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What hallucinogens will make you see
- LeonTheremin 3y ago[dead]
- andsoitis 3y ago“I’ve already explored them so thoroughly,” she says. when you try to touch it it evaporates surf, not analyze, the flow
- HKH2 3y agoYeah, and she could always up the dosage if she's that confident.
- elevaet 3y agoInaccurate incomplete and a gross oversimplification IME. This should be titled "What Hallucinogens made the Author see".
- egypturnash 3y agoOver the past 12 years, Kins has compiled a list of 233 effects people experience under the influence of psychedelic drugs, drawn from online accounts and her own experience[...]
- zxexz 3y agoI can’t take an article like this seriously if they don’t mention Erowid or the Shulgin Scale. Josie Kin’s research is wonderful, but this article does neither her nor the pre-existing research and resources justice. Kinda surprising for a Nautilus article IMO. Barely any content and what is there is arbitrarily cherry-picked from Josie’s website, borderline irrelevant images.
- kens 3y agoI'm a bit concerned by the second-last entry in the list: "Unspeakable horrors".
- gassius 3y agoAKA "bad trip" The risk of having one can be reduced with a good Set and setting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_and_setting
- mathgladiator 3y agoI went through these horrors and came out stronger and less fearful.
- ioseph 3y agoI went through several "challenging" (I prefer this to "Bad", you still learn something from them) trips in my 20s, some I felt like I'd conquered or come to terms with a part of my psyche, others threw me into a deep depression unable to talk to friends and family easily for up to two weeks.
- HKH2 3y agoMaybe things were bound to happen anyway and your experiences just sped them up.
- 2-718-281-828 3y agogood for you but that outcome is not guaranteed
- npteljes 3y agoWhat's your concern?
- ketamine 3y agoVisual exposure to inner mechanics of consciousness is what I experienced on one of my ketamine sessions. I tell people I went into the substrate of all existence / consciousness. https://effectindex.com/effects/visual-exposure-to-inner-mechanics-of-consciousness https://effectindex.com/effects/visual-exposure-to-inner-mec...
- zoklet-enjoyer 3y agoI had closed eye visuals on 2C-E where I saw microscopic fractal machinery that made up the universe. This was over a decade ago, so don't really remember the details. Should have wrote a trip report.
- 2-718-281-828 3y ago"... which subjectively feel as if they convey the inner mechanics that compose all underlying neurological processes."
- gregoryl 3y agoIf you jump over to the actual site, https://effectindex.com https://effectindex.com, you'll see a much better description of each of these effects. The site overall is quite nice to navigate - for the slightly lazy, https://effectindex.com/effects https://effectindex.com/effects is an index of the various effects.
- hulucinate 3y agoI do feel like selling the "interesting" part of Hallucinogens as the visuals is hugely under selling the entire experience. Feel like that's the LEAST interesting part. It's the ability to step into a different experience of reality / head space that's simultaneously engaging and terrifying. Strong synesthesia between sounds, words, taste, colors, textures: e.g. distinctly "feeling" the word "blueberry" as a taste and color. (Psilocybin) Spatial reality distortion that's stable over a trip (Psilocybin). Linked with time distortion "literally feels like we've been walking for an eternity where on the previous day it only took 5 minutes" Coming "closer" to reality and seeing it at a higher "frame rate" (LSD). Complete disassociation from your normal reality and being projected into a complete different spatial relationship to existence (Ketamine).
- high_priest 3y agoAs a fully abled person with strong body and ego, what I've taken out of the experiences is the humbling effect of not being able to trust my own senses or conclusions about the world. It's what I call "Mental Handicap Experience", but with a positive twist where coming out of heavy experiences made me re-evaluate my cognition, surroundings, life choices under a completely different light. I am not sure everyone would agree with me calling this the famous death of ego. But each of these experiences felt like my previous self has died and a second person came in to my body to reevaluate the state of reality. Even though, in hindsight, I don't think I have changed much in a long term, I recall positively the short term effects on quality of my life.
- klyrs 3y agoWhat you've written is reflected pretty well under the title "ego death" on the site in question... https://effectindex.com/effects/ego-death https://effectindex.com/effects/ego-death
- AmpsterMan 3y agoI've found that the "reborn" person only lasts as long as you put into practice the new relevations. This requires thinking of actionable items, or behaviors to think on, but otherwise it's worked. This of course may just be my experience
- zoklet-enjoyer 3y ago2C-E (back when it was legal) gave me the most intense open eye visuals I've ever seen. Tracers, breathing walls, shifting patterns, almost like animated posters. It got to be so much that I got motion sick.
- pantalaimon 3y agoI can say similar things about 25C-NBOMe, but the body feel was rather uncomfortable.
- 29athrowaway 3y agoLook up the paintings of Pablo Amaringo.
