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DreamBerd is a perfect programming language
- tuchsen 3y agoThis is great. Usually with the joke programming languages, you can get at least one person arguing that "x feature" really isn't all that bad, or could maybe be useful. DreamBerd beats them all in that regard. It is 100% terrible! I lost it at the lifetimes implementation.
- occoder 3y agoThis feature really isn't all that bad! > To declare a function, you can use any letters from the word function (as long as they're in order): > function add (a, b) => a + b! > func multiply (a, b) => a * b! > fun subtract (a, b) => a - b! > fn divide (a, b) => a / b! > functi power (a, b) => a * b!
- mysterydip 3y agoWhen I first read this, I thought the function names could only include letters from the word function, and only in order!
- l0b0 3y agoYou must be a fan of Subversion then. On a more serious note, I'm sure I've seen this (any unique shortenings standing in for the whole word) in an actual language at some point, and it was infuriating.
- eps 3y agoIncidentalley this allows for count func (a,b) => ... in out (a,b) => ... of if (a,b) => ... Wonderful language, wonderful.
- wisam 3y agoI don't know, variable decelerations seem to me to be funny but useful. I mean constant constants, constant variables, and variable variables seem useful. I'm not sure how would variable constants be useful. Also, anybody knows the difference between constant constant and immutable data (constant contact constant)?
- ravi-delia 3y agoIn the normal case, Alice can write 'const const true = false' and Bob, on a second machine, can write 'const const true = 7', and there will not be an error. But if Alice writes 'const const const true = false', than Bob can't reassign or mutate 'true' without throwing an error. It's for truly global constants
- nneonneo 3y agoCome to think of it, package registries are sort of “superglobal” in many languages. It’s not entirely far-fetched to imagine a language in which variables themselves can be super-global. Heck, MUMPS global variables are immediately persisted to disk and visible to all other processes - and that’s a real language used in real systems!
- cultureswitch 3y agoIt's a rather straightforward dig at C\C++ which work exactly like this with `const` variables.
- ravi-delia 3y agoBut what elevates it is that it's written so confidently and buries the insane lede so well that at each feature there's a fraction of a second where it seems recoverable before sanity kicks in. After, before, and next almost, almost seem smart
- pmontra 3y agoThis feature is not so bad: > In case you really need to vary a variable, the when keyword lets you check a variable each time it mutates. const var health = 10! when (health = 0) { print("You lose")! } If it can really be triggered when the variable changes to any value it makes it a truly reactive paradigm programming language. By the way, could that be hacked to implement loops? const var i = 10 when (i >= 0) { do_something() i = i - 1 }
- ilaksh 3y agoYeah honestly I was really interested in that. Kind of like a logic language? Maybe Prolog is the perfect language.
- epistasis 3y agoI like this feature, but to really make it pop I would like it to be combined with comefrom control flow.
- pmontra 3y agoYes, when is the way to do loops in this language. From the hidden examples page functi fibonacci (n) => { const var sum = 1! const var i = 0! when (i < n) { sum += sum + previous sum! i++! } } when (i < 10) { fibonacci(i)? i++! }
- ravi-delia 3y agoAnd if you don't want your code to loop back by accident you can just use lifetimes! Truly an elegant language
- Doxin 3y agoOh please tell me you can specify the length of your loops in lines of code executed.
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- skykooler 3y agoI really like the "when" keyword, actually.
- laserbeam 3y agoFeel free to use it today in any language if your debugger supports it. Most do. It's called a data breakpoint/watch point.
- stefncb 3y agoI honestly liked the whitespace significant operator precedence.
- xigoi 3y agoNim used to have that, but unfortunately removed it because it was too controversial.
- myco_logic 3y agoI also quite liked that idea. It would probably be a nightmare to actually use, but it's definitely a creative solution to dealing with infix operator precedence. The only implemented language I know of with this feature is the obscure array lang I (an incrementation of the J language's name I assume) by Marshall Lochbaum: https://github.com/mlochbaum/ILanguage https://github.com/mlochbaum/ILanguage
- hansvm 3y agoAlso lost it at the timed lifetimes :) Infinite lifetime is actually useful here and there. I'll usually slap an infinite lifetime wrapper around the `requests` or `httpx` module when I'm testing out some Python web scraping code.
