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>can we just decide as a society to let people take occasional sick days and stop wasting everyone's time with short-term sick notes, I see it as the few arseh

>can we just decide as a society to let people take occasional sick days and stop wasting everyone's time with short-term sick notes, I see it as the few arseholes ruining the system for everyone. That is to say, there's that arsehole who takes leave by lying about having a flu or typhoid or dysentery or whatever else and he ends up costing the company too much in wasted time and pay. So now everyone has to get a note from someone who will insure their reason for taking leave. Which is to say, don't blame the doctors nor the honest patients and workers. Blame the few arseholes that ruin everything for the rest of us.

lumost 3y ago
If it’s one person, then it’s going to be discussed and addressed individually. Most of the time I’ve seen someone like that, they have good reasons that you are simply not privy to.
plagiarist 3y ago
I agree that assholes are to blame, but I disagree with your hypothesis on which assholes and why.
haldujai 3y ago
> costing the company too much in wasted time and pay If this happens it's not occasional and would be better addressed on a case by case basis. > Blame the few arseholes that ruin everything for the rest of us. In light of the added ~1 day/person-year of absence from a permissive self-certification process suggested by the Cochrane review I added in the edit, I would say we just call this the marginal cost of doing business instead of ruining it for everyone. Especially considering the people impacted by such draconian policies tend to be low-wage hourly workers, the added cost would be a rounding error but as a consumer I'd also happily pay the extra ~0.3% so people can take sick days. I would also wager that the improved wellness and morale from being treated with a modicum of respect and decency would result in productivity benefits and savings that outweigh the 0-2 extra missed days a year.
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
  >>>> I would say we just call this the marginal cost of doing business instead of ruining it for everyone. No. That arsehole is causing a major cost on 1 employer. Its certainly not the cost of doing business or a rounding error..
  - haldujai 3y ago
    1 day a year of a low-wage employee, unknown % of which is malingering vs illness, is a major cost on an employer?
    - Dalewyn 3y ago
      Depending on the size of the employer and what the employee is supposed to do, among other contexts, yes.
edrxty 3y ago
....you can fire people if they're being an asshole (at least in the US). Humans are, generally speaking, fucking stupid. When they're in an organizational setting, especially when they don't want to be bothered with organizing, and have power, it's really common for people to just make "rules" about whatever minor inconvenience they perceive. You see it on workers rights subreddits a lot, one person pissed off the boss so they knee-jerk created whatever blanket rule to bludgeon everyone back into line, then everyone gets upset and it ultimately costs them more that it would have to just ignore the problem. This is such a prominent phenomenon that it's the entire basis of running a goddamn insurgency.

lumost 3y ago

If it’s one person, then it’s going to be discussed and addressed individually. Most of the time I’ve seen someone like that, they have good reasons that you are simply not privy to.

plagiarist 3y ago

I agree that assholes are to blame, but I disagree with your hypothesis on which assholes and why.

haldujai 3y ago

> costing the company too much in wasted time and pay If this happens it's not occasional and would be better addressed on a case by case basis. > Blame the few arseholes that ruin everything for the rest of us. In light of the added ~1 day/person-year of absence from a permissive self-certification process suggested by the Cochrane review I added in the edit, I would say we just call this the marginal cost of doing business instead of ruining it for everyone. Especially considering the people impacted by such draconian policies tend to be low-wage hourly workers, the added cost would be a rounding error but as a consumer I'd also happily pay the extra ~0.3% so people can take sick days. I would also wager that the improved wellness and morale from being treated with a modicum of respect and decency would result in productivity benefits and savings that outweigh the 0-2 extra missed days a year.

IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago
>>>> I would say we just call this the marginal cost of doing business instead of ruining it for everyone. No. That arsehole is causing a major cost on 1 employer. Its certainly not the cost of doing business or a rounding error..
- haldujai 3y ago
  1 day a year of a low-wage employee, unknown % of which is malingering vs illness, is a major cost on an employer?
  - Dalewyn 3y ago
    Depending on the size of the employer and what the employee is supposed to do, among other contexts, yes.

edrxty 3y ago

....you can fire people if they're being an asshole (at least in the US). Humans are, generally speaking, fucking stupid. When they're in an organizational setting, especially when they don't want to be bothered with organizing, and have power, it's really common for people to just make "rules" about whatever minor inconvenience they perceive. You see it on workers rights subreddits a lot, one person pissed off the boss so they knee-jerk created whatever blanket rule to bludgeon everyone back into line, then everyone gets upset and it ultimately costs them more that it would have to just ignore the problem. This is such a prominent phenomenon that it's the entire basis of running a goddamn insurgency.