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Which just demonstrates how nuts this all is. You’re in this jurisdiction on day X it’s one crime, another jurisdiction on day X+1 it’s another crime. There ar

Which just demonstrates how nuts this all is. You’re in this jurisdiction on day X it’s one crime, another jurisdiction on day X+1 it’s another crime. There are real crimes happening you can get upset about (and maybe even do something about). This is about internet points for people that want to be seen to be upset. They are trading on the suffering of the very people they purport to represent.

eesmith 3y ago
Yes, Stallman was trying to get intranet points for Minsky, at a time when the local MIT people were protesting MIT's long-term support for the convicted sex trafficker Eppstein. You are right that Stallman was trading on that suffering to defend his hero. There was no reason for him to say anything at all. His argument was not relevant as the hero he represented had been dead for year, and only served to shake a stick in a nest of already angry bees. We don't have One World Government with globally consistent laws, and I hardly think that's what you want. Yes, the speed limit can change crossing a state border. Turning right on red may be legal in one place, and not legal a mile down the street. You can still get a ticket for breaking the law.
freejazz 3y ago
Age of consent != Age where one can legally prostitute themselves Simple as And real crimes? Like trafficking teenaged women around the world to be used as sex slaves to please one's powerful male associates?
- historygurl 3y ago
  Yes those are indeed real crimes and there are real ways to effect change with respect to those issues. RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes. If you donate $5 to a charity helping those affected, for instance, you’ll have done more than all the virtue signaling outrage in the world. You’re not raising awareness, you’re not changing opinions, it’s not “problematic”, you’re just getting your anger/attention rush. It has negative utility and value for the world, and you’re making things worse. (You in the general sense, you understand. Not you specifically).
  - freejazz 3y ago
    >"RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes." Not sure what this has to do with what I posted...
    - historygurl 3y ago
      That is the context of the subthread to which you responded. Sorry if it wasn’t clear from my original post.
      - freejazz 3y ago
        I'm confused because you seemed to be dismissing them as if they aren't "real" crimes...
        historygurl 3y ago
        Nah I was dismissing faux outrage at a guy saying whatever dumb shit, and those people basing their outrage in large part on such arbitrary jurisdictional issues. Outrage about the actual crime of human trafficking is of course called for but has nothing to do with RMS. Also, outrage at RMS won’t actually in any way address those crimes. But it feels good!
        freejazz 3y ago
        I don't care about RMS, but what are the arbitrary jurisdictional issues. There's nothing arbitrary or jurisdictional about human trafficking, just because might be of legal age. I feel like you aren't getting the fundamental issue that people base their shock/outrage/whatever off of. It's totally separate from thinking that attacking RMS over it will result in anything - as that's nothing but a strawman. There's no reason why criticism of anyone has to be tied to creating whatever societal-wide change is desired. That's just facially absurd.

eesmith 3y ago

Yes, Stallman was trying to get intranet points for Minsky, at a time when the local MIT people were protesting MIT's long-term support for the convicted sex trafficker Eppstein. You are right that Stallman was trading on that suffering to defend his hero. There was no reason for him to say anything at all. His argument was not relevant as the hero he represented had been dead for year, and only served to shake a stick in a nest of already angry bees. We don't have One World Government with globally consistent laws, and I hardly think that's what you want. Yes, the speed limit can change crossing a state border. Turning right on red may be legal in one place, and not legal a mile down the street. You can still get a ticket for breaking the law.

freejazz 3y ago

Age of consent != Age where one can legally prostitute themselves Simple as And real crimes? Like trafficking teenaged women around the world to be used as sex slaves to please one's powerful male associates?

historygurl 3y ago
Yes those are indeed real crimes and there are real ways to effect change with respect to those issues. RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes. If you donate $5 to a charity helping those affected, for instance, you’ll have done more than all the virtue signaling outrage in the world. You’re not raising awareness, you’re not changing opinions, it’s not “problematic”, you’re just getting your anger/attention rush. It has negative utility and value for the world, and you’re making things worse. (You in the general sense, you understand. Not you specifically).
- freejazz 3y ago
  >"RMS being a bozo isn’t a crime and internet outrage about it has no effect on real crimes." Not sure what this has to do with what I posted...
  - historygurl 3y ago
    That is the context of the subthread to which you responded. Sorry if it wasn’t clear from my original post.
    - freejazz 3y ago
      I'm confused because you seemed to be dismissing them as if they aren't "real" crimes...
      - historygurl 3y ago
        Nah I was dismissing faux outrage at a guy saying whatever dumb shit, and those people basing their outrage in large part on such arbitrary jurisdictional issues. Outrage about the actual crime of human trafficking is of course called for but has nothing to do with RMS. Also, outrage at RMS won’t actually in any way address those crimes. But it feels good!
        freejazz 3y ago
        I don't care about RMS, but what are the arbitrary jurisdictional issues. There's nothing arbitrary or jurisdictional about human trafficking, just because might be of legal age. I feel like you aren't getting the fundamental issue that people base their shock/outrage/whatever off of. It's totally separate from thinking that attacking RMS over it will result in anything - as that's nothing but a strawman. There's no reason why criticism of anyone has to be tied to creating whatever societal-wide change is desired. That's just facially absurd.