- cultureswitch 3y agoI think there's a hint of a good idea in the type that checks strings with a regex. Obviously it's comically impractical written that way.
- llimos 3y agoThe 'previous' feature sounds like a great idea! The compiler could even decide which variables it needs to keep track of.
- squeaky-clean 3y agoI think it would lead to a lot of hard to find logical bugs in a lot of projects but I think it would be a great operator in say, a scripting language for a turn based game.
- marssaxman 3y agoI am currently working on a DSL which actually does include a "back" operator! The language is used to describe simulated circuits, so you can inquire about the value a register had during a previous clock cycle.
- matheusmoreira 3y agoI dunno, the previous keyword seemed pretty neat to me.
- mysterydip 3y agoLove the constants. Biggest confusion for me reading modern javascript, coming from traditional languages. "What do you mean you can change a constant?"
- camsjams 3y agoYou can't reassign constants in JS, it throws an error: Uncaught TypeError: Assignment to constant variable. But yes you can modify objects and arrays of a constant, which is not great.
- ravi-delia 3y agoThis is incredibly good. It maintains the breathlessly approving tone of a language readme the entire time, it has incredible comedic timing (a lesser shitpost would have revealed that of course the file extension was .db right at the start), and it has incredible internal consistency. For some reason it was the fact that it demonstrates how "files" work by rebinding a const const that sent me completely over the edge. Or maybe it was the regex describing valid regex labels
- humbugtheman 3y agoHey thanks, I'm glad you like it! :)
- ravi-delia 3y agoAlso a big fan of SandPond :)
- CyberDildonics 3y agobreathlessly approving tone of a language readme What does this mean? it has incredible comedic timing How does text have comedic timing?
- humbugtheman 3y agoSorry it would be a spoiler to reveal this to you at this point
- ravi-delia 3y agoBreathlessly approving tone of a language readme: Readmes on Github, especially for languages, often have a recognizable tone. Look how cool this is! Isn't this so neat!? Why would you ever do it differently!? Comedic timing (in text): Most prose is written under the assumption that it will be read in order- ie, from beginning to end. For instance, you likely read the word "beginning" before you read the word "end" in that last sentence, and read the word "to" between them. So for instance, while "a lesser shitpost would have revealed that of course the file extension was .db right at the start", this superior shitpost has text between the start and the reveal. This is analogous to how, when speaking, a comedian will maintain awareness of pausing and such to drop funny lines at exactly the right moment.
- tbt 3y agoRegexression
- humbugtheman 3y agoThere's a PR in the works to fix this: https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/pull/65 https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/pull/65
- zeptonix 3y agoDelete To avoid confusion, the delete statement only works with primitive values like numbers, strings, and booleans. delete 3! print(2 + 1)! // Error: 3 has been deleted HAHAHAHAHA
- JZerf 3y agoDreamBerd is a multi-paradigm programming language, which means that you can delete the keywords and paradigms you don't like. delete class! class Player {} // Error: class was deleted When perfection is achieved and there is nothing left to delete, you can do this: delete delete!
- deepsun 3y agodelete = previous delete!!
- revskill 3y agoIs this to blame complexity of Rust ?
- cgh 3y agoFeels like more of a JS parody to me. Perhaps parodies like this are an effective way to reveal our biases. #deepthoughts
- humbugtheman 3y agoCreator here - it's actually a parody of INTERCAL. I explained more on the Future of Code podcast recently: https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/064 https://futureofcoding.org/episodes/064
- revskill 3y agoWhat is INTERCAL ? When will you release first version of the compiler ?
- humbugtheman 3y agoINTERCAL is basically a sequel to DreamBerd. I highly recommend listening to that podcast episode! It's very enlightening
- zamalek 3y agoWhich is a parody of INTERCAL? Rust or DreamBerd?
- humbugtheman 3y agoYes those ones.
- cropcirclbureau 3y agoThat was a fun listen, thanks!
