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"Google Bard blocks all European Union countries" more like "Google Bard illegal in the European Union", like it is a Google choice at all.
by jylam 3y ago
"Google Bard blocks all European Union countries" more like "Google Bard illegal in the European Union", like it is a Google choice at all.
- dtech 3y agoThere's nothing inherently illegal about Bard/ChatGTP (yet). They just want to do stuff like collect all user input and train on it that's illegal in EU.
- bertil 3y agoTo do that, you have to ask for users’ informed consent.
- whazor 3y agoIt makes no sense, UK still has the same consent laws as EU, and Bard is deployed there. Maybe an oversight? It does look like they don't know what they are doing.
- vmilner 3y agoIt makes sense if Google believe the Eu appetite for fines is greater than the UK’s.
- bombolo 3y agoCould it be that UK, the country that spies and records what everyone does, isn't so big on privacy in practice and they thought the risk is less?
- bertil 3y agoI wouldn’t exclude an oversight, given how they didn’t exclude Åland. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35914946 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35914946 If you look further down that thread, people also highlighted they included more countries with “adequacy,” i.e., that the EU considers having a comparable privacy regime.
- johannes1234321 3y agoAsking for consent isn't enough. You also have to provide an alternative for users who don't want to consent.
- s1artibartfast 3y agoThe problem may be that you cant delete the data on request once it has been used to train a model.
- ithkuil 3y agoA similar problem happens with all of their existing continuously trained models, like the ones that power their ad recommendation system. They do comply with that. They can also comply with this. I think it all boils down to opportunity costs. Implementing a system that will ensure that the models are fully retrained from raw corpus/logs within the required timeframe simply takes time. Time they don't have since openai and MS are pressing them in that front. I think some teams at Google will work in the background to ensure that the whole shebang will be GDPR compliant while in parallel google signals to the markets that they are not a dying giant
- TheFattestNinja 3y agoIt kinda is though? Like, to make a product that is illegal there when the competition operates (arguably) better within the legal framework. We can argue if the law is just, but this is not the EU treating Bard differently than its competitors, so it's more of a product choice.
- JustLurking2022 3y agoThe answer is that OpenAI has a lot less revenue on the line, so they're more willing to take risks in legal grey areas.
- johannes1234321 3y agoI haven't checked, but OpenAI probably also doesn't have any office in EU and doesn't sell services specifically to EU citizens/companies. Thus they may claim not to do any business in EU and ignore letters from EU authorities.
- arlort 3y agoThey may but they haven't
- ithkuil 3y agoNo the EU is not treating bard differently. The EU is not doing anything yet. I don't see how Bing or OpenAI can comply with GDPR. The difference is that Google seems to care more (perhaps because they are under bigger scrutiny) while MS and OpenAI are pulling a "better to ask forgiveness than ask permissions". Funny how no matter what you do you're damned. If google decides to just roll it out everywhere like openai and bing did and then wait until a complaint or a lawsuit comes and only then pull the solution out of the hat (you just got several months for free in order to work on a solution while waiting for the complaint or lawsuit), well if google does that they'd be criticised because they do that. If they pause the relevant markets, well they're criticised because it's "immoral to be just complying with weaker laws since there is a stronger law somewhere else that should be taken as example for everyone"
- dandellion 3y ago"Google Bard won't even bother to try and comply with consumer privacy protections"
- brookst 3y ago“Upside of complying with EU regulations not worth cost and risk”
- TeMPOraL 3y ago"No apparent way to recapture the value EU regulations generate for the users."
- learntocompete 3y ago[flagged]
- dS0rrow 3y agoYou think privacy has no value?
- lou1306 3y ago"Complying costs are >0, hence incompatible with late-stage capitalism tenets"
- brookst 3y agoYou really think Google doesn’t spend a single penny on compliance anywhere? I can understand hating Google and hating our current mode of capitalism, but it’s a little hard to understand making such an obviously false claim. Do you believe what you said? Or is it just edgelordism?
- thefz 3y agoFrom the EU I say bye bye then. Nothing of value is lost, at least for me. Tired of being the product, and tired of not knowing where my data goes and to who.
- hagbarth 3y agoChatGPT runs just fine. This is Google not wanting to comply.
- sgt101 3y agoMore likely a legal opinion in Google that is waving a shroud of non-compliance and a $200m fine. Result : every exec immediately stops everything until this is clarified. They have to, it's their legal duty and if we are talking Google scale revenues there's a lot at stake. Many shareholders are waiting to sue...
- sebzim4500 3y agoHard to believe the threat of a $200m fine would cause an action this drastic. Presumably the think the cost could be much higher.
- Spivak 3y ago$200m for a not yet revenue generating feature? Easiest financial decision ever.
- sebzim4500 3y agoThere is no way that Google will spend less than $200m developing Bard before it is profitable. By your logic, it should be the easiest financial decision ever to stop.
- jsnell 3y agoMoney spent developing the product gets you, well, the product in exchange. Money spent paying an unnecessary fine gets you nothing except bad PR.
- YetAnotherNick 3y agoItaly has banned ChatGPT and European Parliament is already planning to curb it[1]. If I have to bet, ChatGPT will likely face some serious issues in europe in coming months. [1]: https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/05/11/meps-push-to-bring-chatbots-like-chatgpt-in-line-with-the-eus-fundamental-rights https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2023/05/11/meps-push-to-b...
- PurpleRamen 3y agoIt's not illegal, they are just extra careful to not break something. They know how expensive it can be to fail in EU.