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I loathed these visits when I had to do primary care. I understand the patient's position and don't hold that against them but can we just decide as a society t
by haldujai 3y ago
I loathed these visits when I had to do primary care. I understand the patient's position and don't hold that against them but can we just decide as a society to let people take occasional sick days and stop wasting everyone's time with short-term sick notes, especially as these requirements disproportionately affect low SES individuals.
I'm sure someone's studied it but I would confidently bet this song and dance costs society more than the supposed malingering it is preventing.
> Now a doctor's note seems to be a reasonable ask, but have you ever tried to get one? Start with limited transportation and insurance, then get into the doctor's office and ask. I think I've made 3-4 requests and at least two, I was refused any excuse.
Is this common? I perform procedures sometimes and most of the things I do require no time off / limitations so I don't get asked a lot but I've been noticing patients seem increasingly awkward when asking for a sick note and go into a long story trying to justify the request. Haven't been sure why as I sure as shit wouldn't want to work the day after I had a biopsy but your experience provides some context.
Personally, I have an extremely low threshold to write a 2-3 day note if someone wants one which is how I was taught in medical school, I assumed this was how most physicians practiced.
Unless someone is a frequent flier asking for sick notes every week (without an appropriate reason) I wonder where the physician hesitancy is coming from, it's incredibly easy to medicolegally justify a short leave < 7 days.
Edit: Checked Cochrane out of curiosity and was surprised to see they had a review on this topic with (unsurprisingly) "very low certainty" evidence.
For self-certification < 3 days 2 studies reported an increase in work time lost of 0.54 and 1.38 days/person-year. On the other hand increasing self-certification to 50 days or 1 year had decreased impact on time off (granted it seems they only counted days off due to longer absences).
Even if these numbers are accurate for < 3 days (ignoring all the methodological flaws pointed out in the Cochrane review) this is already such a minuscule effect before factoring in the increased spread of illness, economic impact and burden on the system it's barely worth discussing.
Honestly, even assuming the worst that this is malingering for 1 day/year I feel like we're better off as a society just calling it a "wellness day" and moving on.
https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD013098.pub2/abstract https://www.cochranelibrary.com/cdsr/doi/10.1002/14651858.CD...
- Dalewyn 3y ago>can we just decide as a society to let people take occasional sick days and stop wasting everyone's time with short-term sick notes, I see it as the few arseholes ruining the system for everyone. That is to say, there's that arsehole who takes leave by lying about having a flu or typhoid or dysentery or whatever else and he ends up costing the company too much in wasted time and pay. So now everyone has to get a note from someone who will insure their reason for taking leave. Which is to say, don't blame the doctors nor the honest patients and workers. Blame the few arseholes that ruin everything for the rest of us.
- lumost 3y agoIf it’s one person, then it’s going to be discussed and addressed individually. Most of the time I’ve seen someone like that, they have good reasons that you are simply not privy to.
- plagiarist 3y agoI agree that assholes are to blame, but I disagree with your hypothesis on which assholes and why.
- haldujai 3y ago> costing the company too much in wasted time and pay If this happens it's not occasional and would be better addressed on a case by case basis. > Blame the few arseholes that ruin everything for the rest of us. In light of the added ~1 day/person-year of absence from a permissive self-certification process suggested by the Cochrane review I added in the edit, I would say we just call this the marginal cost of doing business instead of ruining it for everyone. Especially considering the people impacted by such draconian policies tend to be low-wage hourly workers, the added cost would be a rounding error but as a consumer I'd also happily pay the extra ~0.3% so people can take sick days. I would also wager that the improved wellness and morale from being treated with a modicum of respect and decency would result in productivity benefits and savings that outweigh the 0-2 extra missed days a year.
- IG_Semmelweiss 3y ago