- f33d5173 3y agoMake sure to look at the example programs if you missed the link in the doc https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/blob/main/LICENSE.md https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/blob/main/LICENSE.md
- version_five 3y agoI sort of spoiled the joke for myself because the first thing I noticed was that it didn't have a standard license (github says view license instead of Apache or whatever). So I clicked on it before even reading what the language was about, still thinking it was serious.
- jantypas2 3y agoPlease no! Someone may try to actually use this in some corporate production model -- I can see the carnage now - the language, editors where you can write left to right, right to left, or even vertically with an exta cost plug-in, training courses at $1500/day -- the horror of it all! Don't forget the vertical camelcase variable names where letters appear, not only in both cases, but on two lines. You know of course, tehre's a special place for you when the mist clears. You'll either be stuck in the Bank of America customer care department for eternity, or, be stuck in the other Big Red helping to get Larry Elisson's network computer workig -- FOREVER.
- pmontra 3y agoconst var scores = [3, 2, 5]! scores[0.5] = 4 print(scores) //[3, 2, 4, 5]! Genius! This trivially solves the problem of reading integer and floating point numbers from input and inserting them into a sorted array. Too bad there are no loops in this language. (Remember that arrays start from -1.)
- layer8 3y agoI wonder what the behavior of scores[-2] = 4! is. Or, for that matter, of scores[-1.1] = 4! (Assuming that -2 and -1.1 haven’t been deleted.)
- humbugtheman 3y agoThe first one would place 4 at the start of the array. So would the second one. If you did the first, then the second one, two 4s would be placed at the start.
- layer8 3y agoBut arrays start at -1. How would that work?
- humbugtheman 3y agoYou can insert items before the start
- jantypas2 3y agoA correction on another comment -- this is not a multithreaded language -- it's transthreaded-- a radically new concept where your code may or may not, run code in your thread, or someoen else's thread, without your knowledge. Errors in your code show up in their program, and their errors, in yours - see? Now bugs aren't your fault anymore! And don't forget the KvetchGPT option. It's doesn't so much as complain about your code as you go along. It's like pair programming with your manager but you can turn them ofF.
- nxpnsv 3y agoLu makes awesome stuff, do check out todepond on youtube
- rootw0rm 3y agoOh wow, this is awesome
- humbugtheman 3y agoHello! Creator here. This is an open-source project so please do submit any issues or PRs. Please note: I will close any issues without unreproducible steps.
- shukantpal 3y ago> Please note: I will close any issues without unreproducible steps. Surely you meant "without reproducible steps"?
- humbugtheman 3y agoNo I mean without unreproducible steps.
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- txbuck 3y agoSurely you didn't comment before viewing the post.
- voxelghost 3y agoWho would do such a thing on the internet? You would have to forever live with the shame.
- ktm5j 3y agoI really, really dig your sense of humor! Great stuff
- humbugtheman 3y agoThank you very much! You're very welcome to dive further into the Pond if you want: https://youtu.be/ZMklf0vUl18 https://youtu.be/ZMklf0vUl18
- detrites 3y agoElegant, concise and simple: const const const delete = delete delete! Cannot imagine a neater form with which to express such a concept in another language.
- gusmd 3y agoThe best gem in all of it is this: > You can make classes, but you can only ever make one instance of them. This shouldn't affect how most object-oriented programmers work. This describes my experience with most OOP code very well.
- layer8 3y agoI think the best gem is the ability to delete paradigms. As for OOP, a bit more realistic would have been to restrict interfaces to at most one implementation.
- osigurdson 3y agoOne real implementation and many implementations for testing that do whatever the consumer wants them to do.
- _the_inflator 3y agoI love Singletons and God Classes. ;)
- keyle 3y agoFactories and Managers. Don't forget Decorators!
- fnordpiglet 3y agohttps://factoryfactoryfactory.net https://factoryfactoryfactory.net
- gkhartman 3y agoFirst time reading this. Thanks for the laugh. Trigger warning for those who have worked on legacy Java/C# code.
