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I guess the devil's advocate is similar but it's coal to produce the electricity compared to the diesel truck. Thinking both aren't great.

olddustytrail 3y ago
This study is from Sweden, and there are no coal power stations in Sweden. They closed the last in 2020.
bertil 3y ago
You are arguing against coal power plants. No one is disagreeing with you there.
- justinator 3y ago
  I think I'm arguing that we should look at the long tail of power source/generation of both diesel and electric vehicles. The problem may be that "both aren't perfectly great" and maybe the best solution, despite Capitalism, is to use less as one of the only ways to well: save ourselves from destroying the Planet.
ustolemyname 3y ago
Only 19% of electricity generated today in the US is from coal, trending toward 0. Then consider larger fossil fuel power plants are far more efficient than the tiny engines in vehicles. "Coal is used to power electric vehicles," is an argument that is more noise than signal.
- justinator 3y ago
  This is regional dependent. The last time I looked in Colorado, and electric vehicle is actually spews more pollution when running than a gas car b/c of the amount of coal power plants that we run - much to the chagrine of all the Boulderites in their Teslas.
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  - ZeroGravitas 3y ago
    This site suggests a Tesla 3 in Boulder gets 66 mpg-equivalent (more if they have solar): https://evtool.ucsusa.org/ https://evtool.ucsusa.org/
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    Colorado is 30% NG and 30% coal, probably because a lot of coal is mined in adjacent Wyoming and MT. The rest are renewables. The coal number keeps dropping, so EV use will improve over time without upgrading the vehicle.
crote 3y ago
EVs emit less CO2 than diesel trucks even when the electricity is produced using coal power plants. And the best part is that coal is on its way out, rapidly being replaced by gas and renewables, so EVs get even better over time!

olddustytrail 3y ago

This study is from Sweden, and there are no coal power stations in Sweden. They closed the last in 2020.

bertil 3y ago

You are arguing against coal power plants. No one is disagreeing with you there.

justinator 3y ago
I think I'm arguing that we should look at the long tail of power source/generation of both diesel and electric vehicles. The problem may be that "both aren't perfectly great" and maybe the best solution, despite Capitalism, is to use less as one of the only ways to well: save ourselves from destroying the Planet.

ustolemyname 3y ago

Only 19% of electricity generated today in the US is from coal, trending toward 0. Then consider larger fossil fuel power plants are far more efficient than the tiny engines in vehicles. "Coal is used to power electric vehicles," is an argument that is more noise than signal.

justinator 3y ago
This is regional dependent. The last time I looked in Colorado, and electric vehicle is actually spews more pollution when running than a gas car b/c of the amount of coal power plants that we run - much to the chagrine of all the Boulderites in their Teslas.
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- ZeroGravitas 3y ago
  This site suggests a Tesla 3 in Boulder gets 66 mpg-equivalent (more if they have solar): https://evtool.ucsusa.org/ https://evtool.ucsusa.org/
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  Colorado is 30% NG and 30% coal, probably because a lot of coal is mined in adjacent Wyoming and MT. The rest are renewables. The coal number keeps dropping, so EV use will improve over time without upgrading the vehicle.

crote 3y ago

EVs emit less CO2 than diesel trucks even when the electricity is produced using coal power plants. And the best part is that coal is on its way out, rapidly being replaced by gas and renewables, so EVs get even better over time!