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A $200 mini-laptop with a Intel 8088 chip and 640KB
- navjack27 3y agoWould be cool if there was a video out... Would be cooler if it was a 386.
- bombcar 3y agohttps://www.tomshardware.com/news/hand-386-handheld https://www.tomshardware.com/news/hand-386-handheld
- ftxbro 3y ago640KB really was enough
- prepend 3y agoNot if you have Stacker.
- selcuka 3y agoJust add a 1TB NVMe and ditch Stacker. /s
- basementcat 3y agoHow many cylinders, heads and sectors does the 1TB NVMe have?
- avidphantasm 3y agoInverse ramdisk?
- jasomill 3y agoAs the owner of an obscure floppy disk subsystem that requires an 8-bit ISA card and was originally spec'ed to run on XT-class hardware, this is tempting. In particular, 640 kB really is enough, as the bundled software runs in real mode, doesn't support extended or expanded memory, and predates tricks like loading DOS in high memory by a number of years (not that they'd work on an XT in any case). The disk read/write code and some of the simpler filesystem modules run on the ISA card itself, essentially an 8085-based SBC with a rather flexible (no pun intended) floppy controller. Here, 64 kB is necessarily enough for everything. The fun part is that, assuming an Intel MDS 80/ISIS-compatible toolchain, the card can easily be coerced to run arbitrary code. And, while working Intel "blue" hardware is thin on the ground, I have personal experience with at least one working emulator (MAME) able to run ISIS.
- codpiece 3y agoI really hate Liliputing. After browsing, I somehow have several tiny laptops that I don't need but truly love like the Magic Ben MAG1 and the Pomera DM30. And Jetpens. I hate Jetpens too. I can't believe how many...
- cdchn 3y agoI never heard of Jetpens before but I'm excited to see they sell what is essentially colossal, unbranded Altoids tins https://www.jetpens.com/Velos-Tin-Pen-Case-Wide/pd/14193 https://www.jetpens.com/Velos-Tin-Pen-Case-Wide/pd/14193
- jazzyjackson 3y agolol, not a bad price, what excites you about it tho?
- Hextinium 3y agoAltoids tins are pretty strong, small enough to be handy and cheap. This makes them the ideal container for a lot of small electronics projects, but a pi doesn't quite fit. I see it as a perfect small electronics container which you can pull out and use on the go.
- jazzyjackson 3y agohmmm gives me an idea, thanks back in high schools I had a zen micro mp3 player that fit snugly inside an altoids tin, drilled a hole for the headphone jack and felt pretty stylish.
- inconceivable 3y agofyi these kinds of pen cases have been popular in asia and asian communities worldwide for decades, usually for carrying mechanical pencils and their accessories (extra lead, erasers, protractors, rulers, mini notebooks, sticky pads, whatever) western equivalent would be trapper keepers with their pencil pouches.
- bigjimmyk3 3y agoBoy, does this bring back some good memories of the Toshiba Libretto: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Libretto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toshiba_Libretto I bought one on the gray market in 1996, and I think I managed to double my money in about 6 months by reselling it within the US. It was supremely handy to have around, but with only one PCMCIA slot you had to choose between wired networking and a CD-ROM drive.
- wang_li 3y agoAs a nerd of a certain age I’ve been deeply attracted to retro computing. Even going so far as to place bids on 30 year old Atari STs on eBay since that was a computer I had in the late ‘80s/early ‘90s. But in recent days, through the use of modern emulators I’ve dabbled in these retro systems and I’ve come to the conclusion that they’re just bad. They are fine for the enjoyment of certain games and reliving or just getting a reminder of my younger years. Yet these home computers of that era lack so much. No MMU, no FPU, no IP networking. Very limited CPU cycles and memory. Even switching from home computers of the era to workstation class system, it’s pure frustration at the limits on what can be done. Don’t get me wrong, for a lot of my computing needs I could probably get along just fine with a next cube or a late model Mac II. But on the other hand you’ll pay hundreds or thousands of dollars for these systems, while I can go on Amazon and spend ~$200 for a mouse, keyboard, cheap monitor, and a raspberry pi zero w and I’ll have a more capable system in every way. For just a little more money I can buy a tiny PC that is able to emulate near perfectly all the computers of my youth. Thank you for attending my Ted talk.