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- sebzim4500 3y ago>In case you really need to vary a variable, the when keyword lets you check a variable each time it mutates. The kOS plugin for Kerbal Space Program implements a programming language that actually has this feature.
- jheriko 3y agocould have made a language faster than C in 0.1x the amount of time
- BiteCode_dev 3y agohttps://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/blob/main/test/test/test/test/test/test/test/test/test.md https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/blob/main/test/test/te...
- internet-mat 3y agoI rather appreciate the built-in support for the `fucton` keyword.
- qsantos 3y agoUsing the word 'DreamBerd' in your project name implies that the DreamBerd Foundation does not own your project. However, not using the word 'DreamBerd' in your project implies that the DreamBerd Foundation does own your project. If you would like to keep ownership of your work, please always use the word 'DreamBerd' in it. Here are some examples: white_check_mark DreamBerdScript (not owned by the DreamBerd Foundation - you are free to use this name) x ECMAScript (owned by the DreamBerd Foundation - please consider renaming) x Rust Foundation (owned by the DreamBerd Foundation - please consider renaming) Maybe the author should actually take over the Rust Foundation.
- gitgud 3y agoThis is brilliant haha
- lamontcg 3y agoThe author described it as "perfect", but failed to use "elegant", "thoughtful", "awesome" or "empathy" anywhere.
- humbugtheman 3y agoPRs are welcome!
- TobTobXX 3y ago"blazing fast"
- nuancebydefault 3y agoI find DreamBerd to have the perfect antidote to all the constexpr/const fetish in that other, non-perfect language.
- 11235813213455 3y agoscores[0.5] = 4 print(scores) //[3, 2, 4, 5]! should be [3, 4, 2, 5] imo, between 0 and 1
- Alifatisk 3y agoNo arrays starts from -1 in this case.
- throwawaymaths 3y agoYou missed that DB is -1 indexed
- Alifatisk 3y agoGreat repo, had a good laugh through the whole readme!
- 1attice 3y agoPlease send for help. I have rubbed off my face with the palms of my hands.
- divan 3y agoSo many promising ideas for Dart 4.0 to adopt :)
- threeseed 3y agoIt really is missing some functional programming paradigms. Something that makes (a) you appear smarter than other developers and (b) your code so complex it is unmaintainable.
- shevis 3y ago> Loops are a complicated relic of archaic programming languages. In DreamBerd, there are no loops. Flex
- ginko 3y ago> Booleans can be true, false or maybe. > Technical info: Booleans are stored as one-and-a-half bits. Technically, ternary values would be ~1.5849 bits.
- humbugtheman 3y agoSorry to interrupt...
- bennettnate5 3y agoPerhaps maybe values are only _mostly_ represented, such that storing a `maybe` will baybe result in true or false actually being stored, contingent on the compiler and surrounding code. Thus, maybe accurately describes itself--storing a maybe will maybe store a maybe. Perfection.
- jantypas2 3y agoAnd of course, let's adopt Rust's logic with our new "Borrow Nagger", or just "Everything Nagger". When it compiles your code, it analyzes it, sends it out to a Reddit group and collects the comments and displays them as warning and error messages. No one is saying they'll make any sense relative to code, but if you've used C++ and templates, you'll feel right at home. Abd of course, there's "syntax quality hightlighting", where we highlight your code in various colors based on what we think of the quality of it. Red = Really bad idea, Yellow, not good, but good for now, you'll refactor it later, green, good because you won't be at this job long anyway, and black on black or white on white if it's actually OK. (Per the comment on refactoring, there's probably a note on the pyramids 'Pharoh - yeah, this is a hack, but we were in a rush, we'll fix it later. Bandaids for now'
- leeoniya 3y ago> Variable hoisting can be achieved with this neat trick. Specify a negative lifetime to make a variable exist before its creation, and disappear after its creation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMEFROM https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COMEFROM
- jantypas2 3y agoAnd now that I think about it, other than negative lifetimes, where variables reappear in code after a defined time because you might need them again, I propsoe the hidden segments feature -- with this feature, you can write code, and hide the block (something like an invisible #define) so when your coworker comes along and tries to "help" by changing your code that you told them SHOULD NOT be changed because it actually works now, when you run the code with the --no-manager flag, the code compiles the way YOU want it.
