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AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
I've always thought about leaving a little text file buried somewhere on my website that says "Here are all of the things that Future Me really means when he issues a press statement after his product/company/IP is bought by a billion-dollar company." But then I remember I'm not that important.
- ncr100 3y ago
  Do it for other reasons such as inappropriate treatment and abnormal terminations driving from misbehaving coworkers Date stamped Weird & very uncool coworkers do get hired.
ttul 3y ago
More like HR said, “Well, there is option A where you leave and are free to do what you wish. And then there is option B (points at bag of cash) where you pretend none of this ever happened…”
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  HR might as well say: "It doesn't matter if you take the bags of cash or not, we will do our best to destroy your life if you mess with us after you are gone. The bags of cash are a formality, but you might as well accept them because we have the power to crush you either way"
  - rockemsockem 3y ago
    Google HR is going to crush Geoffrey Hinton? I feel like that would work out worse for Google than for him.
    - bluefirebrand 3y ago
      Large corporations like Google have a lot of resources and connections to really mess up a single persons life if they really want to, with expensive legal action and PR campaigns. Yeah, they might cause their reputation some damage by going after the wrong person, but let's be real here.. the worst outcome for Google would likely be miles ahead of the worst outcome for Hinton. Edit: Note that I'm not actually saying that I think Google and Hinton have this level of adversarial relationship. I'm just saying that big companies may come after you for speaking out against them regardless of if you've accepted hush money or not. Given that, it's usually worth being tactful when talking about former employers regardless of any payouts you may have accepted or agreements you may have signed.
    - KirillPanov 3y ago
      The Google department responsible for this is called Global Security and Resilience Services. Staffed by ex-military and FBI. Look it up.
- rockemsockem 3y ago
  I assume Geoffrey Hinton has enough bags of cash for his lifetime and a few more on top of that. IDK why someone so well compensated and so well recognized would agree to limit themselves in exchange for a, relatively speaking, tiny bit more cash. That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Trying to be diplomatic, but this is such an unnecessary snarky, useless response. Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). I don't necessarily think they did it "right", and I think the way they set up their "Ethical AI" team was doomed to fail, but at least they did clearly think about the dangers of AI from the start. I can't really say that about any other player.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  > Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). they were criticized because they are losing competition not because of rollout, their current tech is weaker than ChatGPT.
  - tomComb 3y ago
    Their current generative AI is weaker because they were focused on many other facets of AI such as AlphaFold and Waymo.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      where they didn't create positive revenue products yet despite billions of investments, while putting main cash cow (search) into risk by neglecting that area.
  - kccqzy 3y ago
    Their current tech is weaker because they couldn't release the full version due to the additional safeguards (partly to prevent more people claiming their AI is sentient) and partly also due to cost cutting.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      how are you so confident about that?
hnarn 3y ago
That’s not how a non-disparagement clause works. It puts restrictions on what you’re allowed to say. It doesn’t require you to correct what other people say. If your badly thought through assumption was correct, the logical response from him would be to simply say nothing.
- TheDudeMan 3y ago
  Unless he wanted to say something.
chongli 3y ago
Cade Metz is the same muckraker who forced Scott Alexander to preemptively dox himself. I don’t know Hinton apart from the fact that he’s a famous AI researcher but he has given no indication that he’s untrustworthy. I’ll take his word over Metz’s any day of the week!
- adamgordonbell 3y ago
  Yes, Cade Metz clearly pushes a certain agenda above all.

I've always thought about leaving a little text file buried somewhere on my website that says "Here are all of the things that Future Me really means when he issues a press statement after his product/company/IP is bought by a billion-dollar company." But then I remember I'm not that important.

ncr100 3y ago
Do it for other reasons such as inappropriate treatment and abnormal terminations driving from misbehaving coworkers Date stamped Weird & very uncool coworkers do get hired.

ttul 3y ago

More like HR said, “Well, there is option A where you leave and are free to do what you wish. And then there is option B (points at bag of cash) where you pretend none of this ever happened…”

bluefirebrand 3y ago
HR might as well say: "It doesn't matter if you take the bags of cash or not, we will do our best to destroy your life if you mess with us after you are gone. The bags of cash are a formality, but you might as well accept them because we have the power to crush you either way"
- rockemsockem 3y ago
  Google HR is going to crush Geoffrey Hinton? I feel like that would work out worse for Google than for him.
  - bluefirebrand 3y ago
    Large corporations like Google have a lot of resources and connections to really mess up a single persons life if they really want to, with expensive legal action and PR campaigns. Yeah, they might cause their reputation some damage by going after the wrong person, but let's be real here.. the worst outcome for Google would likely be miles ahead of the worst outcome for Hinton. Edit: Note that I'm not actually saying that I think Google and Hinton have this level of adversarial relationship. I'm just saying that big companies may come after you for speaking out against them regardless of if you've accepted hush money or not. Given that, it's usually worth being tactful when talking about former employers regardless of any payouts you may have accepted or agreements you may have signed.
  - KirillPanov 3y ago
    The Google department responsible for this is called Global Security and Resilience Services. Staffed by ex-military and FBI. Look it up.
rockemsockem 3y ago
I assume Geoffrey Hinton has enough bags of cash for his lifetime and a few more on top of that. IDK why someone so well compensated and so well recognized would agree to limit themselves in exchange for a, relatively speaking, tiny bit more cash. That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.

hn_throwaway_99 3y ago

Trying to be diplomatic, but this is such an unnecessary snarky, useless response. Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). I don't necessarily think they did it "right", and I think the way they set up their "Ethical AI" team was doomed to fail, but at least they did clearly think about the dangers of AI from the start. I can't really say that about any other player.

riku_iki 3y ago
> Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). they were criticized because they are losing competition not because of rollout, their current tech is weaker than ChatGPT.
- tomComb 3y ago
  Their current generative AI is weaker because they were focused on many other facets of AI such as AlphaFold and Waymo.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    where they didn't create positive revenue products yet despite billions of investments, while putting main cash cow (search) into risk by neglecting that area.
- kccqzy 3y ago
  Their current tech is weaker because they couldn't release the full version due to the additional safeguards (partly to prevent more people claiming their AI is sentient) and partly also due to cost cutting.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    how are you so confident about that?

hnarn 3y ago

That’s not how a non-disparagement clause works. It puts restrictions on what you’re allowed to say. It doesn’t require you to correct what other people say. If your badly thought through assumption was correct, the logical response from him would be to simply say nothing.

TheDudeMan 3y ago
Unless he wanted to say something.

chongli 3y ago

Cade Metz is the same muckraker who forced Scott Alexander to preemptively dox himself. I don’t know Hinton apart from the fact that he’s a famous AI researcher but he has given no indication that he’s untrustworthy. I’ll take his word over Metz’s any day of the week!

adamgordonbell 3y ago
Yes, Cade Metz clearly pushes a certain agenda above all.