- ggm 3y agoThis is the first reasonably close approximation to what I saw in my visual field, and I am very impressed they managed to capture the spirit of the artifacts. I had a more 'fractal' experience of some fine grained detail, apparent motion like zooming into the Mandelbrot set, but in the main, this was a pretty good representation of what i saw. (mushrooms)
- tayo42 3y agois that video actually what other peoples dmt breakthroughs are like? Every time ive done dmt, i never thought I did enough. I read other peoples descriptions of their breakthroughs and it always sounds way more intense and wild then what i experience. those visuals are pretty close to what i have gone through though. people make it seem like they're literally in other 3d worlds walking around and talking with creatures. the one time I did do more, i actually didnt have fractal like visuals, my vision was over taken by a flat white light, a 2d flat owl floated by and there was a golden city floating in the background. After that I thought there might actually be more to the dmt experience then fractals and faces.
- npteljes 3y agoPeople experience things differently, partly because we are literally wired differently. Marijuana for example works well for many, but there's a significant minority of people who only experience paranoia and other negative feelings.
- aunty_helen 3y agoYou haven't done enough until you accept death. Lying face up, in a quiet dark nothingness, with a spotlight illuminating only you, in a moment of peace from the buzzing, colours and madness preceding, you may come to the realisation that death is peaceful, but the journey to get there is horrific.
- mberning 3y agoUnspeakable horrors. No thanks, I’ll pass.
- HKH2 3y agoMaybe you'll experience them when you die. Sometimes you have to learn to be at peace with things.
- grimgrin 3y agoIf you wanna follow an interesting rabbit hole, listen to Hamilton Morris and Dr. Andrew Gallimore chat in a recent video: https://youtu.be/ba5pAjM8HZM https://youtu.be/ba5pAjM8HZM If anything has peaked your curiosity, consider his books “Alien Information Theory” and “Reality Switch Technologies” Also, DMTx is undeniably interesting from my point of view. We’ve recently completed a trial involving hour long sessions in extended DMT state
- kbd 3y ago> We’ve recently completed a trial involving hour long sessions in extended DMT state That's fascinating, since that's not something someone could do on their own. One of my biggest questions is whether the "DMT world" really connects you with another part of reality, or whether it's just "what the brain does" when exposed to the chemical. Have there been any controlled experiments on whether we can pass messages via the DMT elves? That would persuade me that the entities could be real.
- _yb2s 3y agohttps://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-the-cactus-person/ https://slatestarcodex.com/2015/04/21/universal-love-said-th...
- grimgrin 3y agoIf that’s a thing you wanna try to stay informed about, look no further than the recent conversation with the panelist: https://www.youtube.com/live/Myq_Hc_39aI https://www.youtube.com/live/Myq_Hc_39aI spoiler: we haven’t done that yet, so far it’s really kinda like “ok well it’s not appearing to be unhealthy, there’s no noticeable tolerance, what’s next”. Also the linked video is going to have parts way out there for some folks here. Some have much different beliefs, there’s a few mentions of Syncronicities But this is a newer rabbit hole for me and one thing is certain: I want to know why DMT has our brain building an entirely different world model, almost repeatable, completely throwing ours away. What’s the evolutionary reason even? There’s some theories but none anyone feels great about.
- photochemsyn 3y agoThey'll make you see the state of your own mind. Literally, they throw noise into the normal visual system and cause memory and emotional state to bleed over into the visual field. It's a good way to monitor your own mental state, if you start seeing horrors that's a reflection that something is bothering you. This is why traditional users of psychedelics would screen people for mental illness before group sessions, and why it was not uncommon in those societies to have a 'mentally ill' person take a large dose of psychedelics while having a half dozen people around them to make sure they didn't hurt themselves. "We do not see things as they are, we see them as we are" "In a dream, we see only what is reflected by our own thoughts" Now if you have a state of complete mental equilibrium, you won't see much from taking psychedelics other than an intensification of colors, a sharpening of edges, and an intense interest in everything you're seeing. Some fractal-like visualizations are pretty common, but isn't nature actually fractal?
- esperent 3y agoThe actual list is here, the article only shows a couple of them. https://effectindex.com/effects https://effectindex.com/effects Scanning through them, my first impression is that they seem pretty accurate to my own experience, and that the nicer ones all come from lower doses, while the nasty ones are associated with higher doses. Less is more when it comes to hallucinogens.
- hnick 3y agoI wonder how machinescapes presented for people with no concept of machines as we have. Anyone know?
- Beaver117 3y agoI've done many hallucinogens and have seen great things but "unspeakable horrors" too. It was a legitimately terrifying experience but I came out of it feeling mentally strong and stable. I can't recommend anyone to try it since not everyone may be able to handle it. But it was an amazing experience I don't regret at all.