- inconceivable 3y agonearly all of the old stuff just sucked. there's a reason we threw it all away (for the most part) and have turned to emulation. the new low power SoC systems with actual connectivity are much more interesting... probably why they can barely keep the stuff in stock. as a bonus, they can run emulation just fine. old, and new, in one package.
- chihuahua 3y agoI feel the same way about computers of the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. I owned several of them, used them a lot (mostly programming for fun), and much of the experience just sucked. I do not understand the appeal of retrocomputing. But I'm happy that there are a lot of options for people who like that sort of thing.
- hilbert42 3y ago"I do not understand the appeal of retrocomputing." But at least one knew what was going on. If one didn't then one could probe the hardware with a logic analyzer and an oscilloscope. Try that today and see how far you get. Mind you, the 8088 was a dog of a processor, too little too late and far tooooo slow (nobbling the 8086 was a dumb retrograde idea).
- zhte415 3y agoIt looks like it has a decent keyboard with some travel, edged sides of keys, though despite having six rows lacks PgUp, PgDn, Home and End.
- Andys 3y ago& Hilariously includes a Windows key despite not being able to run any version of Windows for which this key was introduced
- andsoitis 3y ago> along with support for an optional 8087 math co-processor. I'll take it with the co-processor.
- repler 3y agoNo turbo button?
- jandrese 3y agoIt's an 8088, not a 80286! This one isn't even 16 bit.
- G3rn0ti 3y ago8088 were 16-bit CPUs, it’s just Intel had its memory bus limited to 8 lines.
- rzzzt 3y agoThere were 8088 variants rated for 8+ MHz, motherboards supporting them had independent oscillators for the CPU and the ISA bus and you could switch speeds with software or a keyboard shortcut. Maybe also a button?
- steelframe 3y agoI owned one. The combo was Ctrl-Alt-Minus. There were a lot of DOS games that were designed to run at exactly 4.77Mhz. The gameplay and music would run at 2x if you enabled turbo mode.
- Mistletoe 3y agoI didn’t know the chip shortage had gotten this bad. :)
- selcuka 3y agoCurious. Why do we need an actual 8088? Aren't all x86 processors backwards compatible with 8088/8086? Also last time I checked VGA cards supported legacy modes such as CGA, and EGA (this may not be the case anymore). Any modern Intel laptop should be able to run the same software, without emulation.
- skulk 3y agoThe end goal of this product isn't to run software, it's to hold a piece of history in your hands and play with it and revel in that feeling.
- userbinator 3y agoAny modern Intel laptop should be able to run the same software, without emulation. Unfortunately not, UEFI-only BIOSes and locked-down bootloaders are a thing today.
- icedchai 3y agoIs there something wrong with using a VM?
- saltminer 3y agoIn theory, no, but if you're using an AMD Ryzen CPU, there's some nasty bugs related to VME instructions (which AMD appears to have no intention of fixing) that break some DOS-based applications, including Windows 3, 9x, and probably the other DOS-based Windows versions as well but I never tried them. NT-based Windows works, though early versions do not perform as well as they do on Intel (my R7 1700 and 5700X run Windows 2000 VMs worse than my old i5-6600...I wish I was joking).
- issung 3y agoFunny to see planet x3 on the store images, a game made by youtuber 8-bit guy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szhv6fwx7GY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szhv6fwx7GY
- narrator 3y agoI had an HP 200LX that was way cooler than this thing back in the late 90s and ran DOS, Lotus 123, etc. Still some vintage used ones around:https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m570.l1313&_nkw=200LX&_sacat=0 https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2380057.m...
- userbinator 3y agoThe fact that it appears to use an actual 8088 (and 8087) is somewhat surprising, considering that the whole PC/XT that this model claims to be compatible with could probably be implemented on a single COB like what happened to the NES. Also amusing is that the keyboard has a Windows key.
