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Super rich who are famous, probably. It's also a matter of convenience: you don't want thousands of people with "great investment ideas" to approach you constan

Super rich who are famous, probably. It's also a matter of convenience: you don't want thousands of people with "great investment ideas" to approach you constantly, and the security will not only stop you being assaulted but also stop randoms from coming up to you. But I do know someone who is merely an heir, who doesn't need to live with a bunch of security all the time, because he's not famous. So probably fame has more to do with it than wealth. Not sure what you do if you're famous but not wealthy, I imagine that could be problematic.

dangwhy 3y ago
Didn't bunch of his nudes and personal messages get leaked. Why wouldn't he apply same level of scrutiny to his personal data. baffling to me.
- netrus 3y ago
  His personal data was most likely obtained and leaked by a foreign state, if memory serves me well. Said foreign state would also not be stopped by any number of men in black suites if it wanted to physically harm Bezos. That's simply an attack vector beyond any non-state measures.
  - dangwhy 3y ago
    > His personal data was most likely obtained and leaked by a foreign state, never heard of this. I thought it was his fiance's brother?
    - netrus 3y ago
      I was referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos_phone_hacking_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos_phone_hacking_incid... I did not know about the part of the story involving the brother, I must have missed it at that time.
      - dangwhy 3y ago
        Its in the webpage you linked "In March 2019, AMI released a statement responding to de Becker's column that the only source for their story on Bezos was Michael Sanchez, the brother of Bezos's girlfriend, and that there was "no involvement by any other third party whatsoever."[24] A year later, Michael Sanchez sued AMI, stating in court documents that when the National Enquirer first contacted him, they already had "raunchy text messages and nude selfies exchanged" by Bezos and Sanchez's sister. Michael Sanchez denied giving AMI explicit photos, and accused AMI of hacking Bezos's phone."
knallfrosch 3y ago
The German YouTuber Drachenlord is famous and poor, and he has been harassed for years. People vandalize his father's grave, break into his home, the police don't come any more. It's cruel and the bullies want him to overreact so that they can also sue him in court.
- wsgeorge 3y ago
  > It's cruel and the bullies want him to overreact so that they can also sue him in court Can't he pre-empt this by suing them instead? What's preventing that? I assume his state or the federal legal system has some way of dealing with this...
  - hgsgm 3y ago
    Legal system doesn't bother with harassment.
  - Tuna-Fish 3y ago
    Harassment laws generally require a pattern of behavior. You can do surprisingly shitty things once without risk of losing lawsuits. The problem with this is when you are a very public and controversial online person, and you attract hundreds or thousands of nutcases you disagree with you, you can get harassed plenty without anyone crossing over into territory where there is a cause of action.
- kevviiinn 3y ago
  Wow that was a wild ride https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/s4sqnk/the_story_of_drachenlord_how_one_man_managed_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/s4sqnk/the_st...
TMWNN 3y ago
> But I do know someone who is merely an heir, who doesn't need to live with a bunch of security all the time, because he's not famous. This is why many junior/cadet members of foreign royal families like living in the US; they are anonymous here. Princess Victoria, the heir to the Swedish throne, was a student at Yale. Even the Windsors; not Harry and Meghan, of course, but Gabriella Windsor graduated from Brown without much public attention.
- lsllc 3y ago
  > Harry and Megan Who?
- masfuerte 3y ago
  I'm British and I've never heard of Lady Gabriella Marina Alexandra Ophelia Windsor (I looked her up). I'd be surprised if she gets recognised in the UK.
SilverBirch 3y ago
This story is from 2004 though, this is a long time before Bezos was "The man who could be the worlds richest man if he could keep it in his pants". This was back when he was just a moderately successful CEO.
- notatoad 3y ago
  "a moderately successful CEO" in 2004 he was the founder, majority owner, and CEO of a company with a ~$19bn market cap. he was still firmly in the ranks of the ultra-wealthy.
  - adventured 3y ago
    He was among the world's richest 100 persons in 2004 to further that point.
    - SilverBirch 3y ago
      Yes, number 84 on the list between... two people you couldn't name. Literally, one is an heiress, the other runs a high street fashion brand in the UK.
  - SilverBirch 3y ago
    He was absolutely ultra wealthy. But there's a difference between ultra wealthy and being one of the wealthiest people on the planet. Jeff Bezos was on the long list of wealthy people in 2004, not the short list and it's easy to forget that the move from the long list to the short list isn't gauaranteed, and doing so doesn't require you to go out in public with extremely erect nipples.
gonehome 3y ago
I think famous not wealthy people (especially those that are victims of internet mobs) end up in hiding and it’s a pretty bad situation for them. There’s also the middle case too - I’m not sure what level of wealth Sam Harris has, but I don’t know if he’s able to afford this kind of security (and I know he gets a lot of death threats). At some threshold of fame it seems like you just attract crazy people and the risk of them attacking you goes up substantially.
- Zanni 3y ago
  Tim Ferriss has a great blog about this (the risk from crazy folks as your fame increases): https://tim.blog/2020/02/02/reasons-to-not-become-famous/ https://tim.blog/2020/02/02/reasons-to-not-become-famous/

dangwhy 3y ago

Didn't bunch of his nudes and personal messages get leaked. Why wouldn't he apply same level of scrutiny to his personal data. baffling to me.

