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You're in the bullseye of the law enforcement pitch then. There are lots of ways to address armed robberies without mass surveillance. They'll pitch this as "on

You're in the bullseye of the law enforcement pitch then. There are lots of ways to address armed robberies without mass surveillance. They'll pitch this as "one more tool to fight crime <x>" but you wait, it will actually be "THE tool for preventing a wide range of behaviors, some maybe even illegal!"

loeg 3y ago
You've totally failed to respond to GP's comment. Do you think this will be ineffective at its stated goals?
- michaelt 3y ago
  I think it's very unlikely there will be a statistically significant increase in violent crime conviction rates when these cameras go into action.
- serf 3y ago
  Surveillance has never been greater -- are cities markedly less violent than in the past? (No, urban/city violence is on the rise..[0]) [0]: https://www.city-journal.org/article/criminal-neglect https://www.city-journal.org/article/criminal-neglect
  - loeg 3y ago
    Crime has been on a largely downward trend since the 90s. Yes, there has been a partial reverse since 2020, associated with a general breakdown in norms during Covid. But the broader trend is down.
  - Dylan16807 3y ago
    Please define "the past", because when I'm talking about lifetime trends I don't use 2019 as my baseline.
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squokko 3y ago
There are many of us who just don’t care about mass surveillance.
nradov 3y ago
Back in 1968 the NYPD had an effective way to address armed robberies. Stake-out squad members would hide inside targeted businesses and then just shoot the robbers. However, this approach has fallen out of favor in modern law enforcement. https://qualitypolicing.com/the-stake-out-squad/ https://qualitypolicing.com/the-stake-out-squad/
- treis 3y ago
  If Reddit is any guide, Brazil seems to have come up with the innovation of bystanders beating the crap out of any criminals they can catch in the act. Problematic for a lot of different reasons but you gotta admire the simplicity of the idea.
robopsychology 3y ago
I agree mass surveillance is bad however is some surveillance good? Coming from London the fact there is basically no surveillance such that the police need to ask people if they were doing their own surveillance to help with a case strikes me as crazy. Each piece of surveillance should be rigorously questioned but I don't think the answer to a safe society is none.

loeg 3y ago

You've totally failed to respond to GP's comment. Do you think this will be ineffective at its stated goals?

michaelt 3y ago
I think it's very unlikely there will be a statistically significant increase in violent crime conviction rates when these cameras go into action.
serf 3y ago
Surveillance has never been greater -- are cities markedly less violent than in the past? (No, urban/city violence is on the rise..[0]) [0]: https://www.city-journal.org/article/criminal-neglect https://www.city-journal.org/article/criminal-neglect
- loeg 3y ago
  Crime has been on a largely downward trend since the 90s. Yes, there has been a partial reverse since 2020, associated with a general breakdown in norms during Covid. But the broader trend is down.
- Dylan16807 3y ago
  Please define "the past", because when I'm talking about lifetime trends I don't use 2019 as my baseline.

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squokko 3y ago

There are many of us who just don’t care about mass surveillance.

nradov 3y ago

Back in 1968 the NYPD had an effective way to address armed robberies. Stake-out squad members would hide inside targeted businesses and then just shoot the robbers. However, this approach has fallen out of favor in modern law enforcement. https://qualitypolicing.com/the-stake-out-squad/ https://qualitypolicing.com/the-stake-out-squad/

treis 3y ago
If Reddit is any guide, Brazil seems to have come up with the innovation of bystanders beating the crap out of any criminals they can catch in the act. Problematic for a lot of different reasons but you gotta admire the simplicity of the idea.

robopsychology 3y ago

I agree mass surveillance is bad however is some surveillance good? Coming from London the fact there is basically no surveillance such that the police need to ask people if they were doing their own surveillance to help with a case strikes me as crazy. Each piece of surveillance should be rigorously questioned but I don't think the answer to a safe society is none.