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I found the best anagram in English (2017)
- madmod 3y agoLink didn’t work for me. Here is a mirror: http://archive.today/vyp1c http://archive.today/vyp1c
- ManEatsPants 3y ago[dead]
- geoduck14 3y agoTldr: Rewrite all words so the letters in each word are rearranged alphabetically. Don't do this other thing suggested on StackExchange Look at the list of anagrams Recognize that the list is actually boring Get silly with words and nerd out The end!
- Maursault 3y agouh, you forgot the actual tl;dr, which is cinematographer --> megachiropteran
- 13of40 3y ago> regulation urogenital Eyeballed the entire list*. This is the most 2023 one I could find. (*no)
- kmoser 3y agoThat was pretty good for a one-word anagram. Back in the 1990s I wrote a program that generated anagrams for longer phrases and I was surprised to find these prescient ones: Saddam Hussein = He damns Saudis Charles Manson = Slasher con man David Letterman = Dead mitral vent Mary Jo Kopechne = My joke chaperon * Benito Mussolini = So, I bout Leninism Lee Harvey Oswald = Oe, why ever Dallas? * * "Chaperon" is a valid alternate spelling of "chaperone" ** Yes, "oe" is a word
- pfdietz 3y agoRonald Wilson Reagan = Insane Anglo Warlord
- kmoser 3y agoAlso "Orwellian radon snag"
- eesmith 3y agoDick Cavett, https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/style/dick-cavett-interview.html https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/04/style/dick-cavett-intervi... > I guess I’ll be known for nothing more than being the man who realized that “Spiro Agnew” was “grow a penis.” Gore Vidal said, “It could be ‘grow a spine,’ too, but yours is better.” Boy, they're really socking it to that Spiro Agnew guy again.
- kthejoker2 3y agoClint Eastwood = Old West Action is still my favorite serendiptious anagram. I also like the mathematically correct ELEVEN PLUS TWO = TWELVE PLUS ONE especially because it's also an numeric anagram 11 + 2 = 12 + 1
- hliyan 3y agoMother in law = Woman Hitler is another classic
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- _atnl 3y agoIt just searched Bing and loaded up this very article. And man I'm getting really sick of the unrelated ChatGPT comments on literally every post, no offense.
- ChancyChance 3y agoJeremy’s Iron
- aaronbrethorst 3y agoTell me you’re a millennial who grew up watching The Simpsons without etc etc.
- ChancyChance 3y agoActually early genx. I don’t think most millennials were old enough for a lot of the jokes in 90’s simpsons as they were young teens. But glad you got it!
- aaronbrethorst 3y ago“Are you being sarcastic, dude?” I was born in 1982, and a lot of the humor went over my head til much later. But the first ten seasons or so are still indelibly etched in my memory.
- ChancyChance 3y agoWhat’s nostalgic to me is that this is such a classic Perl pattern: hashing manipulated strings to find relationships. Prior to Perl doing this was painful. Boost wasn’t a thing. Python was in its cradle and Java was still struggling with beans. Perl removed the barriers between complex coding ideas and an implementation that C wasn’t ready for. The time from thought to prototype was near instant compared to current compiled languages.
- eesmith 3y agoUmmm, the author used awk for the first version in the 1990s. > This was easy to do, even at the time, when the word list itself, at 2.5 megabytes, was a file of significant size. Perl and its cousins were not yet common; in those days I used Awk. But the task is not very different in any reasonable language:
- ChancyChance 3y agoI know. I’m talking about Perl. Try to keep up.
- eesmith 3y agoDo pay attention. You wrote "Prior to Perl doing this was painful.". I highlighted how you contradicted the author's claim that it was easy to do using awk. Awk existed long before Perl.
- ChancyChance 3y agoWhat’s the word for when snark backfires?
- doctor_eval 3y ago“Sorry”?
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- fingerlocks 3y agoI thought integrals / triangles was much more interesting, despite the shorter length. None of the other long pairs have any meaningful relationship, except for maybe excitation / intoxicate
- albert_e 3y agoWhat you don't think all married people are admirers of sidearms /s > 7 admirer married > 7 admires sidearm
- bombcar 3y agoThis one reminded me of those captcha cartoons that were popular for awhile. “Admires sidearm” in curved writing and a simple drawing.
- layer8 3y agoIt seemed to me that integral/triangle (singular) should really get the same score.
- bawolff 3y agoFeels like the edit distance algorithm would be the natural fit here for scoring.