- ttctciyf 3y ago"Symmetric Vision"[0] - one of the more prominent contributors to the featured video compilation - just won QRI[1]'s Psychedelic Replication Contest[2] with a short video representing "that moment when your senses start blending together and you realize that it wasn’t a microdose.”[3] The same artist also seems to have won[4] QRI's "psychedelic cryptography" contest[5] for videos conveying information only perceptible by viewers in an altered state of consciousness. 0: https://www.youtube.com/@SymmetricVision/videos https://www.youtube.com/@SymmetricVision/videos 1: https://qri.org/ https://qri.org/ 2: https://qri.org/blog/replication-contest https://qri.org/blog/replication-contest 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG12eK0BcsE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG12eK0BcsE 4: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD4nV0CMkBI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD4nV0CMkBI 5: https://qri.org/blog/psycrypto-contest https://qri.org/blog/psycrypto-contest
- konfusinomicon 3y agowow, the not a microdose video is a pretty accurate representation. about half way in i could almost feel that anxious like feeling rush through my body.
- dokem 3y agoThe replication subreddit has had some really impressive content also.
- neodypsis 3y agoIs what they see conditioned by their previous experiences? Are there any accounts of blind people seeing something in their minds?
- optimalsolver 3y agoHere's a great article on Benny Shanon, perhaps the foremost researcher on DMT: https://www.waggish.org/2011/benny-shanon-the-antipodes-of-the-mind/ https://www.waggish.org/2011/benny-shanon-the-antipodes-of-t... One of the reports of his own experiences with the substance was as follows: >Another pattern of interpreting-as is one I shall characterize as seeing the particular as generic, or rather, seeing the generic in the particular. I have experienced this on a number of occasions. The first, which for me was very striking, occurred during the daytime. It was in a village and I, intoxicated, was sitting on a small verandah overlooking the meadows. A farmer (a real one) was passing by, and I saw The Farmer, the universal prototype of all farmers. Again, as in the previous example, the standard perception and the non-ordinary one are related. After all, I saw The Farmer, not The Fisherman or The King. Yet, while normally I would have seen just a farmer, this time I saw The Farmer. While semantically linked, experientially these two perceptions are totally different. I have heard accounts of the very same phenomenon from my informants. -- I've never taken DMT, but I'm curious if people who have can report similar experiences of effectively seeing Platonic forms (or at least, believing they have).
- aftoprokrustes 3y agoI actually have that kind of experiences (mostly on a subtle level, but sometimes more intense, to the point that tears might well up) regularly as a result of my meditation/spiritual practice. For me it is more "seeing the divine expressing itself through the person" or feeling a particular kind of universal personhood in a tree, as if that particular tree stood outside of time, representing all of life. It can also happen with my own emotions: sometimes I will feel sad or angry, and the feeling will transform from "my anger" to "an expression of cosmic anger" or "the Divine expressing itself through me as Anger". It might be a bit different from the experience described in the citation, but to me that description definitely sounds familiar (in particular the simultaneity of the particular and the universal). The effect of my practice on my daily life and the way I relate to it also sound pretty similar to the way some use psychedelics for spiritual or therapeutical practice. I actually lost quite a lot of my appetite to experiment with psychedelics since I started this kind of practice. I mostly practice following the teachings of Rob Burbea, but I am also fond of reading texts from mystics of the Abrahamic religions, and this kind of experience is also reported regularly in that context. Mother Theresa for instance, when asked how she could stand being at the contact of so much suffering, said something along the lines of "I look into the eyes of my patient, and what I see is the glaze of my beloved Christ".
- opyate 3y agoTOOL album artwork? :-D
- npteljes 3y agoRegarding drugs and its effects, I'd look no further than Erowid, honestly. Large and well organized compilation of experiences (and data too). For visuals, there's the subreddit "replications", where the submitters try to match an experience with visuals. https://www.reddit.com/r/replications/ https://www.reddit.com/r/replications/
- pantalaimon 3y agoI'm a bit worried how well it's being updated still. I looked for an entry for 3-MMC, which is currently experiencing a rise in popularity, and couldn't find any.
- npteljes 3y agoI remember being worried for them for quite some years, but in the end they persevered. I read the site first 20 years ago now. I hope they manage to go on, I had a good time reading all the stuff, and it seems to be compiled with the best intentions.
- palad1n 3y agoIs there any mention of the Black Iron Prison? https://blackironprison.com https://blackironprison.com
- 2-718-281-828 3y agoi wonder why someone would register a domain dedicated specifically to this fantasy. the text is also a bit of all over the place mentally. but somewhat interesting nonetheless. i visited that place after taking a little bit too much 4-aco-dmt. that was a hell of a trip. still not sure what to make of it and how it impacted me in the long term.
- TrackerFF 3y agoI find it interesting that some of the hallucinations look like generated imagery from earlier layers of a neural network. There are recognizable patterns, but they look weird and unfinished - and the colors are all over the place.
- Cthulhu_ 3y agoScience emulating nature I guess; it's like how computer-optimized structures seem to emulate nature (e.g. the internals of a bird's bones), or the most effective robotic grippers being the ones that look like human hands.
- zingababba 3y agoI have one particular experience seared into my mind. I was lying in bed after taking 300mcg of LSD and I leaned up onto my elbows and looked over the edge of my bed and witnessed a flowing river of blood filled with human body parts. The most interesting part of the whole experience was it was in no way disturbing or frightening. I'll never forget it.
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