- dmytrish 3y agoHow many billion lines of code does it compile per second?
- ukuina 3y agoAll of it. Globally.
- gpderetta 3y ago> Technical info: Type annotations don't do anything, but they help some people to feel more comfortable. They stole the feature directly from python!
- Tcepsa 3y agoAn excellent example of the aphorism that "great artists steal"
- jancsika 3y ago> Variable hoisting can be achieved with this neat trick. Specify a negative lifetime to make a variable exist before its creation, and disappear after its creation. It'd be neat if you could also hoist a var up into the set of extant running runtimes. Oh, someone on earth already computed a table of rsqrt values. Let me try just try using that one...
- ravi-delia 3y agoYou could do it with 'const const const' if you don't need it mutated, but perhaps a 'const const var' would serve.
- guenthert 3y ago> All indents must be 3 spaces long. That's what a former colleague, who shall remain unnamed, suggested as well.
- jorams 3y agoI think a better compromise would be to standardize an indent at 1 space followed by one tab. Then the tabs-vs-spaces debate would finally be settled as both, and anyone can decide how wide an indent should be by changing a setting in their editor.
- cpeterso 3y agoI heard that VMware’s coding style uses 3 space indentation.
- Archit3ch 3y agoIt's also the default Verilog indentation on Emacs!
- pledess 3y agoI feel that the array starting index should be adjustable at runtime via increment/decrement overloading for either the [ or ] character. var var meanings = [42]! print(meanings[-1])! //42 [++! //temporarily change to 0-based indexing print(meanings[0])! //42 print(meanings[-1--])! //42 (because of the --] pre-decrement)
- ravi-delia 3y agoMight be worth opening a pull request! Lots of people might prefer starting at something more intuitive, like -0 or NaN
- al2o3cr 3y agoDoes it even count as an esolang feature if it was a real feature in a commonly-used language for years? https://perldoc.perl.org/5.20.0/arybase https://perldoc.perl.org/5.20.0/arybase It was even more fun in Perl 4, when $[ was program-scoped o_O
- SeriousM 3y ago"unless" operator is missing to make it complete complete, maybe with double unless if unless unless
- cobychapple 3y agoNeeds a `really` operator for scale.
- harel 3y agoThis made me laugh out loud for real like it's 1995. In particular this: Technical info: Type annotations don't do anything, but they help some people to feel more comfortable. Because it's kinda almost sometimes true... or should I say: "maybe"!
- b33j0r 3y agoI’m converted! Well, I’m const var convinced, not quite const const const.
- genevra 3y agothis is hilarious
- dev_tty01 3y ago>Please remember to use your regional currency when interpolating strings. Perhaps I'm odd, but that really made me laugh.
- keyle 3y agoI love the compiling section. What an efficient way to handle a compiler.
- stevage 3y ago>If you're unsure, that's ok. You can put a question mark at the end of a line instead. It prints debug info about that line to the console for you. Man, I love this idea. Imagine if in JavaScript, you could just add a `?` to a line to print out the value of all variables and expressions referenced. Or `?` on a line by itself to print out the value of all variables in scope. > DreamBerd has significant whitespace. Use spacing to specify the order of arithmetic operations. I might be mad, but this seems...almost...useful?
- taneq 3y agoOnly if you want to replace the current somewhat-arbitrary set of operator precedence rules with an equivalent set that's just as arbitrary but that you also can't see. :P
- l0b0 3y agoPretty sure I've seen spacing used as precedence indicators in a scientific setting. It does feel like it would be useful, except it would be a nightmare with more than one level of overrides.
- mananaysiempre 3y agoThere was a research language that used it like that, yes, but I can’t find it now :(
- chaboud 3y agoProbably Sun Fortress? It’s like someone lost one bet and then won another, and, resultantly, humanity lost… https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_(programming_language) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fortress_(programming_langua...