- dmurray 3y agoHow does that do on the longest example found by the author, which he (correctly IMO) dismisses as uninteresting? cholecystoduodenostomy / duodenocholecystostomy
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- mjd 3y agoThis came up the last time this was discussed here. It didn't work well. https://gist.github.com/anonymous/431b163b2a2d532bfd0a3bdcc711f7b3 https://gist.github.com/anonymous/431b163b2a2d532bfd0a3bdcc7... See https://blog.plover.com/lang/anagram-scoring-3.html https://blog.plover.com/lang/anagram-scoring-3.html for more details.
- oraknabo 3y agoI don't know why, but I really like soapstone teaspoons.
- euroderf 3y agoI will counter that with.. timesaving negativism.
- GaggiX 3y agoI think the best anagrams are the ones that create meaningful phases, I would probably train a SVM or a simple linear layer on BERT (or other encoder) embeddings and use it to score the results.
- Tumblewood 3y agoSome of my favorite pairs from the big list: misrelation / orientalism; superintended / unpredestined; incorporate / procreation (don't mind if i do!); predators / teardrops (a cause and effect); counteridea / reeducation (a bit synonymous); streamlined / derailments (quite opposite!); truculent / unclutter; colonialist / oscillation; renavigate / vegetarian; persistent / prettiness; paternoster / penetrators (hmm); obscurantist / subtractions; nectarines / transience (a story of ripeness); definability / identifiably; indiscreet / iridescent; excitation / intoxicate; discounter / reductions (how logical!) One small suggestion I have: add a point for pairs with different starting letters, and another point for pairs with different ending letters.
- rob74 3y agoAlso "Xenoparasite Exasperation" - would have made a great title for a 1960s/70s Sci-Fi B movie...
- croisillon 3y agoin French we have chien (dog) / niche (doghouse)
- carlmr 3y agoAlmost verlan!
- croisillon 3y agoiench is the verlan dog ;)
- irrational 3y ago> I wouldn't have mentioned this, but someone on StackExchange actually asked this question. I wonder if the author realizes how condescending this is.
- mjd 3y agoI'm listening. Please explain.
- rjh29 3y agoimo interpretation of actually as "I can't believe someone did this (that someone could be so stupid)" rather than actually as "this is an event that definitely occured". Didn't seem too bad to me.
- irrational 3y agoYou basically said, “Can you believe someone actually was so stupid as to ask this question on stackexchange? I didn’t believe anyone could actually be that stupid, so I wasn’t go to address it, but it turns out there actually are people that stupid, and they actually outed themselves by posting their question out in the open! So, here I am having to address it in my blog post in case there are other people who actually are equally stupid.”
- dahart 3y agoI’m pretty sure I wrote an anagram solver as a teenager that just spins through permutations forever. I guess I was that stupid once. No comment on whether I’m cured now. Your point is valid, the wording can be read as to imply negativity, but that’s also interpreting it in a negative light. The author was also defending his warning against an imaginary rebuttal, justifying the mention to not to waste time solving anagrams the naive brute force way. I don’t think he was trying to be elitist or offensive, and it is in fact true that people will solve anagrams the slow way, so doesn’t hurt to mention it, and it can even help on occasion. We don’t have to take it as condescending.
- mjd 3y ago
- yantrams 3y agoWhile I personally agree with the end result - cinematographer megachiropteran possibly being the best anagram, its worth exploring other scoring mechanisms I suppose - some kind of alliteration / cadence score to quantify how the words roll in succession. Maybe throw in semantic distance as well using clip embeddings probably to quantify the surprise element (or closeness for that matter). Gonna play around with this and see what I can do.
- abecedarius 3y agoSounds like fun -- here's a try at alliteration scoring for a start: https://github.com/darius/alliterate https://github.com/darius/alliterate
- yantrams 3y agoThanks for the share, will look into it. Cheers
- _jholland 3y agoThis is great! It reminds me of a Tom7 video of a similar ilk: Anagrams, but where you can break apart letters: "Anagraphs" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBAW-Eh0tM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTBAW-Eh0tM. Similar to this, he produces a standard form for each word, but breaks each letter into letter pieces or 'atoms' which gives much more freedom for moving between words. Definitely give it a watch. If you are not familiar with Tom7's videos, he has a hilarious whimsical style while also bringing to life completely out there ideas with some brilliant technical skill.
- bitwize 3y agoMegachiropterans are fruit bats. They are really stinking adorable, especially when compared to smaller insect-eating bats, and for that reason are sometimes called flying foxes. In short, they make good subjects for cinematographers.