- NikolaNovak 3y agoSo close. But as others mentioned why not something like vga or at least ega and 286? You could still run 80s still but you could then also do a space quest v and some of later Lucas arts games... Which embarrassingly would make it a must have for me even though I own 27 copies of them on GoG and steam and bundle and cd and wherever :)
- citrin_ru 3y ago465 is a sweet spot for me between being retro and being more capable (e. g. it would allow to run many games from early 90s).
- eckza 3y ago> Unfortunately there’s no information on the battery capacity or battery life, but the little computer works with a 12V/1.5A power supply. Let's be real for a moment; you wouldn't be getting a true vintage mobile computing experience if you weren't tethered to an electrical socket!
- m3kw9 3y agoIs there a turbo button?
- Andys 3y agoIt runs at the original "base" level (4.77MHz) so there's no Turbo to toggle :D
- neilv 3y agoWhat they originally looked like: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compaq_Portable
- earthboundkid 3y agoWhy 8088? All the good DOS stuff requires at least a 286. You’re pretty much limited to extremely early 80s software with that.
- bitshiffed 3y agoThe creator of this machine also made a palmtop 386 - https://youtu.be/JI71ELzd498 https://youtu.be/JI71ELzd498 . They're both beautiful machines! I found them a couple of days ago, and the 386 was already sold out. I was hoping to eventually pick up one of the 8088s; but it looks like they'll disappear now too.
- polpo 3y agoI ordered a HAND 386 before it was removed from sale. The order hasn’t shipped yet and I’m trying to not get my hopes up too much that it will actually ship. I was going to use it was a portable testbench for my RP2040-based ISA card emulation projects.
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- anovikov 3y agoWhy so small? 24cm width wtf? Why not a full sized laptop? Screen will be basically invisible, size of a typical smartphone screen. Also 16:9 screen ratio will definitely work poorly with almost all nontrivial DOS apps.
- Frenchgeek 3y agoBecause that's what they had on hand (at the right price) to get rid of all that old hardware, I suspect.
- teleforce 3y ago8088 chip does not include FPU, does this laptop has one, otherwise it is going to be very slow.
- tjohns 3y agoThat's what the 8087 coprocessor option is for.
- whartung 3y agoVery little is going to prevent this thing from being very slow. It’s an 8088 running 4.77Mhz, on a not really great system architecture. Head to head the original PC was slower than competing Z80s at 4Mhz. The truly singular advancement the 8088 brought was more precious, precious memory. The PC itself was a different phenomenon. What it lacked in performance it made up for in many other ways. For most applications, particularly early on, the 8087 did not bring a lot to the table to improve performance. GW-BASIC did not recognize it, for example. Wasn’t going to make Wordstar any faster. And it was an expensive add-on. Numeric coprocessors we’re always pretty niche until they came bundled with the 486 and 68040, even then the 486SX and 68LC040 continued to sell, and did not have bundled FPUs.
- Andys 3y agoA lot of software back then tended to stick to integer operations for everything as much as possible, at least where performance mattered.
- wkat4242 3y agoAlmost no DOS or Win3 programs were able to use a 8087 FPU anyway. Only very specific stuff like autocad. Perhaps lotus 123.
- ch_123 3y agoThere is a slot for an optional one, but as others have pointed out - software for the 8088 which used FP were few and far between.
- chem83 3y agoDOS emulation is not a very battery-efficient way to play '88-98 games on the go, so projects like these seem to cater to that specific need, letting people run DOS natively. The Toshiba Libretto was a nice, small machine, but finding one in good condition is super hard. Toshiba Portégé was another, but after Pentium-II models, they took away the OPL3 card in favor of something more Windows-friendly (AC97), which doesn't have good DOS drivers. Now there's SBEMU (https://github.com/crazii/SBEMU https://github.com/crazii/SBEMU), which can emulate SB/SBPRO/SB16 on top of newer PCI-based sound cards, including AC97 ones, solving that problem. Now it's possible to have sound on a Pentium-II, III, M and Atom machines running DOS, like a Sony Vaio P.