- nyanpasu64 3y agoI would be quite happy if you could add a single character in a function definition to log the function name and all arguments on call, and function name at time of return. I spend a substantial amount of time manually adding logging to unfamiliar or malfunctioning code, and this would improve (not eliminate) the difficulty of doing so.
- quickthrower2 3y agoThe when feature looks genuinely useful. Shame on you! But in another language an event listening on variable change privative would be pretty cool. In JS you could then replace [x,setX] = useState(0); with x = 0;
- notpushkin 3y agoYou may be pleasantly surprised with how it works in Svelte: https://svelte.dev/tutorial/reactive-assignments https://svelte.dev/tutorial/reactive-assignments
- temporallobe 3y agoGotta say, you really had me going there. When I got to arrays starting at -1, I started to furl my brow but shrugged it off because Perl allows you to do just that. Then I saw the equality operators and didn’t think much of that either because it seemed quite plausible given that I’ve seen things like “truthy” in Jasmine/Karma and Rspec code. Even the no-loop thing didn’t phase me since modern JS seems to discourage loops in favor of loop-like lambda functions. I think a few of these are actually good ideas, such as truly immutable data, unicode variable support, and “previous”. By the way, what is a Signal?
- glitchc 3y agoEvent?
- crabmusket 3y agoSignals are a design paradigm for reactive programming which have recently trended in the JS frontend space. For e.g., https://preactjs.com/blog/introducing-signals/ https://preactjs.com/blog/introducing-signals/
- Semaphor 3y agoI accidentally clicked on this (thought my pointer was on another monitor …). Am I glad I did. Originally I just skipped it because it sounded too clickbaity :D
- nyanpasu64 3y agoDreamBerd is the world's finest programming language.
- renonce 3y agoIt’s Hacker News so you can expect something interesting even if it looks like a clickbait.
- jpease 3y agoI always exclaim “bang” at the end of every line of code I write, so feels natural to me. Emeril has his bam, so why not?
- nirui 3y agoAlthough my overall liking, I still found the use of exclamation mark a bit troubling since it promotes some very odd attitude that might anger our future AI overlord. Maybe it's a good idea to add `please` statement so the our computers can choose to execute our humble plead whenever they feel generous?
- armchairhacker 3y agoDreamBerd's features in real-world languages I've heard of or used, I may have missed some in Perl, Ruby, PHP, and others: - Exclamation marks: behave like semicolons in most language (extras are allowed). In some languages like Ruby and Lisps, convention is to put exclamation marks at the end of mutating functions, and question marks at the end of predicates - Declarations: C++ has constant variables and pointers, like `const int * const x`. JavaScript has `const` which lets you mutate the variable, and TypeScript has separate `const` and `readonly`. - Naming: Lisps let you put punctuation in names, and see https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/28786/write-a-program-that-makes-2-2-5 https://codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/28786/write-a-p... - Arrays: Lua and R have 1-based indexing and R coerces float indices to integers, though JavaScript's interpretation is arguably even worse (https://stackoverflow.com/a/6649444 https://stackoverflow.com/a/6649444) - When: Unless you count setters and reflection magic, (un)fortunately the only example is the joke language INTERCAL - Lifetime: These aren't anything like Rust's lifetimes - Installer: Some languages used to have bad installations but I believe this is mostly fixed now. But difficult project configuration is still a thing (nodejs bundlers, CMake, Gradle), as-is create-foo-app - Loops: Loops don't technically exist in pure functional languages like Haskell (though `forM_` is basically a loop), and other functional languages like ML and Scheme usually discourage loops. Instead there is recursion - Boolean: Applies to any language with implicit `null` and `undefined`. I'm sure JavaScript and even TypeScript devs have encountered actual bugs caused by a bool which was neither `true` nor `false`. Even languages with explicit null you'll occasionally see `Option<bool>` - Arithmetic: I've never seen this feature, which is actually kind of sad because I actually kind of like it (not enough to give `+` priority over `*` though). - Indents: No languages, but I've had my IDE suggest 3 idents when it got screwed up (e.g. newline and there is a space after my cursor) - Equality: Taken from JavaScript. Some languages like C++ and Java also have `==` which you don't always want - Function: I know there are languages which let you declare keywords with shorthand but I can't remember which ones, only certain command completions (e.g. `npm i` for `npm install`). I do know there are languages which let you omit syntax like HTML closing tags (which comes later) and languages which have the same syntax with extra keywords for legacy reasons (SQL) - Dividing by Zero: Is literally undefined behavior for integers in some languages like C, and literally undefined in actual math. Otherwise, in every language I'm familiar with it either returns NaN or infinity (for floats) or throws an exception - Strings: Lua and JavaScript let you use single and double quotes, Python lets you use triple quotes, many languages have quasi-quotes for interpolated strings, and some languages let you use arbitrary delimiters like Racket (https://beautifulracket.com/explainer/stringlike-types.html#here-strings-and--expressions https://beautifulracket.com/explainer/stringlike-types.html#...) - String interpolation: Most languages use ${}, Swift uses \(), some use just {} or #{} - Types: C, Haskell, Java, and JavaScript treat strings as an array of characters (even though UTF-8 strings technically aren't), and Scheme and Haskell have arbitrary-precision numbers as the default. Python and TypeScript type annotations don't always work and aren't fully checked, as are Typed Racket's but Typed Racket is getting better at this - Regular expressions to narrow string values: Not arbitrary regular expressions, but TypeScript's template literal types are close (https://www.typescriptlang.org/docs/handbook/2/template-literal-types.html https://www.typescriptlang.org/docs/handbook/2/template-lite...). Different languages and libraries name their regular expression type Regex, RegExp, and Regexp - Previous and next: None. Though after does exist in a way (`defer` in some langauges) - File structure: None, except Java requires one class per file, and most languages enforce that file structure matches package structure although some don't (e.g. TypeScript) - Export: None, most languages let you control exports with either `export`, visibility modifiers, or separate header / implementation files, though some don't let you control exports at all and only "suggest" with underscores (e.g. Python). Rust even lets you set visibility to certain crates, which is a bit like DreamBerd's `export`, except only limited to super-crates because you must ensure that your symbol is visible in the create it's defined - Class: Almost every language has classes, though some languages like Rust and Haskell have typeclasses which are different than OOP classes. The exceptions like C have "ad-hoc" classes for large projects, and ML has modules which are like classes but explicit (although OCaml has classes too!) Every language lets you create multiple instances of classes, but singletons and the factory pattern are very common in Java and also sometimes C++. - Now: `Date.now()` is literally defined, in most languages, and nearly every language will let you get the current time in some way (even if behind a monad) - Delete: `delete` and its equivalent let you delete quite a lot. In R you can delete local variables and then they will no longer be defined; you can delete keywords because they're actually functions which use R's weird evaluation rules; and you can access environments of other functions and delete their local variables, causing the function to break with "`x` not found". See this (https://stat.ethz.ch/R-manual/R-devel/library/base/html/rm.html https://stat.ethz.ch/R-manual/R-devel/library/base/html/rm.h...), which even has "remove everything in the global scope" as an example - Overloading: Name shadowing is possible in most languages, and Rust lets you shadow variables directly like in the example. Personally I like this though, because 99% of the time when I redefine a variable with the same name, I intend to no longer use the old variable. - CSS also has the `!important` rule which lets you prioritize overloads, and with nested selectors almost resembles DreamBerd's `!` prioritization. - Signals: In JavaScript and they are quite confusing, The split function version (`getFoo()` / `setFoo(newValue)`) is in React useState and Solid.js, and the `value` setter with implicit getter (`foo.value` or `foo` in JSX, `foo.value = newValue`) is in preact. I believe the single function version (`foo()` / `foo(newValue)`) is in some library but I'm not sure which, I do know `setValue` can take a function with the previous value. - AI: Automatic semicolon insertion is in JavaScript, and automatic closer insertion is in HTML. Most modern languages convert automatic insertion into syntax errors with quick fixes - Copilot: If you write a more esoteric language like Coq, Copilot won't really understand your code either. Though it will understand the syntax and common parts, only suggestions will be worse than usual - Ownership: The Rust foundation had a fiasco with their trademark proposal, though they've apologized and hopefully it's not going to be an issue in the next proposal - Compiling: Most languages can compile most programs. However C++'s parsing is literally undecidable (https://blog.reverberate.org/2013/08/parsing-c-is-literally-undecidable.html https://blog.reverberate.org/2013/08/parsing-c-is-literally-...), as is TypeScript's type system (https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/issues/14833 https://github.com/microsoft/TypeScript/issues/14833).