- weedfroglozenge 3y agoOne of the longest anagrams I know that doesn't involve obscure medical words is "astronomers" and "moon starers." Both of these phrases contain the same letters but in a different order, making them anagrams of each other. This anagram contains 11 letters and is quite interesting, as both phrases relate to looking up at the night sky and studying celestial bodies. ChatGPT
- jodrellblank 3y agoThe wordsmith link in my other comment tells me that one is a triple on that theme: astronomers = moon starers = no more stars
- wiz21c 3y ago> coprophagist Now that's something...
- jansan 3y agoYeah, I wish I haadn't looked up the meaning.
- petesergeant 3y agoThis is linked from a link, and describes anagrams being used to prove you were the first discoverer of something: https://spark.iop.org/puzzle-hookes-law#:~:text=When%20Hooke%20first%20announced%20his,the%20extension%2C%20so%20the%20weight https://spark.iop.org/puzzle-hookes-law#:~:text=When%20Hooke....
- tysam_and 3y agoThe world, overcrowded and jostling itself with all of its masculine calumnies....
- jodrellblank 3y agohttps://wordsmith.org/anagram/ https://wordsmith.org/anagram/ is nice for finding multi-word anagrams, and it has a hall of fame link also.
- pdpi 3y agoMy personal favourite is that an anagram of Banach-Tarski is Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski.
- adammarples 3y agoGuess what the B in "Benoit B. Mandelbrot" stands for?
- pdpi 3y agoGiven that he added that middle "initial" himself and he didn't actually have a middle name, I like thinking that he added it precisely to make that joke work. Probably not true, but I still like it.
- croisillon 3y agounderrated comment
- psychoslave 3y agoDeductions Kramer.
- cwmoore 3y ago"deduction markers", no?
- psychoslave 3y agoDiscounted remark.
- jdthedisciple 3y agoaha, I see what you did there
- Aeolun 3y agoJust like in the original, I think it’s only going to work in theory.
- cubefox 3y agoPreviously on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13696196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13696196 Response by the author: https://blog.plover.com/lang/anagram-scoring-3.html https://blog.plover.com/lang/anagram-scoring-3.html
- Amorymeltzer 3y agoInspired by the author's recent brief revisitings: https://blog.plover.com/addenda/202304.html https://blog.plover.com/addenda/202304.html and https://blog.plover.com/lang/etym/water-polo.html https://blog.plover.com/lang/etym/water-polo.html
- cubefox 3y agoThe latter on diminutives is interesting. Wikipedia: > Productive diminutives are infrequent to nonexistent in Standard English in comparison with many other languages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diminutives_by_language https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_diminutives_by_langu...
- cubefox 3y agoI wonder whether someone made a similar effort for finding the "most rhyming" words in English. Of course, since this would be based on sound, it would need to incorporate additional information besides spelling.
- bombcar 3y agoIt also starts a huge argument about what kinds of rhyming are permitted (visual, sound, which accent, etc) - and some languages “rhyme” on things we wouldn’t use in English like the emphasis, etc.
- bloopernova 3y agoQuick shout out to the New York Times game "Spelling Bee". It involves making lots of words from 6 letters plus 1 mandatory letter. https://www.nytimes.com/puzzles/spelling-bee https://www.nytimes.com/puzzles/spelling-bee
- kazinator 3y agoThis is the TXR Lisp interactive listener of TXR 285. Quit with :quit or Ctrl-D on an empty line. Ctrl-X ? for cheatsheet. TXR's sound system features 120 dB separation between quarreling audiophiles. 1> (flow "/usr/share/dict/words" file-get-lines (group-by sort) hash-values (keep-if cdr) (sort @1 : [chain car len])) (("ho" "oh") ("am" "ma") ("em" "me") ("no" "on") ("ah" "ha") ("it" "ti") ("mu" "um") ("eh" "he") ("ate" "eat" "eta" "tea") ("bar" "bra") [...] ("certification" "rectification") ("accouterments" "accoutrements") ("peripatetic's" "precipitate's") ("amphitheaters" "amphitheatres") ("colonialist's" "oscillation's") ("enumeration's" "mountaineer's") ("imperfections" "perfectionism") ("antiparticles" "paternalistic") ("broadcaster's" "rebroadcast's") ("impressiveness" "permissiveness") ("conservation's" "conversation's") ("tablespoonfuls" "tablespoonsful") ("certifications" "rectifications") ("amphitheater's" "amphitheatre's") ("certification's" "rectification's") ("impressiveness's" "permissiveness's"))
- pavlov 3y agoWaiting for someone to post a 4-symbol APL version (which makes use of a language feature added by an eccentric hedge fund millionaire in 2002 and removed in 2017, to ensure nobody ever runs it).