netrus 3y ago
His personal data was most likely obtained and leaked by a foreign state, if memory serves me well. Said foreign state would also not be stopped by any number of men in black suites if it wanted to physically harm Bezos. That's simply an attack vector beyond any non-state measures.
- dangwhy 3y ago
  > His personal data was most likely obtained and leaked by a foreign state, never heard of this. I thought it was his fiance's brother?
  - netrus 3y ago
    I was referring to this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos_phone_hacking_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Bezos_phone_hacking_incid... I did not know about the part of the story involving the brother, I must have missed it at that time.
    - dangwhy 3y ago
      Its in the webpage you linked "In March 2019, AMI released a statement responding to de Becker's column that the only source for their story on Bezos was Michael Sanchez, the brother of Bezos's girlfriend, and that there was "no involvement by any other third party whatsoever."[24] A year later, Michael Sanchez sued AMI, stating in court documents that when the National Enquirer first contacted him, they already had "raunchy text messages and nude selfies exchanged" by Bezos and Sanchez's sister. Michael Sanchez denied giving AMI explicit photos, and accused AMI of hacking Bezos's phone."

knallfrosch 3y ago

The German YouTuber Drachenlord is famous and poor, and he has been harassed for years. People vandalize his father's grave, break into his home, the police don't come any more. It's cruel and the bullies want him to overreact so that they can also sue him in court.

wsgeorge 3y ago
> It's cruel and the bullies want him to overreact so that they can also sue him in court Can't he pre-empt this by suing them instead? What's preventing that? I assume his state or the federal legal system has some way of dealing with this...
- hgsgm 3y ago
  Legal system doesn't bother with harassment.
- Tuna-Fish 3y ago
  Harassment laws generally require a pattern of behavior. You can do surprisingly shitty things once without risk of losing lawsuits. The problem with this is when you are a very public and controversial online person, and you attract hundreds or thousands of nutcases you disagree with you, you can get harassed plenty without anyone crossing over into territory where there is a cause of action.
kevviiinn 3y ago
Wow that was a wild ride https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/s4sqnk/the_story_of_drachenlord_how_one_man_managed_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/s4sqnk/the_st...

TMWNN 3y ago

> But I do know someone who is merely an heir, who doesn't need to live with a bunch of security all the time, because he's not famous. This is why many junior/cadet members of foreign royal families like living in the US; they are anonymous here. Princess Victoria, the heir to the Swedish throne, was a student at Yale. Even the Windsors; not Harry and Meghan, of course, but Gabriella Windsor graduated from Brown without much public attention.

lsllc 3y ago
> Harry and Megan Who?
masfuerte 3y ago
I'm British and I've never heard of Lady Gabriella Marina Alexandra Ophelia Windsor (I looked her up). I'd be surprised if she gets recognised in the UK.

SilverBirch 3y ago

This story is from 2004 though, this is a long time before Bezos was "The man who could be the worlds richest man if he could keep it in his pants". This was back when he was just a moderately successful CEO.

notatoad 3y ago
"a moderately successful CEO" in 2004 he was the founder, majority owner, and CEO of a company with a ~$19bn market cap. he was still firmly in the ranks of the ultra-wealthy.
- adventured 3y ago
  He was among the world's richest 100 persons in 2004 to further that point.
  - SilverBirch 3y ago
    Yes, number 84 on the list between... two people you couldn't name. Literally, one is an heiress, the other runs a high street fashion brand in the UK.
- SilverBirch 3y ago
  He was absolutely ultra wealthy. But there's a difference between ultra wealthy and being one of the wealthiest people on the planet. Jeff Bezos was on the long list of wealthy people in 2004, not the short list and it's easy to forget that the move from the long list to the short list isn't gauaranteed, and doing so doesn't require you to go out in public with extremely erect nipples.

gonehome 3y ago

I think famous not wealthy people (especially those that are victims of internet mobs) end up in hiding and it’s a pretty bad situation for them. There’s also the middle case too - I’m not sure what level of wealth Sam Harris has, but I don’t know if he’s able to afford this kind of security (and I know he gets a lot of death threats). At some threshold of fame it seems like you just attract crazy people and the risk of them attacking you goes up substantially.

Zanni 3y ago
Tim Ferriss has a great blog about this (the risk from crazy folks as your fame increases): https://tim.blog/2020/02/02/reasons-to-not-become-famous/ https://tim.blog/2020/02/02/reasons-to-not-become-famous/