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The reactions to the gas hookup ban really reminds me of how insular Americans really are. They can’t even imagine a world where gas does not come in pipes, wh

The reactions to the gas hookup ban really reminds me of how insular Americans really are. They can’t even imagine a world where gas does not come in pipes, when arguably that’s how the vast majority of the world lives. You want a gas stove? Buy a gas stove, and get a cylinder. No one is stopping you from doing that. Just don’t expect everyone else to subsidize running that gas in a pipe up to your gas stove.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago
Large parts of the south in the USA lack natural gas from pipes also. Propane is much more common in those parts (see the cartoon “King of the Hill” for example).
PM_me_your_math 3y ago
If we wanted to live like the rest of the world, we wouldn't have started our own country.
- tcfhgj 3y ago
  Ironically you will achieve the opposite fueling climate change
  - PM_me_your_math 3y ago
    Every single climate change prediction (hundreds of them) made since the 1960s have failed to materialize. ...But I'm the crazy one since I refuse to run around like a chicken without a head. The church of climatology and latter day taxes is full of shit. It has always been full of shit. It was always and shall always be a power play. I know for sure that earth's climate changes, but also know for sure that taxes and economic ham-stringing isn't going to influence it in any way, shape, or form.
endisneigh 3y ago
Would you say the same about plumbing? Much if the world doesn’t have that, you have to go and carry your own water from a local river to your house. Imagine how little water waste there would be if you had to haul it yourself.
inconceivable 3y ago
reducing quality of life to be more like the rest of the world is not really a great sales pitch. america is a sales-driven society.
- IceHegel 3y ago
  “the future is the third world”
- danny_codes 3y ago
  Dumbest take I've heard all day. Banning gas would increase quality of life. Why subject yourself to pollution, gas leaks and expensive secondary energy infrastructure when you can just not do that. I understand the gas lobby has spent billions convincing you otherwise, but the fact is that direct natural gas is far inferior to electricity at this point. Some education for you: https://youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54 https://youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54
  - inconceivable 3y ago
    calling people dumb is also a really bad sales pitch. the problem with nanny-state types is they're just terrible at convincing anyone of anything, which is why they're always so upset at everyone else for being so dumb and ignorant. "i didn't call you dumb, i said this is a dumb take!" the problem with nanny-state types is ... anyway, i'm going to go cook some factory farmed pork bacon on my gas range and then hop into my pickup truck and drive about an hour to go visit my parents in the suburbs, catch you later.
nonethewiser 3y ago
Natural gas is ubiquitous in the US indeed. Which is why a small peninsula on the edge of the state/country deciding to ban it shows how insular NYC leadership is.
SheepSlapper 3y ago
What subsidizing? I built my house, I had to pay someone to dig into the street to hook up to the gas lines and then fix the road. Then I had to pay the gas company to install a meter and turn on service at my new address. And finally, they send me a bill every month for the gas I use. Having that gas hookup saves me a ton of hassle during the winter months when, inevitably, power goes out and I need to keep my place warm for a day or two (or more, though rarely) while I wait for service to be restored. My neighbors appreciate it as well, as they can come get warm in front of my gas fireplace and cook on my gas range. I have yet to see a downside of having gas as an option, it's only helped ESPECIALLY given the geographic realities of where I live (feet of snow overnight, subzero temps for weeks/months). Ironically the pushbacks against people who are PRO gas proves how insular the anti-gas crowd is, because apparently they can't imagine a reason someone would NEED that as an option
giardini 3y ago
No one "subsidizes" gas pipelines in most areas. Usually it is a (gasp) capitalistic private company that does that. But I agree it is easy to do it yourself with propane with one proviso: propane(like butane) has the somewhat insidious property that it is heavier than air so it flows downhill as it dissipates. If it flows to a spark or fire then a flame will spread from the point of first ignition to the propane source. So if you decide to build a home with a propane(or butane) tank you might consider locating your home on or near a hilltop (that you also own) so that any propane fumes roll away from your property: https://propanehq.com/do-propane-fumes-rise-or-fall/ https://propanehq.com/do-propane-fumes-rise-or-fall/ Natural gas is much lighter than air and rises quickly up and out of structures. b/c it dissipates so rapidly it is far, far safer than propane. But it is not as easily compressed as is propane so natgas is usually transported to the user in pipes at low pressure. https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-store-propane-not-natural-gas https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-st...
- danny_codes 3y ago
  Big false. A state-sanctioned monopoly is hardly a private company. They can set any price they want and force you to pay. That's not capitalism, that's extortion. So yes, gas infra is highly, highly subsidized. In a competitive market direct gas would have died out decades ago.

seanmcdirmid 3y ago

Large parts of the south in the USA lack natural gas from pipes also. Propane is much more common in those parts (see the cartoon “King of the Hill” for example).

