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"Google Bard won't even bother to try and comply with consumer privacy protections"

by dandellion 3y ago

brookst 3y ago
“Upside of complying with EU regulations not worth cost and risk”
- TeMPOraL 3y ago
  "No apparent way to recapture the value EU regulations generate for the users."
  - learntocompete 3y ago
    [flagged]
  - dS0rrow 3y ago
    You think privacy has no value?
- lou1306 3y ago
  "Complying costs are >0, hence incompatible with late-stage capitalism tenets"
  - brookst 3y ago
    You really think Google doesn’t spend a single penny on compliance anywhere? I can understand hating Google and hating our current mode of capitalism, but it’s a little hard to understand making such an obviously false claim. Do you believe what you said? Or is it just edgelordism?
- thefz 3y ago
  From the EU I say bye bye then. Nothing of value is lost, at least for me. Tired of being the product, and tired of not knowing where my data goes and to who.
  - dismantlethesun 3y ago
    Then it looks like everyone is happy on both sides, right? This is good news. Big win for those who care about privacy over all else.
    - tuyiown 3y ago
      Privacy is like insurance. A little downside for everyday so you don't lose everything if luck turns on you.
      - davidebaldini 3y ago
        Lack of economic growth compounds over the centuries toward remarkable differences between prosperous and miserable countries.
        lesuorac 3y ago
        Are you also making the claim that the EU lags behind the US in growth? Otherwise that seems like a non-sequitur. If you are, it seems that US's advantage [2] is just sheer number of people since the growth/capita is the same [1]. [1]: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locations=EU-US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locat... [2]: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=EU-US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locat...
        dandellion 3y ago
        If that's the case, in Europe we've been compounding growth for many centuries before the US even existed, we must be far ahead of you.
        seba_dos1 3y ago
        Yes, I wouldn't want to live in the US either.
shever73 3y ago
That is probably the most succinct way of putting it.
thinkingemote 3y ago
I wonder if we will see some kind of compliance or control panel for data sharing in the future. Perhaps only EU citizens will have this privilege.
- ithkuil 3y ago
  My expectations is that whatever mechanism google will implement to comply with EU laws will become the default for how the do things for everybody, for the simple reason that doing something special for EU would be an operational burden.
drstewart 3y ago
You should see how many European banks don't bother to comply with basic financial corruption protections and just block US citizens from having accounts
- pmontra 3y ago
  Well, my bank complies with local corruption and money laundering protections as mandated by law. I have to spend time getting an interview every few years to get a risk score. They and most of the other banks just send US citizens to their competitors instead of spending money to comply with US regulations too. It seems that there are not enough US customers around here.
  - drstewart 3y ago
    >Well, my bank complies with local corruption and money laundering protections as mandated by law My Google complies with local data protections and regulations as mandated by law. >It seems that there are not enough US customers around here. So you're telling me it's okay not to comply with a regulation because the market doesn't justify it and not because you're cartoonishly evil? Interesting. I wonder if we could apply that principle to other circumstances.
    - pmontra 3y ago
      Not complying with regulations of other countries you don't operate in is normal, or am I wrong?
  - seanmcdirmid 3y ago
    It’s not just US citizens, but anyone who holds a green card or H1 visa. Even a Swiss can be blocked from getting a Swiss bank account.
- miroljub 3y ago
  > You should see how many European banks don't bother to comply with basic financial corruption protections and just block US citizens from having accounts You should see how many European banks don't bother to comply with the US law in Europe, and just block US citizens in Europe from having accounts in Europe. FTFY Now, please explain why do you think that the US should expose their regulations to foreign banks operating in foreign countries?
raverbashing 3y ago
Bard is not being "blocked" (more like, hasn't been released) only in the EU and nothing says it is past beta stage anyway, but that being said it can be a case of: "American companies trying to comply with regulation in the most spiteful way possible" See also: the recent sesame controversy
ithkuil 3y ago
Or perhaps just: "we need some time to setup things so that we can comply and we don't want to block a global rollout to countries that don't bother creating laws that protect their citizens"

