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So it's like a social network with every type of relationship imaginable built into a low level programming language? That's wildly cool. This and Val Town [0

So it's like a social network with every type of relationship imaginable built into a low level programming language? That's wildly cool. This and Val Town [0] feel like they were made for each other. If you added them together with a nice front-end like mmm.page [1] I bet a million devs would sign up. I'm working on something in a similar space that I'm hoping mihht develop into that [2] It makes sense that the next step for the web is a more low-level social platform that works more like an agnostic API than a walled garden. [0] https://www.val.town/ https://www.val.town/ [1] https://build.mmm.page/ https://build.mmm.page/ [2] https://hyperspace.so/ https://hyperspace.so/

dangoodmanUT 3y ago
Thank you I've been trying to find the build.mmm.page link again for a year but I couldn't remember the name of the site XD
mstade 3y ago
The signal to noise ratio in your comment is off-the-charts awesome – thank you for the amazing links!!
discardedrefuse 3y ago
Thanks for these links. Looks like I have a new rabbit hole to explore! Side note: I was just watching the val.town video and at the end he mentions that "you are an object" and other people can access your properties. It immediately made me think of playing hackmud. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad!
xhfloz 3y ago
Heyyo. Creator of mmm.page here. Fun to see it mentioned. In case it's of interest, I've been coming at this from a more GUI perspective: scriptable objects (like paper) [1] and social primitives [2]. Excited to see where this project goes. [1] https://paper.mmm.dev/ https://paper.mmm.dev/ [2] https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1611094168981458981 https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1611094168981458981
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- surprisetalk 3y ago
  Author here. The more I dig into mmm.page, the more I'm loving what you've built! I can't wait to play around with it next week. The design is gorgeous so far. Somebody is giving a talk on "Print Inspired People-Computing" at my tech conference this August. You two would probably get along pretty well! I'd love to have you in our community, so feel free to email me at taylor@outland.sh and I'll send you a free ticket :) [1] https://outland.sh https://outland.sh
  - xhfloz 3y ago
    Oh, amazing! I am planning my travels for this year -- I just might :) And thank you for the kind words.
still_grokking 3y ago
> https://build.mmm.page/ https://build.mmm.page/ The stuff there looks like a "MySpace 2.0". And that's not a compliment.
- patpatpat 3y ago
  Are you kidding? This is a bonanza!!!
  - still_grokking 3y ago
    Maybe. But only if you like 90's web with blinking GIFs all over the place. I'm grown out of it.
    - xhfloz 3y ago
      One fundamental design principle of mine has been to be minimally prescriptive with the interface of mmm.page, so that people can create whatever they want. If that means 90s throwback, then I won't go out of my way to prevent that. That being said, I have my thoughts on nostalgia-mining [1], and in short, believe that a more interesting visual culture today requires a more contemporary approach. For example, one of my favorite pages is a page of hand-drawn comics combined with GIFs made by a kid [2], another is a cleverly-designed page on "soft tech" [3]. Here is an illustrative thread comparing link-in-bios and mmm.page sites made by the same person -- it's surprising how much tools can limit our self-expression [4]. Personally, I get excited when I see these examples -- a departure from the grid-confines of contemporary web design. In theory, nothing about "letting people create pages with as much freedom as possible" intrinsically = "90s web with blinking GIFs all over". Let me know if you have any other questions. [1] https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1631746051295117313 https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1631746051295117313 [2] https://littlebookfair.mmm.page/oneoneone https://littlebookfair.mmm.page/oneoneone [3] https://helena.mmm.page/soft_tech https://helena.mmm.page/soft_tech [4] https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1649508702523645956 https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1649508702523645956
surprisetalk 3y ago
Wow, you totally get my vision! This is pretty much my plan for the next few years, with some added surprises :) I really want to rekindle the days of geocities and flash. I call this "the cheap web" haha I've also been working on open standards for authentication and payments within the ecosystem, but I'm not quite happy with the results yet. I don't like this world where we have to use companies like Auth0 and Stripe to build something worthwhile. I'm open to ideas!
- CodexArcana 3y ago
  You should look into https://small-tech.org/ https://small-tech.org/. I don't know if they're still active (I discovered them a few months ago, and they seemed active.) But they definitely have a similar point of view.
  - rapnie 3y ago
    They are active. You can follow Aral Balkan [0] and Laura Kalbag [1] on the Fediverse. Aral is building a range of small-tech goodies, like Kitten [2], a small web development kit. And they are starting their 'Small is Beautiful' [3] livestreams again, using Owncast. [0] https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral [1] https://mastodon.laurakalbag.com/@laura https://mastodon.laurakalbag.com/@laura [2] https://codeberg.org/kitten https://codeberg.org/kitten [3] https://owncast.small-web.org/ https://owncast.small-web.org/
- ilaksh 3y ago
  Use some type of cryptocurrency for payments, or maybe a unified interface to different cryptocurrencies. Or maybe you can come up with something similar to a cryptocurrency that integrates with your data structure and has core things like digital signatures for secure transactions and public distributed ledger(s). It seems like there could be a way to adapt some underlying features of ScrapScript for this stuff. Maybe as part of the "lab" thing. Just don't call it a cryptocurrency. Lol.
  - spicybright 3y ago

dangoodmanUT 3y ago

Thank you I've been trying to find the build.mmm.page link again for a year but I couldn't remember the name of the site XD

mstade 3y ago

The signal to noise ratio in your comment is off-the-charts awesome – thank you for the amazing links!!

