or to agree that I'm not one.

pdntspa 3y ago

I have to agree with GP, I am part of several subreddits where the moderators clearly enjoy being kings of their precious little fiefdom. Some of these folks are downright fascists, and the only way to fix it is to start a new subreddit or try appeal to reddit staff Maybe the burden of moderation makes them this way, I don't know. But reddit is worse off with them.

jnwatson 3y ago
I think Musk learned the hard way how hard it is to strike the right balance. Anybody that thinks Reddit is fascist should spend 60 days moderating a popular sub. Your attitude might change. This isn’t to say that there aren’t mods with power trips. Reddit has essentially outsourced their trust and safety department. It isn’t going to be perfect.
- mananaysiempre 3y ago
  > Anybody that thinks Reddit is fascist should spend 60 days moderating a popular sub. I have little in the way of opinions about Reddit, but this strikes me as the wrong approach on general grounds. It might be true that anyone who spends time running a subreddit will change their mind about moderation. However, the only point of a subreddit is for people to talk to each other and to read what others are talking about; moderation is nothing but incidental overhead. That doesn’t mean it’s easy or unimportant, but it does mean that the burden is on the moderators to prove themselves reasonable to participants who don’t and shouldn’t have to, by default, understand their work going in. There can be different approaches to that, and in some of them the participants will come to understand and care about how moderation works—I’m not saying that they shouldn’t. But I am saying that if they don’t see why they should but the moderators wanted them to, generally speaking it’s the moderators who failed. There is no natural law that says that there’ll always be a way to succeed, though. Perhaps in some communities, in some political environments, etc. there just can’t be a good discussion forum. In such cases, maybe it really are the users who suck. But the fact remains that if users get annoyed about the moderation and leave, then the moderators have built a forum that’s wrong for those users. (This is of course the standard argument against every instance of “the users just don’t understand how complex the backoffice is” ever. But this instance might look a bit unfamilliar because it doesn’t involve computers.)

echelon 3y ago

I've been banned from multiple subreddits for describing stock-based compensation, for talking about AI, for defending trans people, and for worrying about crime in my city. Reddit's moderation system is exactly the kind of world I don't want to live in.

torstenvl 3y ago

GP expressed an opinion about abusive moderators. Your response is to disagree with him, identify yourself as a moderator, and then... be abusive? How exactly did you think that profanity and personal attacks were going to help make your point?

btreecat 3y ago
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- nonethewiser 3y ago
  But there could be a mod problem and a problem with regular users. You seemed trapped in some tug of war.
- biorach 3y ago
  > IDK how you think this is abusive I'm not the person you're replying to I don't think "abusive" is quite the right word for your tone. > you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position ... You comment is v clearly just ignorant. "Rude", "abrasive" and "confrontational" are probably better fits. And I think you have a God given right to be as obnoxious as you feel is fitting in response to someone you disagree with with. But maybe that's not conducive to a healthy Reddit
- mvdtnz 3y ago
  > IDK how you think this is abusive Let's have a look at some of the adjectives you have used, directed at people in this thread, Noisy nonsensical ridiculous silly a problem ignorant
  - btreecat 3y ago
    If the shoe fits buddy. It's not abusive to call a "squeaky wheel" "noisy" when that's what it is. When some one is ridiculous, it's fair to point it out, just as you are being nonsensical in this list of examples. Ignorant means you just don't know. I am plenty ignorant about many things, modding a fairly popular and large sub is just not one of them. Emotionally charged, sure abusive? lol

b59831 3y ago

> As someone who used to mod ... I'm pretty sure you were the problem

btreecat 3y ago
I am certain the SPAM, low quality tooling, and shitty users were the problems. There is no pleasing everyone sure, but there is also no winning even accepting most folks, like yourself, not only won't understand but don't want to, when mixed with the barrage of "can I shill my junk here?"
roqi 3y ago
> I'm pretty sure you were the problem What problem is that? Your comment reads like a puerile "no u" and adds nothing to the discussion. It's quite ironic given the topic.

nonethewiser 3y ago

Can you elaborate how you “know” this? Or why you think it? It just looks like you’re triggered.

stronglikedan 3y ago

Unfortunately, GP is more correct than incorrect in their opening position. And that's partally to blame for the fall of what was a once great community, so it's relevant to point that out.

nailer 3y ago

> jfc you're clearly one of the folks who was a problem if that's your opening position I don’t think “jesus fucking Christ” complies with the HN guidelines, but anyway: I was recently banned and accused of secretly being a Russian spy by the moderators of a politics subreddit, for my liberal, but not far left views. I am active on at least two subreddits of invading Russian soldiers dying so I would’ve thought it would have been clear that I dislike the Russian government.