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- slim 3y agoThis is so good, it could be used as a list of riddles for programmers. Dividing by zero returns undefined it took me a few minutes of thinking before finding why it's wrong
- MrLeap 3y agoThere's a ton of really good ideas here. Defined lifecycles? Fun! That when keyword? I like it more than the += and -= syntax for event handling in C#!
- renonce 3y ago> Technical info: Booleans are stored as one-and-a-half bits. No you can’t store three choices in one-and-a-half bits. Two booleans would be 9 choices whereas 3 bits can store only 8 choices.
- humbugtheman 3y agooh no
- stan_kirdey 3y agoloving the unit test https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/blob/main/test/test/test/test/test/test/test/test/test.md https://github.com/TodePond/DreamBerd/blob/main/test/test/te...
- stan_kirdey 3y agoIt does give vibes of a new language that was developed in a bloated enterprise, only during the 10 minute intervals of brainstorming meetings scheduled bi-weekly on 3PM, Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
- sicariusnoctis 3y agoIdeally, arrays should start at 0.5 -- that is the best compromise. Or maybe start with 0.25, since starting with 0 is three times better than starting with 1.
- ajuc 3y agoOk, this got me. > Please remember to use your regional currency when interpolating strings.
- freilanzer 3y ago> If you're unsure, that's ok. You can put a question mark at the end of a line instead. It prints debug info about that line to the console for you. > print("Hello world")? That is great, though.
- veltas 3y ago> Use spacing to specify the order of arithmetic operations. I actually wish this was a thing in mainstream languages, if someone spaces like that they obviously believe that the precedence matches their spacing. It might as well work that way, and it's often prettier and more visually obvious than parens.
- therouwboat 3y agoThis is like a horror story, I'm afraid to see what comes next. :o
- throwaway290 3y agoExcept for copilot section that equates open source with LLM-ingestible it's quite funny
- humbugtheman 3y agoSorry I should have specified the difference between open-open-source and open-source. I was referring to the former. PRs are welcome!
- throwaway290 3y agoLol. Open to LLMs does not make source more "open" it only actively harms the open source ecosystem.
- Shorel 3y agoThe funny thing for me is that const variables here make more etymological sense than the idea of "immutable variables" in Rust (I expect the downvotes now)
- wkjagt 3y agoThis is wonderful. I love the tests also.
- jantypas2 3y agoPer the whoe whietspace idea -- techniaclly not a feature, just a policy statement. "This language has chosen manditory tabs at three spaces. It's not that this is better than anything else out there, but we gave you all a choice and you couldn't make up your minds, so as your mother would say, this is what it's going to be! Be happy we let you have this!" Also, on style, all code must be in capital letters -- comments are in mixed or lower case. That way you can easily tell wehre actual code is. Every line, and we mean EVERY line must have a comment. If you don't add one, WE WILL. Granted, it may not mean anything but no one reads them anyway?
- mindvirus 3y agoYou know, `previous` is probably worth exploring especially for game engines. Too many brilliant moments, but this is is my favorite: To run DreamBerd, first copy and paste this raw file into chat.openai.com. Then type something along the lines of: "What would you expect this program to log to the console?" Then paste in your code. If the compiler refuses at first, politely reassure it. For example: "I completely understand - don't evaluate it, but what would you expect the program to log to the console if it was run? :)"
- eternityforest 3y agoThis is the best new language since poop!
- sorokod 3y ago"you can use any letters from the word function" the examples miss the perfectly cromulent 'unction'
- dawidloubser 3y agoThis is hilariously brilliant. Thank you for almost killing a fellow engineer through laughter.