"Google Bard won't even bother to try and comply with consumer privacy protections"

brookst 3y ago

“Upside of complying with EU regulations not worth cost and risk”

TeMPOraL 3y ago
"No apparent way to recapture the value EU regulations generate for the users."
- learntocompete 3y ago
  [flagged]
- dS0rrow 3y ago
  You think privacy has no value?
lou1306 3y ago
"Complying costs are >0, hence incompatible with late-stage capitalism tenets"
- brookst 3y ago
  You really think Google doesn’t spend a single penny on compliance anywhere? I can understand hating Google and hating our current mode of capitalism, but it’s a little hard to understand making such an obviously false claim. Do you believe what you said? Or is it just edgelordism?
thefz 3y ago
From the EU I say bye bye then. Nothing of value is lost, at least for me. Tired of being the product, and tired of not knowing where my data goes and to who.
- dismantlethesun 3y ago
  Then it looks like everyone is happy on both sides, right? This is good news. Big win for those who care about privacy over all else.
  - tuyiown 3y ago
    Privacy is like insurance. A little downside for everyday so you don't lose everything if luck turns on you.
    - davidebaldini 3y ago
      Lack of economic growth compounds over the centuries toward remarkable differences between prosperous and miserable countries.
      - lesuorac 3y ago
        Are you also making the claim that the EU lags behind the US in growth? Otherwise that seems like a non-sequitur. If you are, it seems that US's advantage [2] is just sheer number of people since the growth/capita is the same [1]. [1]: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locations=EU-US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.KD.ZG?locat... [2]: https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=EU-US https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locat...
      - dandellion 3y ago
        If that's the case, in Europe we've been compounding growth for many centuries before the US even existed, we must be far ahead of you.
      - seba_dos1 3y ago
        Yes, I wouldn't want to live in the US either.

shever73 3y ago

That is probably the most succinct way of putting it.

thinkingemote 3y ago

I wonder if we will see some kind of compliance or control panel for data sharing in the future. Perhaps only EU citizens will have this privilege.

ithkuil 3y ago
My expectations is that whatever mechanism google will implement to comply with EU laws will become the default for how the do things for everybody, for the simple reason that doing something special for EU would be an operational burden.

drstewart 3y ago

You should see how many European banks don't bother to comply with basic financial corruption protections and just block US citizens from having accounts

pmontra 3y ago
Well, my bank complies with local corruption and money laundering protections as mandated by law. I have to spend time getting an interview every few years to get a risk score. They and most of the other banks just send US citizens to their competitors instead of spending money to comply with US regulations too. It seems that there are not enough US customers around here.
- drstewart 3y ago
  >Well, my bank complies with local corruption and money laundering protections as mandated by law My Google complies with local data protections and regulations as mandated by law. >It seems that there are not enough US customers around here. So you're telling me it's okay not to comply with a regulation because the market doesn't justify it and not because you're cartoonishly evil? Interesting. I wonder if we could apply that principle to other circumstances.
  - pmontra 3y ago
    Not complying with regulations of other countries you don't operate in is normal, or am I wrong?
- seanmcdirmid 3y ago
  It’s not just US citizens, but anyone who holds a green card or H1 visa. Even a Swiss can be blocked from getting a Swiss bank account.
miroljub 3y ago
> You should see how many European banks don't bother to comply with basic financial corruption protections and just block US citizens from having accounts You should see how many European banks don't bother to comply with the US law in Europe, and just block US citizens in Europe from having accounts in Europe. FTFY Now, please explain why do you think that the US should expose their regulations to foreign banks operating in foreign countries?

raverbashing 3y ago

Bard is not being "blocked" (more like, hasn't been released) only in the EU and nothing says it is past beta stage anyway, but that being said it can be a case of: "American companies trying to comply with regulation in the most spiteful way possible" See also: the recent sesame controversy

ithkuil 3y ago

Or perhaps just: "we need some time to setup things so that we can comply and we don't want to block a global rollout to countries that don't bother creating laws that protect their citizens"