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> I'm sure the number crunchers have Declared that it's reasonable They would have to come up with a very hard to understand reason behind it though. Even na

> I'm sure the number crunchers have Declared that it's reasonable They would have to come up with a very hard to understand reason behind it though. Even napkin math shows their numbers to be undefensible and malicious. The very obvious reason behind them is to kill 3rd parties and force people into the official app. The apollo dev for iOS said 50 million queries was 166$ on imgur which is owned by the same company as reddit and has higher server costs due to images being more expensive to host. Reddit is asking for 12,000 for that many queries. 166 < 12000 and that 2 orders of magnitude are incomprehensible in terms of any technical reason to serve some comments and text posts...

pixl97 3y ago
Heh maybe they are giving us insight into how out of control their operating costs are.
- krageon 3y ago
  Such corporations don't price things based on operating cost. They price them based on what they want to have. The two are only tangentially related (though you can bet that if the costs go up, the price will too. It's just that the price also rises if a middle manager was annoyed with their toilet paper that morning).
riku_iki 3y ago
> The apollo dev for iOS said 50 million queries was 166$ on imgur which is owned by the same company as reddit and has higher server costs due to images being more expensive to host. Reddit is asking for 12,000 for that many queries. imgur costs $3k per 50m requests: https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing
- Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
  From the Apollo creaator himself https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca... Citing the specific piece of text > For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    He may have some negotiated heavy discounted plan for now from whatever reason, it doesn't mean all internet owes him discounted plans too. Or he is just not truthful, we can't check.
    - Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
      He also presents his math, related to cost per user in terms of revenue and reddits proposed API cost is 20x average reveneue per user in any similar business model plan. Now I get not every platform users spend the same, and notoriously Apple users can be charged more (see doordash and uber being caught with charging more to those users). I however doubt that reddit users, notoriously hard to monetise, are somehow 20x more valuable than any other user in any other social media that is ad revenue based... Whether you believe the apollo cretaor on his imgur pricing, or you beieve him or not on any other part of his post. The numbers very much point towards malicious pricing. And they are, in so far as they are presented, indefensible.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        > He also presents his math, related to cost per user in terms of revenue and reddits proposed API cost is 20x average reveneue per user in any similar business model plan. he gets traffic and potential Ads views from reddit, and can't monetize it well enough. Sounds also not like reddit's problem. > The numbers very much point towards malicious pricing. And they are, in so far as they are presented, indefensible. this is pure handwaving without any supporting evidence. Counter-example has been provided: imgur charges similar price on standard plans.
        Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
        Reddit makes 12c per user per month and are asking for about 2.5$ per user per month for 3rd parties. > Counter-example has been provided: imgur charges similar price on standard plans. Imgur presents 1/4 of the price for a more expensive hosting option. Even if you refuse to ignore his own quoted price, Reddit still comes off insanely overpriced.
- causi 3y ago
  Imgur is also highly anti-user and went through its own "if you don't use our app we will strangle you to death" process a few years ago where they slowly stripped features one by one from the mobile site.
lkjdsklf 3y ago
Not that it's really relevant to your point, but imgur is not owned by the same company as reddit. Reddit is owned by advanced publications which is a huge media conglomerate. Sort of. They have the largest stake in reddit. Reddit spun off of conde nast a few years ago. imgur is owned by medialab who also own things like kik and worldstar.

pixl97 3y ago

Heh maybe they are giving us insight into how out of control their operating costs are.

krageon 3y ago
Such corporations don't price things based on operating cost. They price them based on what they want to have. The two are only tangentially related (though you can bet that if the costs go up, the price will too. It's just that the price also rises if a middle manager was annoyed with their toilet paper that morning).

riku_iki 3y ago

> The apollo dev for iOS said 50 million queries was 166$ on imgur which is owned by the same company as reddit and has higher server costs due to images being more expensive to host. Reddit is asking for 12,000 for that many queries. imgur costs $3k per 50m requests: https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing https://rapidapi.com/imgur/api/imgur-9/pricing

Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
From the Apollo creaator himself https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/ https://www.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_ca... Citing the specific piece of text > For reference, I pay Imgur (a site similar to Reddit in user base and media) $166 for the same 50 million API calls.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  He may have some negotiated heavy discounted plan for now from whatever reason, it doesn't mean all internet owes him discounted plans too. Or he is just not truthful, we can't check.
  - Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
    He also presents his math, related to cost per user in terms of revenue and reddits proposed API cost is 20x average reveneue per user in any similar business model plan. Now I get not every platform users spend the same, and notoriously Apple users can be charged more (see doordash and uber being caught with charging more to those users). I however doubt that reddit users, notoriously hard to monetise, are somehow 20x more valuable than any other user in any other social media that is ad revenue based... Whether you believe the apollo cretaor on his imgur pricing, or you beieve him or not on any other part of his post. The numbers very much point towards malicious pricing. And they are, in so far as they are presented, indefensible.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      > He also presents his math, related to cost per user in terms of revenue and reddits proposed API cost is 20x average reveneue per user in any similar business model plan. he gets traffic and potential Ads views from reddit, and can't monetize it well enough. Sounds also not like reddit's problem. > The numbers very much point towards malicious pricing. And they are, in so far as they are presented, indefensible. this is pure handwaving without any supporting evidence. Counter-example has been provided: imgur charges similar price on standard plans.
      - Arkhaine_kupo 3y ago
        Reddit makes 12c per user per month and are asking for about 2.5$ per user per month for 3rd parties. > Counter-example has been provided: imgur charges similar price on standard plans. Imgur presents 1/4 of the price for a more expensive hosting option. Even if you refuse to ignore his own quoted price, Reddit still comes off insanely overpriced.
causi 3y ago
Imgur is also highly anti-user and went through its own "if you don't use our app we will strangle you to death" process a few years ago where they slowly stripped features one by one from the mobile site.

lkjdsklf 3y ago

Not that it's really relevant to your point, but imgur is not owned by the same company as reddit. Reddit is owned by advanced publications which is a huge media conglomerate. Sort of. They have the largest stake in reddit. Reddit spun off of conde nast a few years ago. imgur is owned by medialab who also own things like kik and worldstar.