discardedrefuse 3y ago

Thanks for these links. Looks like I have a new rabbit hole to explore! Side note: I was just watching the val.town video and at the end he mentions that "you are an object" and other people can access your properties. It immediately made me think of playing hackmud. Not sure if that's a good thing or bad!

xhfloz 3y ago

Heyyo. Creator of mmm.page here. Fun to see it mentioned. In case it's of interest, I've been coming at this from a more GUI perspective: scriptable objects (like paper) [1] and social primitives [2]. Excited to see where this project goes. [1] https://paper.mmm.dev/ https://paper.mmm.dev/ [2] https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1611094168981458981 https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1611094168981458981

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surprisetalk 3y ago
Author here. The more I dig into mmm.page, the more I'm loving what you've built! I can't wait to play around with it next week. The design is gorgeous so far. Somebody is giving a talk on "Print Inspired People-Computing" at my tech conference this August. You two would probably get along pretty well! I'd love to have you in our community, so feel free to email me at taylor@outland.sh and I'll send you a free ticket :) [1] https://outland.sh https://outland.sh
- xhfloz 3y ago
  Oh, amazing! I am planning my travels for this year -- I just might :) And thank you for the kind words.

still_grokking 3y ago

> https://build.mmm.page/ https://build.mmm.page/ The stuff there looks like a "MySpace 2.0". And that's not a compliment.

patpatpat 3y ago
Are you kidding? This is a bonanza!!!
- still_grokking 3y ago
  Maybe. But only if you like 90's web with blinking GIFs all over the place. I'm grown out of it.
  - xhfloz 3y ago
    One fundamental design principle of mine has been to be minimally prescriptive with the interface of mmm.page, so that people can create whatever they want. If that means 90s throwback, then I won't go out of my way to prevent that. That being said, I have my thoughts on nostalgia-mining [1], and in short, believe that a more interesting visual culture today requires a more contemporary approach. For example, one of my favorite pages is a page of hand-drawn comics combined with GIFs made by a kid [2], another is a cleverly-designed page on "soft tech" [3]. Here is an illustrative thread comparing link-in-bios and mmm.page sites made by the same person -- it's surprising how much tools can limit our self-expression [4]. Personally, I get excited when I see these examples -- a departure from the grid-confines of contemporary web design. In theory, nothing about "letting people create pages with as much freedom as possible" intrinsically = "90s web with blinking GIFs all over". Let me know if you have any other questions. [1] https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1631746051295117313 https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1631746051295117313 [2] https://littlebookfair.mmm.page/oneoneone https://littlebookfair.mmm.page/oneoneone [3] https://helena.mmm.page/soft_tech https://helena.mmm.page/soft_tech [4] https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1649508702523645956 https://twitter.com/xhfloz/status/1649508702523645956

surprisetalk 3y ago

Wow, you totally get my vision! This is pretty much my plan for the next few years, with some added surprises :) I really want to rekindle the days of geocities and flash. I call this "the cheap web" haha I've also been working on open standards for authentication and payments within the ecosystem, but I'm not quite happy with the results yet. I don't like this world where we have to use companies like Auth0 and Stripe to build something worthwhile. I'm open to ideas!

CodexArcana 3y ago
You should look into https://small-tech.org/ https://small-tech.org/. I don't know if they're still active (I discovered them a few months ago, and they seemed active.) But they definitely have a similar point of view.
- rapnie 3y ago
  They are active. You can follow Aral Balkan [0] and Laura Kalbag [1] on the Fediverse. Aral is building a range of small-tech goodies, like Kitten [2], a small web development kit. And they are starting their 'Small is Beautiful' [3] livestreams again, using Owncast. [0] https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral https://mastodon.ar.al/@aral [1] https://mastodon.laurakalbag.com/@laura https://mastodon.laurakalbag.com/@laura [2] https://codeberg.org/kitten https://codeberg.org/kitten [3] https://owncast.small-web.org/ https://owncast.small-web.org/
ilaksh 3y ago
Use some type of cryptocurrency for payments, or maybe a unified interface to different cryptocurrencies. Or maybe you can come up with something similar to a cryptocurrency that integrates with your data structure and has core things like digital signatures for secure transactions and public distributed ledger(s). It seems like there could be a way to adapt some underlying features of ScrapScript for this stuff. Maybe as part of the "lab" thing. Just don't call it a cryptocurrency. Lol.
- spicybright 3y ago