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Seems we are back to the mainframe era, or getting very close to it. I like to use my own tools, like emacs of vim, instead seems people will all be using the
by jmclnx 3y ago
Seems we are back to the mainframe era, or getting very close to it. I like to use my own tools, like emacs of vim, instead seems people will all be using the same tools (IDE/browser) for development if this goes mainstream.
- Animats 3y agoTime-sharing! It's back!
- qwertox 3y ago> I like to use my own tools, like emacs of vim So you just need to rent a VPS to get the same type of offering which is not a solution to IDE users. There's nothing bad about IDEs.
- dec0dedab0de 3y agoYou can run an IDE on a VPS using x11 forwarding, or even with vnc/rdp
- spockz 3y agoIntelliJ/IDEA now has the ability to have a local ui and a remote server. The successor , Fleet, has it as well. Visual Studio Code has it as well. Then there are options like theia or other self hosted workspaces. Rendering can all be done locally with compute remote, only communicating minimal amounts of changes.
- cloudking 3y agoThis is really intended for development work on complex codebases with long running build/test times. Developing and running builds on a powerful remote system in a data center from your laptop is a game changer, as long as you have a good connection and low latency.
- fragmede 3y agoLow latency definitely makes for a better experience, but since it's javascript running the browser, I assume typing into the editor textarea and most features will go as fast as javascript will go.
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- ransackdev 3y agoDo you type faster than what javascript is able to handle?
- gregschlom 3y agoDepends on how much JS is trying to handle.
- dijit 3y agoI think you’re forgetting that javascript in this context needs to be constantly re-evaluating the whole document; It must do this for syntax highlighting alone, not to mention other plugins, spell checkers and auto-completes
- geek_at 3y agobut since most editors are also just electron apps, it's not much of a difference
- jayd16 3y agoWhat kind of workload favors the cloud over a powerful laptop, let alone a desktop machine? Surely the security is the only real advantage.
- mistrial9 3y agocode close to data is the real one; managed services for companies that fire a lot of devs is a cynical one; always-on security updates probably big too. (at school they call me a "box hugger")
- bitwize 3y agoI see this promulgated a lot by big corpos but little uptake or enthusiasm among actual developers, nor the companies that employ them. For compliance with various anti-data-leak standards we currently use a very janky remote development setup at work. We're working on improving this situation while maintaining compliance. The thing I keep hearing from devs is "wouldn't it be nice if we could develop pn our Macs?" I guess the bigcorps will have to deprecate and eventually stop development on local IDEs if they really want us to work this way, but I don't see that happening.
- mattlondon 3y agoThis supports VScode remote development, so your engineers can run VScode in their Mac's and access the remote. I have been doing VScode remote development for ages now and it is awesome. Even from a Chromebook
- ResearchCode 3y agoIf they don't mind the telemetry.
- reaperducer 3y agoIf they don't mind the telemetry. Well, it's Google Cloud Workstations. So you're already dancing with a devil. Might as well dance with two.
- femboy 3y agoHow does the data / telemetry Google collects on everyone compare with Google Cloud data collected on paying customers?
- NotEvil 3y agoNot necessarily, it's open protocol with vim plugin. Mainly just ssh and running commands. And a part of ide running on server and client
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- riffic 3y agomore people should recognize or write about the pendulum of centralization/decentralization in computing and impacts like this one.
- reaperducer 3y agoSeems we are back to the mainframe era, or getting very close to it. Or the thin clients that were all the rage for a week-and-a-half back in the late 90's. Salesdroid: "Why spend $3,000 on each computer for your office, when you can use our thin client, which is only $1,500, including keyboard and mouse?" Dell: - Starts shipping full computers for $299 -
- pjmlp 3y agoThin clients never went away in non software focused industries. What do you think restaurants, downtown shops, travel agencies, factory floor,doctors,.... are using?
- regularfry 3y ago10 year old Windows 7 PCs full of malware? Not so much "thin" as "plague-ridden and emaciated"...
- pjmlp 3y agoLenovo ThinkCentre, HP Thin, Android tablets,...
- monocasa 3y agoThinkCentres and Android tablets aren't really thin clients. They can run thin client software, but so can pretty much all thick clients.
- pjmlp 3y agoThey are given that they don't work without the browser based software, or Web widgets, that those business rely on.
- monocasa 3y ago...they absolutely work without browser based software. Unless your definition of 'thin client's is 'anything with a browser regardless of whatever other software it runs'. Or unless you're counting stuff like electron as 'thin clients'. There's ThinkCentre M, their small thin client segment, but that's a tiny part of the whole ThinkCentre line, which includes normal desktops and workstations.
- api 3y agoI’ve been calling cloud “mainframe 2.0” since the 2000s. There are certain scale, convenience, and security benefits to mainframes but they come at the price of privacy, autonomy, latency, and sometimes cost depending on your exact utilization pattern. Personally I find it very dystopian but I’m a child of the PC and early Internet era and the idea of personal computing always seemed magical. On cost it’s like other capital assets: if you use it heavily and evenly it makes more sense to buy, but if you use it rarely or you need “burstable” use it’s better to rent.
- pjmlp 3y agoThe difference being that Web shell and browser are somehow better than orange and green phosphor terminals.
- scarface_74 3y agoIt’s just a Linux environment. You can still use your own tools.
- pjmlp 3y agoThat depends on how it gets managed by IT. With my SecDevOps hat on, it would be as locked down as it needs for project delivery.
- scarface_74 3y agoAnd how is that different than a local computer with the same policy? It’s not the Cloud IDE that’s limiting you, it is the internal policy.
- pjmlp 3y agoNo physical access, can be dynamically reconfigured in hardware capabilities.
- pjmlp 3y agoWe are, since I went back to cloud native development, I am back on the early university days using DG/UX, or the commercial UNIX development servers from early 2000's.