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See his response on twitter. https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/1652993570721210372 https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/165299357072121037...

by ec664 3y ago

CartyBoston 3y ago
somebody has a no disparage
- AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
  I've always thought about leaving a little text file buried somewhere on my website that says "Here are all of the things that Future Me really means when he issues a press statement after his product/company/IP is bought by a billion-dollar company." But then I remember I'm not that important.
  - ncr100 3y ago
    Do it for other reasons such as inappropriate treatment and abnormal terminations driving from misbehaving coworkers Date stamped Weird & very uncool coworkers do get hired.
- ttul 3y ago
  More like HR said, “Well, there is option A where you leave and are free to do what you wish. And then there is option B (points at bag of cash) where you pretend none of this ever happened…”
  - bluefirebrand 3y ago
    HR might as well say: "It doesn't matter if you take the bags of cash or not, we will do our best to destroy your life if you mess with us after you are gone. The bags of cash are a formality, but you might as well accept them because we have the power to crush you either way"
    - rockemsockem 3y ago
      Google HR is going to crush Geoffrey Hinton? I feel like that would work out worse for Google than for him.
      - bluefirebrand 3y ago
        Large corporations like Google have a lot of resources and connections to really mess up a single persons life if they really want to, with expensive legal action and PR campaigns. Yeah, they might cause their reputation some damage by going after the wrong person, but let's be real here.. the worst outcome for Google would likely be miles ahead of the worst outcome for Hinton. Edit: Note that I'm not actually saying that I think Google and Hinton have this level of adversarial relationship. I'm just saying that big companies may come after you for speaking out against them regardless of if you've accepted hush money or not. Given that, it's usually worth being tactful when talking about former employers regardless of any payouts you may have accepted or agreements you may have signed.
      - KirillPanov 3y ago
        The Google department responsible for this is called Global Security and Resilience Services. Staffed by ex-military and FBI. Look it up.
  - rockemsockem 3y ago
    I assume Geoffrey Hinton has enough bags of cash for his lifetime and a few more on top of that. IDK why someone so well compensated and so well recognized would agree to limit themselves in exchange for a, relatively speaking, tiny bit more cash. That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
- hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
  Trying to be diplomatic, but this is such an unnecessary snarky, useless response. Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). I don't necessarily think they did it "right", and I think the way they set up their "Ethical AI" team was doomed to fail, but at least they did clearly think about the dangers of AI from the start. I can't really say that about any other player.
  - riku_iki 3y ago
    > Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). they were criticized because they are losing competition not because of rollout, their current tech is weaker than ChatGPT.
    - tomComb 3y ago
      Their current generative AI is weaker because they were focused on many other facets of AI such as AlphaFold and Waymo.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        where they didn't create positive revenue products yet despite billions of investments, while putting main cash cow (search) into risk by neglecting that area.
    - kccqzy 3y ago
      Their current tech is weaker because they couldn't release the full version due to the additional safeguards (partly to prevent more people claiming their AI is sentient) and partly also due to cost cutting.
      - riku_iki 3y ago
        how are you so confident about that?
- hnarn 3y ago
  That’s not how a non-disparagement clause works. It puts restrictions on what you’re allowed to say. It doesn’t require you to correct what other people say. If your badly thought through assumption was correct, the logical response from him would be to simply say nothing.
  - TheDudeMan 3y ago
    Unless he wanted to say something.
- chongli 3y ago
  Cade Metz is the same muckraker who forced Scott Alexander to preemptively dox himself. I don’t know Hinton apart from the fact that he’s a famous AI researcher but he has given no indication that he’s untrustworthy. I’ll take his word over Metz’s any day of the week!
  - adamgordonbell 3y ago
    Yes, Cade Metz clearly pushes a certain agenda above all.
tpowell 3y ago
Yesterday, I randomly watched his full interview from a month ago with CBS Morning, and found the discussion much more nuanced than today's headlines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoRO378qRY&t=16s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoRO378qRY&t=16s The next video in my recommendations was more dire, but equally as interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&t=2847s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&t=2847s
- adamwk 3y ago
  Why is it surprising that a full interview is more nuanced than a headline?
  - dventimihasura 3y ago
    Did the author of the parent comment confess to surprise?
- yeahwhatever10 3y ago
  I don't understand the "safety" concerns from the example in the second video.
  - danem 3y ago
    Yeah, this "critique" seems incredibly bad faith to me. The actual problem in this hypothetical situation exists with or without the chat bot. Should we expect chat bots to act as police?
    - burnished 3y ago
      Given his pedigree accusing him of bad faith seems missplaced.
  - sounds 3y ago
    Can you clear up specifically what about the second video you think is difficult to understand? I saw an example of a conversation where the Snapchat 'My AI' was tricked into grooming a child, with the likely outcome being heavy regulation if left alone.
kragen 3y ago
don't forget cade metz was the guy who doxed scott alexander
newswasboring 3y ago
I can't access this page. Can anyone else? I can open Twitter, but this page just shows a something went wrong page.

See his response on twitter. https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/1652993570721210372 https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/165299357072121037...

by ec664 3y ago

See his response on twitter. https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/1652993570721210372 https://twitter.com/geoffreyhinton/status/165299357072121037...