- zirkonit 3y agoAccording to GPT-4, an equivalent APL one-liner is: (⊢⌷⍨∘⍋∘≢¨)↑1<≢¨⊢⌸(⍋⊢)¨⎕NGET'/usr/share/dict/words'1
- pavlov 3y agoAI-assisted APL could totally be a thing. Why shouldn’t my programs be intense neutron stars of weird symbols, if there’s a superhuman intelligence always at hand to explain and improve the code?
- kazinator 3y agoAssembly language generation by symbolic AI (compilers) has been here for 60 years. The "prompts" are very precise and predictably behaved, but requiring the users to learn a specialized language. (Most such languages tend to be concerned with the "how" rather than "what".) With the new AI, you just specify the "how". Then you get a buggy program, in one of the above specialized languages for the old AI, and the rest of the prompts in the chat are edit instructions on how the AI should fix the code to make it work.
- myoldohiohome 3y agoI'm a non-coding lurker here, but the only thing that ever motivated me to write my own program was to solve the newspaper anagram puzzle, "Jumble", faster than my wife. I wrote it in Basic, then re-wrote it in assembly language, I forget when. Then in Fortran while home bound during the first summer of the pandemic - to atone for my past sin of neglecting to learn Fortran when I had a chance in the late 1960's.
- mock-possum 3y agoI dunno man, I’ve never heard of a “non-coder” rewriting the same program in three languages, including one round ‘just because’
- lurquer 3y agoI did the same thing! I stumbled upon an old ‘Al Zimmerman’ programming contest that involved creating wordsearch grids with the most words possible. I had a technique in mind, wrote it in BASIC. Then realized that was too slow. So I tried it in Java (which I’d heard was easy… it wasn’t… st least not to me). And then finally wrote it in C++, a language I found perfect in all respects. I actually ranked near the top in that contest, and I’ve been programming ever since. Ironically, I write programs to make puzzle books and I even have a Jumble knock-off on Amazon (sans cartoons… can’t draw worth a damn.)
- mxuribe 3y agoWith respect, the moment you mentioned "re-wrote it in assembly language"...you stopped being a non-coder! :-) By the way, very cool use of technolgoy for somewhat everyday things (solving puzzles).
- jodrellblank 3y agoI did similar for a newspaper puzzle unscrambler, pushing to rewrite it in lower level languages (PowerShell then C# then Rust) and changing algorithm (from sort letters, to precompute lookup hashtable of sorted letters, to multiply prime numbers one for each alphabet letter to drop the overhead of sorting, to lookup hash of those, to sorting the integer results into an array to do a binary search through and jump to the matching offset in an answers array and inlining those in the code) until it was near enough instant. ... and I don't use it, because unjumbling the word myself is satisfying, but typing the letters into a computer and getting the answer isn't.
- NoZebra120vClip 3y agoDon't forget the utterly classic anagrams we made out of "Information Superhighway" when that term was first introduced to a skeptical public. https://ad1c.us/infobahn.htm https://ad1c.us/infobahn.htm
- intrasight 3y agoLOL. Those a great. I encourage folks to look.
- aqme28 3y agoWriting a program to find grammatically correct sentence anagrams seems like quite the challenge.
- hoosieree 3y agoSome gems in there, like human parties | puritan shame
- HarHarVeryFunny 3y agoMy favorite has always been: A man a plan a canal Panama
- mauvehaus 3y agoThat's a palindrome, not an anagram. If you'd like to see the director's cut of that palindrome, it's available here: http://www.fun-with-words.com/palin_panama.html http://www.fun-with-words.com/palin_panama.html I've always been partial to pangrams: sentences that use every letter in the alphabet at least once, typically shooting for a short sentence. My favorite is "Pack my box with five dozen liquor jugs". Not minimal, but delightful and uses only words that most mortals know.
- jodrellblank 3y agoMy favourite is that the 49 word one was found by Guy Steele. Yes, this Guy Steele: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_L._Steele_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_L._Steele_Jr.
- abecedarius 3y agoSee also https://norvig.com/palindrome.html https://norvig.com/palindrome.html with code and a bit of Steele followup.
- Daub 3y agoSatan, oscillate my metallic sonatas.
- akerr 3y agoThat’s a palindrome but a good EP by Soundgarden (Nude Dragons).
- Technotroll 3y agoSeems the best ones are exclusively of Greek or Latin influence. What are the best ones with Germanic or Celtic influence?
- kshay 3y agoI’m going to hear the Paul Simon lyric as “Don’t I know you from the megachiropteran’s party?” from now on
- hgsgm 3y agoIf it is Greig Fraser's party, sure.