PM_me_your_math 3y ago

If we wanted to live like the rest of the world, we wouldn't have started our own country.

tcfhgj 3y ago
Ironically you will achieve the opposite fueling climate change
- PM_me_your_math 3y ago
  Every single climate change prediction (hundreds of them) made since the 1960s have failed to materialize. ...But I'm the crazy one since I refuse to run around like a chicken without a head. The church of climatology and latter day taxes is full of shit. It has always been full of shit. It was always and shall always be a power play. I know for sure that earth's climate changes, but also know for sure that taxes and economic ham-stringing isn't going to influence it in any way, shape, or form.

endisneigh 3y ago

Would you say the same about plumbing? Much if the world doesn’t have that, you have to go and carry your own water from a local river to your house. Imagine how little water waste there would be if you had to haul it yourself.

inconceivable 3y ago

reducing quality of life to be more like the rest of the world is not really a great sales pitch. america is a sales-driven society.

IceHegel 3y ago
“the future is the third world”
danny_codes 3y ago
Dumbest take I've heard all day. Banning gas would increase quality of life. Why subject yourself to pollution, gas leaks and expensive secondary energy infrastructure when you can just not do that. I understand the gas lobby has spent billions convincing you otherwise, but the fact is that direct natural gas is far inferior to electricity at this point. Some education for you: https://youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54 https://youtu.be/hX2aZUav-54
- inconceivable 3y ago
  calling people dumb is also a really bad sales pitch. the problem with nanny-state types is they're just terrible at convincing anyone of anything, which is why they're always so upset at everyone else for being so dumb and ignorant. "i didn't call you dumb, i said this is a dumb take!" the problem with nanny-state types is ... anyway, i'm going to go cook some factory farmed pork bacon on my gas range and then hop into my pickup truck and drive about an hour to go visit my parents in the suburbs, catch you later.

nonethewiser 3y ago

Natural gas is ubiquitous in the US indeed. Which is why a small peninsula on the edge of the state/country deciding to ban it shows how insular NYC leadership is.

SheepSlapper 3y ago

What subsidizing? I built my house, I had to pay someone to dig into the street to hook up to the gas lines and then fix the road. Then I had to pay the gas company to install a meter and turn on service at my new address. And finally, they send me a bill every month for the gas I use. Having that gas hookup saves me a ton of hassle during the winter months when, inevitably, power goes out and I need to keep my place warm for a day or two (or more, though rarely) while I wait for service to be restored. My neighbors appreciate it as well, as they can come get warm in front of my gas fireplace and cook on my gas range. I have yet to see a downside of having gas as an option, it's only helped ESPECIALLY given the geographic realities of where I live (feet of snow overnight, subzero temps for weeks/months). Ironically the pushbacks against people who are PRO gas proves how insular the anti-gas crowd is, because apparently they can't imagine a reason someone would NEED that as an option

giardini 3y ago

No one "subsidizes" gas pipelines in most areas. Usually it is a (gasp) capitalistic private company that does that. But I agree it is easy to do it yourself with propane with one proviso: propane(like butane) has the somewhat insidious property that it is heavier than air so it flows downhill as it dissipates. If it flows to a spark or fire then a flame will spread from the point of first ignition to the propane source. So if you decide to build a home with a propane(or butane) tank you might consider locating your home on or near a hilltop (that you also own) so that any propane fumes roll away from your property: https://propanehq.com/do-propane-fumes-rise-or-fall/ https://propanehq.com/do-propane-fumes-rise-or-fall/ Natural gas is much lighter than air and rises quickly up and out of structures. b/c it dissipates so rapidly it is far, far safer than propane. But it is not as easily compressed as is propane so natgas is usually transported to the user in pipes at low pressure. https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-store-propane-not-natural-gas https://www.thenakedscientists.com/articles/questions/why-st...

danny_codes 3y ago
Big false. A state-sanctioned monopoly is hardly a private company. They can set any price they want and force you to pay. That's not capitalism, that's extortion. So yes, gas infra is highly, highly subsidized. In a competitive market direct gas would have died out decades ago.