- marttt 3y agoHave you tested SBEMU? I wonder how well or hassle-free it works in reality. I'm interested in creating a SvarDOS [1] machine for some tasks, inclding some low-end audio processing, probably with some custom "program". 1: http://svardos.org/ http://svardos.org/
- chem83 3y agoSome folks on YouTube have it running on laptops running FreeDOS. It’s not perfect, but many games seem to work.
- AshamedCaptain 3y ago> DOS emulation is not a very battery-efficient way to play '88-98 games on the go They don't mention the battery capacity or specific 8086 variant used but modern ones use to average 2W of consumption; there are zero power saving modes; and the guy even says that when using 8087 the mini-laptop must "be plugged in all the time". So I rather doubt real hardware is the most efficient way, specially when e.g. with virtualization you can easily have 20+ hours of DOS on a subnotebook.
- chem83 3y ago20+ hours playing games with audio support on a VM? I’d love to see that kind of performance on, say, the GPD Win 4, but it sounds exaggerated. Where could I find this?
- jazzyjackson 3y agoDo they still manufacture 8088 ? Or perhaps someone found some new old stock and got entrepreneurial; I'd love to know the story behind this
- bombcar 3y agoIntel may not but I suspect someone somewhere still is. It’s a powerful microprocessor.
- ac29 3y agoFrom the low resolution pics, it looks like a Oki Semiconductor M80C88A-2
- userbinator 3y agoYes, at least the military version appears to still be in active production, but not cheap: https://www.rocelec.com/part/HARMD80C88-2-883 https://www.rocelec.com/part/HARMD80C88-2-883 The 8087 too: https://www.rocelec.com/part/REILD8087 https://www.rocelec.com/part/REILD8087 I suspect the ones in this laptop are either NOS or recycled, however.
- pmontra 3y agoOuch. "Not cheap" didn't prepare me to see a per unit price of $1,329.27, or $1,222.92 for 1000+ batches.
- zhte415 3y agoI read your comment and thought that can't be a unit of 1, it must be a typo and a batch of 1000. Then I clicked the link. But that can't be. Don't they appear in all kinds of things now, from washing machines to fire alarms? So I checked Alibaba, which has 8088s from $0.3 - $2. [1] I'm confused why the military version is three orders of magnitude more expensive. [1] https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product_en&categoryId=201519301&keywords=8088&tab=all&viewtype=L& https://www.alibaba.com/trade/search?fsb=y&IndexArea=product...
- pier25 3y agoSeems like a great distraction-free writing machine.
- smikhanov 3y agoLikely doesn’t support anything except 8-bit encodings, so only suitable if you’re writing in English without fancy punctuation like em-dashes
- arp242 3y agoYou should be able to switch encodings/codepages in DOS; 8-bit encodings cover many languages, and includes "fancy punctuation". Even the default cp437 covers quite a few of the languages in Latin script.
- Cosi1125 3y agoThis editor [1][2] supports Unicode. [1] http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Blochek http://www.texteditors.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl?Blochek [2] http://web.archive.org/web/20221113215247/http://laaca.sweb.cz/ http://web.archive.org/web/20221113215247/http://laaca.sweb.... EDIT: VGA only, though :-(
- ffsoftboiled 3y agoI would recommend an old Alphasmart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaSmart. Way better battery life and ease of use with USB. It's my go to note and writing machine.
- kitsunesoba 3y agoA "real hardware" approach to retrocomputing like displayed here appeals to me because it much better captures parts of the experience lost to emulation. Things like insanely low latency thanks to there not being a fractal spiral of hardware and software abstractions sitting between everything. It's much more simple, and you can feel that. That said I'd also like to see some modern advancements brought in… for example a reproduction of a mid-90s 68k or PPC Mac using components manufactured on a much smaller node would be incredible. It wouldn't even have to be anything cutting edge like 3/5nm — even the now-ancient 14nm or 30nm would be amazing compared to say the 350nm node that the PowerPC 603ev was manufactured on.
- hedora 3y agoOne of the nicest screens I have ever used was on a monochrome ega laptop. Sure, the pixels were huge and slow, but the contrast ratio was really good without it being too bright. It’s hard to explain why it was so good. I suspect it was a bit transflective.
