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Poor people often don’t survive to become seniors who vote
- ProjectArcturis 3y agoThe article features no actual math to calculate the magnitude of the effect, even though such data are available. I would guess it would be a couple of percentage points shift at best.
- mxkopy 3y agoFrom the study: > We analyze this mechanism applying propensity scores matching and multivariate regressions on data from MIDUS I (Midlife in the United States: A National Study of Health and Well-being) and its 10-year mortality follow-up. Results show that health differences between 10-year survivors and non-survivors explain 56% of their differences in socio-political participation. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953618300108 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02779...
- gerdesj 3y agoThe article is peppered with links to studies and quotes. for example: "as a 2017 CDC study showed" - showed is a hyperlink to: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/02/health/african-american-death-rates-cdc-study/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2017/05/02/health/african-american-d... which links to https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/aahealth/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/vitalsigns/aahealth/index.html The article quotes: "For blacks 18 to 64, the data showed that they were at a higher risk of early death than whites." I would not expect a journo piece to feature actual maths but I do want to see sources and we have them. I have no idea what your final sentence really means but it does: "guess". Sources?
- nathan_compton 3y agoThe way our first past the post system works, a few percentage points is enormously impactful. A few percentage point swing in Florida could change presidential elections permanently.
- storkhm 3y agoI would think cigarette smoking is a big variable in the effect too. People living in poverty, uninsured, didn't graduate high school are all variables we know correlate with a higher % of cigarette smoking.
- JumpCrisscross 3y agoThe study [1][2]. [1] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0277953618300108 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S02779... [2] https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.1016/j.socscimed.2018.01.010 https://sci-hub.hkvisa.net/10.1016/j.socscimed.2018.01.010
- version_five 3y agoAre poor people likely to be liberals? There had always been a trope about poor conservatives that probably has some truth to it. And now that liberals have abandoned the working class and become the party of the establishment elite, I'm not sure why anyone would think that the poor would lean liberal. While I imagine that there are lots of rich old people who are Democrats that perpetuate and exacerbate inequality. The article is a bit Orwellian.
- Georgelemental 3y agoPoorer whites (and Latinos, and East Asians to a lesser extent) have moved to the right. Other demographics lean heavily left at all income levels
- Gualdrapo 3y agoThe "latinos" who live in the USA, it seems so. At our own countries it seems the tendency has shifted to the left side of the spectrum - Chile, Argentina, Colombia and Brazil had recently elected left-wing governments.
- smt88 3y agoThe US conception of "left" and "right" doesn't map neatly onto other countries to begin with, but there's still some clarification needed. Latino Americans are still overwhelmingly left-of-center (though perhaps not likely to be left enough to be "leftist"). The shift to the right has been relatively small (though consequential due to geography) and limited to certain groups. For example, Cuban Americans in Miami are much more likely to have moved to the right.
- over_bridge 3y agoIt always amuses me to see how left and right differ between nations. US conservatives are protesting and restricting immigration when in New Zealand, the conservatives are wildly pro immigration. Their argument is that it drives house prices up and wages down when you've got more people flooding in. If you're a land and/or business owner, that's what you vote for. The left wants less immigration so workers and renters have more negotiating power.
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- themgt 3y agoSince white people suffer proportionately less from poverty than nonwhite people, they do tend to live longer, and in better health, which is conducive to political and other civic activism. The average life expectancy by race is: Asian: 86.3 Hispanic: 82.0 White: 78.6 Native: 77.4 Black: 75.0 [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_health_in_the_United_...
- rajin444 3y agoWhy would the authors say otherwise? Additionally, why is it framed in a way that makes it seem like white people having more of an impact is a bad thing? 10 years ago if you'd told me articles like this were coming I'd have laughed. How did misconstruing the truth to further the "white people bad" notion become not just acceptable but popular? And it doesn't even stop there - the article implies that more diversity (i.e less white people) is an ontological good. How does this stuff even get published?
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- nathan_compton 3y agoSorry, this isn't "critical race theory." Like how is making observations about the demographics associated with old age and voting "critical race theory?"
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago> this isn't "critical race theory." Like how is making observations about the demographics associated with old age and voting "critical race theory? You're correct, it's not. But there's a trend of shoehorning race into everything, and I think that's what the comment to which you're responding refers. The underlying study never mentioned race. By proxying SES with race, the article recapitulates the racial determinism that is, if not at the core, then a necessary consequence of CRT.
- golemotron 3y agoThis could easily be fixed by giving poor people ~80 years of votes and allowing them to designate a proxy voter before death.
- nathan_compton 3y agoGalaxy brain shit. The problem is that young people don't vote. Allowing old people to designate a proxy is unlikely to move the needle. This is particularly true in the US because voting is actually pretty hard if you are working class, since you cannot skip work to do it. But whether it is that or just apathy or ignorance, just allowing marginalized voters to pick a younger person to vote for them would probably not work and wouldn't accurately reflect their preferences anyway (since older people still tend to be more conservative all around).
- FooBarBizBazz 3y agoIt may not be realistic, but it's the most interesting idea in the thread.
- golemotron 3y agoI posted it to point out how ridiculous it is to problematize the phenomenon.
- FooBarBizBazz 3y agoWe time-shift money all the time with finance, so the idea of time-shifting votes is interesting. Like, the whole millennial generation invests their whole lifetime of votes in one glorious year to fix the housing market. (Or, more likely, to achieve some stupid mimetic goal.) Mostly it's social-sci-fi, but it's not totally outside the realm of possibility. If we want to get truly absurd, we could problematize the nonexistence of unborn voters (no, this isn't an abortion thing, though you could take it in that direction), and apply a correction factor for different fertility rates. After all, if you're compensating for death at the population level, why not also compensate for disparities of births? "One person in some alternate universe, one vote here, that's what I say."
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- whycombinater 3y agoMen are the most disproportionately affected.
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- yieldcrv 3y agoIf all the states went back to landowners only, we wouldn't have to debate this
- Ekaros 3y agoWhy even vote. Why not let just about anyone to sign up and then randomly pick representatives. On average could lead to decent representation of population.