CartyBoston 3y ago

somebody has a no disparage

AdmiralAsshat 3y ago
I've always thought about leaving a little text file buried somewhere on my website that says "Here are all of the things that Future Me really means when he issues a press statement after his product/company/IP is bought by a billion-dollar company." But then I remember I'm not that important.
- ncr100 3y ago
  Do it for other reasons such as inappropriate treatment and abnormal terminations driving from misbehaving coworkers Date stamped Weird & very uncool coworkers do get hired.
ttul 3y ago
More like HR said, “Well, there is option A where you leave and are free to do what you wish. And then there is option B (points at bag of cash) where you pretend none of this ever happened…”
- bluefirebrand 3y ago
  HR might as well say: "It doesn't matter if you take the bags of cash or not, we will do our best to destroy your life if you mess with us after you are gone. The bags of cash are a formality, but you might as well accept them because we have the power to crush you either way"
  - rockemsockem 3y ago
    Google HR is going to crush Geoffrey Hinton? I feel like that would work out worse for Google than for him.
    - bluefirebrand 3y ago
      Large corporations like Google have a lot of resources and connections to really mess up a single persons life if they really want to, with expensive legal action and PR campaigns. Yeah, they might cause their reputation some damage by going after the wrong person, but let's be real here.. the worst outcome for Google would likely be miles ahead of the worst outcome for Hinton. Edit: Note that I'm not actually saying that I think Google and Hinton have this level of adversarial relationship. I'm just saying that big companies may come after you for speaking out against them regardless of if you've accepted hush money or not. Given that, it's usually worth being tactful when talking about former employers regardless of any payouts you may have accepted or agreements you may have signed.
    - KirillPanov 3y ago
      The Google department responsible for this is called Global Security and Resilience Services. Staffed by ex-military and FBI. Look it up.
- rockemsockem 3y ago
  I assume Geoffrey Hinton has enough bags of cash for his lifetime and a few more on top of that. IDK why someone so well compensated and so well recognized would agree to limit themselves in exchange for a, relatively speaking, tiny bit more cash. That doesn't make the slightest bit of sense.
hn_throwaway_99 3y ago
Trying to be diplomatic, but this is such an unnecessary snarky, useless response. Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). I don't necessarily think they did it "right", and I think the way they set up their "Ethical AI" team was doomed to fail, but at least they did clearly think about the dangers of AI from the start. I can't really say that about any other player.
- riku_iki 3y ago
  > Google obviously did go slow with their rollout of AI, to the point where most of the world criticized them to no end for "being caught flat footed" on AI (myself included, so mea culpa). they were criticized because they are losing competition not because of rollout, their current tech is weaker than ChatGPT.
  - tomComb 3y ago
    Their current generative AI is weaker because they were focused on many other facets of AI such as AlphaFold and Waymo.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      where they didn't create positive revenue products yet despite billions of investments, while putting main cash cow (search) into risk by neglecting that area.
  - kccqzy 3y ago
    Their current tech is weaker because they couldn't release the full version due to the additional safeguards (partly to prevent more people claiming their AI is sentient) and partly also due to cost cutting.
    - riku_iki 3y ago
      how are you so confident about that?
hnarn 3y ago
That’s not how a non-disparagement clause works. It puts restrictions on what you’re allowed to say. It doesn’t require you to correct what other people say. If your badly thought through assumption was correct, the logical response from him would be to simply say nothing.
- TheDudeMan 3y ago
  Unless he wanted to say something.
chongli 3y ago
Cade Metz is the same muckraker who forced Scott Alexander to preemptively dox himself. I don’t know Hinton apart from the fact that he’s a famous AI researcher but he has given no indication that he’s untrustworthy. I’ll take his word over Metz’s any day of the week!
- adamgordonbell 3y ago
  Yes, Cade Metz clearly pushes a certain agenda above all.

tpowell 3y ago

Yesterday, I randomly watched his full interview from a month ago with CBS Morning, and found the discussion much more nuanced than today's headlines. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoRO378qRY&t=16s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpoRO378qRY&t=16s The next video in my recommendations was more dire, but equally as interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&t=2847s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xoVJKj8lcNQ&t=2847s

adamwk 3y ago
Why is it surprising that a full interview is more nuanced than a headline?
- dventimihasura 3y ago
  Did the author of the parent comment confess to surprise?
yeahwhatever10 3y ago
I don't understand the "safety" concerns from the example in the second video.
- danem 3y ago
  Yeah, this "critique" seems incredibly bad faith to me. The actual problem in this hypothetical situation exists with or without the chat bot. Should we expect chat bots to act as police?
  - burnished 3y ago
    Given his pedigree accusing him of bad faith seems missplaced.
- sounds 3y ago
  Can you clear up specifically what about the second video you think is difficult to understand? I saw an example of a conversation where the Snapchat 'My AI' was tricked into grooming a child, with the likely outcome being heavy regulation if left alone.

kragen 3y ago

don't forget cade metz was the guy who doxed scott alexander

newswasboring 3y ago

I can't access this page. Can anyone else? I can open Twitter, but this page just shows a something went wrong page.