- deaddodo 3y agoThe problem with those old monochrome/greyscale LCDs is that they were horrendous for ghosting. I imagine if you just wanted an old laptop for wordstar or something, they’d be amazing due to their clarity; but I remember trying to play commander keen on them and getting a headache.
- scns 3y agoThanks for the flashback! Got my first own computer from my grandfather. It was a 486 laptop with a bulitin trackball and floppy drive. The display was as you described. Movement on the screen was just a blurry mess.
- nsxwolf 3y agoI'm also bummed out that these sorts of things are all including OPL2/OPL3 Adlib style clones when I'd much rather have Sound Blaster support with the digital audio channel.
- xwdv 3y agoI’m convinced that just like how humans are attracted to little kittens and puppies, some technophiles easily feel the same attraction to small, harmless looking little computers running tiny software on tiny processors. I feel like buying this even though I have zero need for it.
- etaioinshrdlu 3y agoI just checked, and you can buy a new Intel 8086 on digikey right now: https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/rochester-electronics-llc/MD8086/12125282 https://www.digikey.com/en/products/detail/rochester-electro... The product is not even marked obsolete.
- detrites 3y agoFor $95?? Looks like there are equivalents for $10 available, though.
- RobotToaster 3y agoIIRC, A lot of old chips are basically kept in small batch production for military, aviation, etc, hardware that needs parts repairing or replacing.
- ndiddy 3y agoIt's not straight from Intel, it's from a company called Rochester Electronics that buys EOL chip IP from a bunch of different companies and then makes their products available for legacy devices. They also make Motorola 6809s and 68000s.
- StopHammoTime 3y agoI’m very sure 8086s are still used in Avionics suites for most commercial planes (FMS/MCDUs) as it costs way too much to recertify constantly.
- wildzzz 3y agoRochester Electronics marks them as obsolete. I doubt these are brand new, more than likely they are old stock.
- yosito 3y ago> It does have a few modern touches, including a 512MB CompactFlash card for storage and a USB port for peripherals Modern as in built for 2002?
- runlevel1 3y agoDoes it come on an IBM Microdrive?[^1] [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdrive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microdrive
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- treve 3y agoIs this really based on an 8088? I thought Windows 3.0 requires at least an 286
- stubish 3y agoI had a similar device in my hands 15 years ago in Thailand, with the company making it trying to find a market when OLPC was getting all the press. It was a netbook with a low power 386 compatible CPU and just enough circuitry and support to drive the keyboard, screen, some RAM and the SD card serving as the hard drive, and USB. It booted DOS, and in theory could have run Linux. It was powered by 6 AA batteries. They might have been able to produce them in bulk for $100 USD at the time, but I suspect it would have been more like $200. Didn't go anywhere as far as I know.
- _0xdd 3y agoJust a heads up, it looks like these guys ripped off Serge Kiselev's 8088 BIOS [1]. [1] https://github.com/skiselev/8088_bios https://github.com/skiselev/8088_bios
- deaddodo 3y agoWell: A) it’s a cheap Chinese device, I’m certain some stolen open source code is the least of its infringements. B) it’s licensed GPL, if they made no code changes (however doubtful) they didn’t really rip anything off.
- jamesy0ung 3y agoThey removed his copyright string from it
- bdowling 3y agoIf the code is GPL and you are distributing the code in object form, then it’s okay to remove copyright notices as long as the work carried “prominent notices stating that it is released under [the GPL]”. GPL v3 section 5. [0]. Basically, that section says that if you’re distributing modified code, you’re not required to “keep intact all notices”. Id. [0] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.html
- sneak 3y agoCopying isn't stealing.
- bogantech 3y agoIt is stealing if they change all the copyright notices
- bdowling 3y agoNot if it’s GPL v3 and the code still “carries prominent notices” stating that it’s licensed under the GPL v3. See my other reply. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36024341 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36024341
- WheelsAtLarge 3y agoI still have a DOS based, off brand, laptop from the 90's. It can run the new and improved Windows 3.11. The auction is open. Place your bid. :)
- hougaard 3y agoPointless with a 16:9 ratio display :(
- wkat4242 3y agoThis is really cool but I would have targeted a 286 or 386 with EGA or VGA, not 8088 with CGA. The display used can do a lot more than that anyway and the 386 actually came in a smaller package.