- skottk 3y agoIn a book release event for Stefan Fatsis's book on tournament Scrabble players, Word Freak, the host posed the "megachiropteran" anagram as a trivia question for a book giveaway. One of the top players in my club _instantly_ replied "cinematographer," and added, "but megachiropteran isn't in the OSPD [Official Scrabble Players' Dictionary], so it doesn't really count."
- hgsgm 3y agoWhy do scrabble players care about words that long? Beyond fun trivia. What's the longest word ever played in an actual game of Scrabble? And though this is hard to get data for, what's the longest word that ever could have been played but missed?
- skottk 3y agoEither just by having developed their brains in a way that word facts just stick, or by constantly seeking out new word facts because that's what they love doing. I believe that the gentleman in this case instantly saw the word 'cinematographer' hiding in 'megachiropteran' because his brain is a highly trained anagramming machine, and knew that it wasn't allowed because he knew all of the allowed 15-letter words, just in case he might get the opportunity to play one. High-level players memorize staggering numbers of words. All 2- and 3- letter words is entry-level. All X-J-Q-Z, all Q-without-U, all words you ending in -MAN, all 70+ 7-letter words of the form SATINE+... top-level players know the 4000 4-letter words, the 5000 5's, and way, way more. This (https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/scrabble-records-highest-scoring-words-170015056.html https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/scrabble-records-highest-sco...) lists cases in which 15-letter words were played by adding prefixes or suffixes to other words.
- eternalban 3y agoMegachiropteran lit up helicopter for me (as soon as he worte it means mega-bat) and chiro- naturally zing'd the word chiropractor. First guess was 'opter'/'opter' must have something to do with flight and the o is shared as a connective and it means 'bone-flying'. Wrong: turns out -pter is Latin for 'wing', and so we have helico(l)-pter (helix-wing) and our featherless friends are chiro-pter (hand-wing).
- btbuildem 3y agoMade me think of ornithopter (from Greek ornis, ornith- "bird" and pteron "wing")
- DFHippie 3y agoShameless plug: https://github.com/dfhoughton/ranagrams https://github.com/dfhoughton/ranagrams I find it a good time killer. Note, there's a word list in the repo, but `crate install ranagrams` starts you off without a word list.
- blatant303 3y agoQui suis-je ? Me voici Sultan ! Nuitisme vocal Silice mouvant Io, vent musical ! Le voici musant Mot inclus à vie Ce motival insu Là vous émincit Cultivons amie Si il vaut ce nom Son val muet ici Indice: Si nul vice à mot Vu ici slame ton Nom c'est via lui Vaincu tel, omis Who am I? Here I am, Sultan! Vocal nightism Moving silica Io, musical wind! Here it is, musing Word included for life This unknown motive There, it slices you down Let's cultivate, friend If it's worth that name Its silent valley here Hint: If no word vice Seen here, slams your Name, it's through it Defeated as such, omitted
- kevinwang 3y agoHm... I was prepared to be skeptical, but the winning pair is indeed a really great anagram. Good stuff!
- paulcole 3y agoHere's my answer for best English anagram: 11 + 2 = 12 + 1 Eleven plus two = twelve plus one.
- jihadjihad 3y agoClint Eastwood Old West Action
- DonHopkins 3y agoThere's something magically target-rich about anagrams. My full first, middle and last name is long enough with common letters that there are several uproariously serendipitous and embarrassingly obscene (even for me) anagrams of my full name. So bad I would never post them here. Much worse than you could possibly imagine. Take my word for it: you don't want to know. The only advice I'll share is that parents should carefully screen their baby names with the advanced anagram server, and choose short names with unusual letters that have lower chances of backfiring. https://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html https://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html
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- zem 3y agoone thing i miss from the "olden" days is the fun we used to have coming up with unassisted anagram discoveries and sharing them with each other. i think my personal favourite was antipyretic/pertinacity
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- pilaf 3y agoFor any Spanish speakers in here, I got inspired by this and borrowed Mark Dominus' code to find the "best anagram" in Spanish, my results are here: https://github.com/pilaf/anagramas https://github.com/pilaf/anagramas And here are the top scorers: 11 actinometro / cortamiento 11 aeronáutico / ecuatoriano 11 anemometría / mareamiento 11 apriscadero / esparcidora 11 arremetimiento / meritoriamente 11 atrasamiento / metatarsiano 11 camastronería / sacramentario 11 entropezada / panderetazo 11 importación / piromántico 12 anemométrica / maceramiento
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