- classified 3y agoSo cool. Besides, who would ever need more than 640 KB of RAM?
- KingOfCoders 3y agoReminds me of my Toshiba Libretto
- andylynch 3y agoThis would be a great upgrade from my Kaypro 2000!
- p0w3n3d 3y agoI need similar but with at least 386, VGA and a soundcard. For to use this gem: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastTracker_2 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FastTracker_2
- muxator 3y agoWhat a badass program it was!
- Frenchgeek 3y agoI think that one ran out of stock: https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005537582724.html https://aliexpress.com/item/1005005537582724.html
- jokoon 3y agoWhy can't they make the same thing but as a phone? I'm desperate to have a cheap, open, frugal device that I can program easily that fit into my pocket. I'm not willing to use Android studio just to make a simple app, or godot, or JavaScript or nodejs. It's 2023 and Carmack is still right, there are way too many layers of crap, we just cannot use our phone like we want. It's awful. It's such a paradox, smartphones are amazingly fast... But it's impossible to find something open and slow. Capitalism makes this impossible.
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- tombert 3y agoMan, I would kill for an out-of-the-box machine that's a tiny bit faster, with a bit more RAM, and has full Voodoo 2 support. I know pcem can do a pretty decent job with voodoo these days, bit would be nice to have something that Just Works so I could play Messiah and Sinistar Unleashed in their full glory again.
- _the_inflator 3y agoFor me, this is the new Raspberry. This machine could be useful especially for testing. While emulators have their merits, usually competitions use real hardware. I am into the C64 and Amiga demo scene, and did some stuff on PC DOS during the 90th. Testing becomes more and more important.
- robertlagrant 3y ago> For me, this is the new Raspberry I think it's not really the same sort of thing. It's got a 4MHz CPU, for starters. I'm sure it's good for the exact cases you're mentioning, but the Raspberry Pi, even the W, is much more powerful and versatile.
- GuB-42 3y agoDoes it run 8088 MPH? https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=65371 https://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=65371 Since it is presumably real hardware, it should, but it isn't a CRT, so the NTSC color bleeding trick to get extra colors may not work.
- eimrine 3y agoI would like to have a modern version of 8088 with ability to consume few μW under full load and 100% compatibility with regular version.
- kisonecat 3y agoIt has a "Windows" key on the keyboard?
- zzo38computer 3y agoIt look like, from the picture, but I don't know why it has because it would not be meaningful on that kind of computer even if you do have Windows 3.0, I think.
- pdimitar 3y agoThat would be interesting but MS-DOS? Absolutely not. I'm having much more fun tinkering in Linux on a 150 EUR Chinese laptop with a fairly anemic CPU. If there's an itch for retro computing I'll just use an emulator. The only thing I'd probably enjoy using old tech for would be stochastic super-optimization of programs i.e. to find the very best combination of machine code that executes a certain algorithm maximally fast or with minimum memory.
- willcipriano 3y agoI asked yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35993044#35993847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35993044#35993847 And this arrives today. Going to buy one.
- VincentEvans 3y agoImo its a nice laptop for writers that can run a basic but capable text editor with very little other things to distract you from writing. Just look how expensive the fancy alternatives are: https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler https://getfreewrite.com/products/freewrite-traveler
- dayvid 3y agoKeyboard looks like an oldschool Thinkpad. You can also get an older Thinkpad x220 for around the same cost or cheaper with more power.
- jamesgill 3y ago640k is all you’ll ever need.
- karmakaze 3y agoI had an Ambra 486sx (IBM line) laptop that was so small and great. Seemed so ahead of its time, a netbook before it became a category. Google "Ambra laptop" shows a picture of an SN8660C which looks like what I had. Played Doom just fine on it. Even had the external dock that took PC/XT/AT expansion cards. Just now I thought 8MB is still enough to be useful, then I checked myself MB not GB.
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- rkagerer 3y agoAn ISA slot? Sweet! I miss the simplicity and directness it offered compared to PCI.