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If you're in the market for buy-it-for-life solid wood furniture: https://www.thejoinery.com https://www.thejoinery.com https://vermontwoodsstudios.com/ https
by blueridge 3y ago
If you're in the market for buy-it-for-life solid wood furniture:
https://www.thejoinery.com https://www.thejoinery.com
https://vermontwoodsstudios.com/ https://vermontwoodsstudios.com/
https://hedgehousefurniture.com https://hedgehousefurniture.com
https://57stdesign.com https://57stdesign.com
https://www.57thstreetbookcase.com/ https://www.57thstreetbookcase.com/ (all bookcases, some veneer and plywood)
https://www.spekeklein.com/home https://www.spekeklein.com/home
https://www.pompy.com/ https://www.pompy.com/
https://www.chiltons.com/ https://www.chiltons.com/
https://roomandboard.com https://roomandboard.com (mix of solid and veneer, some MDF)
These makers are in a league of their own, very expensive, incredibly beautiful hand-made pieces:
https://www.sammaloofwoodworker.com https://www.sammaloofwoodworker.com
https://www.thosmoser.com https://www.thosmoser.com (highly recommended)
https://nakashimawoodworkers.com https://nakashimawoodworkers.com (new commissions around $7K-$15K for a coffee table, $20K-40K for dining table, plus shipping; older Nakashima pieces are highly valued in the art world and sell anywhere between $15K-$300K)
https://www.wright20.com/search/nakashima/items#past https://www.wright20.com/search/nakashima/items#past
Edit: Also, to echo what someone mentioned below, if you're interested in solid wood furniture you should find a local woodworker.
Another edit and thought: I used to own a lot of IKEA furniture and as I've gotten older, have slowly replaced those pieces with items from Knoll, with custom pieces from local woodworkers, with a few pieces from the studios listed above. A lot of people are commenting on the cost, and yes they're expensive and could be considered luxury goods.
But if you like art and design and you care about quality, you save for what you want to buy. I wanted to be surrounded by great craftsmanship, so instead of buying "stuff" and instead of spending money on lots of subscriptions and services, or constantly upgrading phones and computers, I buy one piece of nice furniture every year. I believe the more you appreciate the things around you, the more they begin to influence your own work, and your sense of place.
I regularly see a lot of IKEA furniture on the side of the road and in dumpsters. I think this is the difference between buying "things" and having "possessions" but that's a discussion for another day.
- 535188B17C93743 3y agoWhy is there no way to save comments on HN? Or is there? I want to save this for one day when I can afford this all, haha.
- kdmssn 3y agoClick on the time of the comment and then you will see a favourite option
- 535188B17C93743 3y agoAwesome!
- MisterTea 3y agoI keep a text file of interesting hn discussions/comments. I maintain a sort-of format where the URL goes on the first line and the next line is the article title and below that any key words then skip a line for the next. I have a directory full of text files with links sorted by topic. I have a command that just greps that directory and tells me the text file and line number.
- MisterTea 3y agoGah! I did not explain that right at all. I wrote that in the middle of travel. The sort-of format is "Article title", article URL, URL to HN discussion or comment of interest, keywords or phrases that help grepping, newline after each line. I then use a simple grep script called looklink that just does a grep -ni $1 $home/doc/links/* Why this route? Bookmarking in a browser doesn't let me add context and metadata to the URL the where a flat text file lets me do that. Plus I have to put in effort to add the link so you wind up with more focused and interesting links instead of a bunch of crap you thought you might be interested in. Meanwhile you cand find the actual link you want because there's no real metadata with it.
- pcurve 3y agoEven the cheaper ones are quite princely.
- slg 3y agoAnd these highlight the main reason why IKEA is still so successful. The apparent starting price for a bed appears to be $1800 on those sites (at least the ones in which I could easily find a price). Meanwhile IKEA has options under $200. I understand all the complaints that people have regarding the durability of IKEA furniture and how it is potentially getting worse, but replacing IKEA furniture every 2 years is still a more attractive deal for many people than replacing some higher quality stuff every 15-20 years.
- krat0sprakhar 3y ago> replacing IKEA furniture every 2 years is still a more attractive deal for many people than replacing some higher quality stuff every 15-20 years. Especially true for those of us living in apartments and moving residences every 3-4 years
- distances 3y agoI'm missing something, why is it assumed that living in an apartment is short term?
- mdmglr 3y agoUnited States
- red-iron-pine 3y agonot everyone is in a tech hub and can jump jobs without moving. and the parent comment implies they're doing a 3-5 year jump / move. that doesn't mean people can stay in the same place long term, but if you're going to be there for 10+ years it might make sense to buy. yeah yeah i get no one can do that in SF or London, but plenty of HN posters who aren't in those cities.
- distances 3y agoBut if you buy, it would be more common to buy an apartment than a house, no? At least in European cities. Which would counter the assumption of short-term apartment living.
- bluesummers5651 3y agoTo add to this, I've liked the Room & Board furniture I've purchased as well. It's pretty simple design-wise, but solid wood, American-made (if you care about things like that), and broadly available. But honestly, the nicest piece of furniture I have is something I commissioned a local cabinet maker to make. It was only marginally more expensive than what a comparable piece at R&B would cost, but was completely custom in a way that R&B could not be, and it was also nice to support local woodworkers.
- blueridge 3y agoR&B is another good one, added to the list. And yes, local woodworkers are a great option!
- audunw 3y agoThere's a lot of people saying solid wood furniture is more sustainable. I seriously doubt that though. If you like solid wood, and you make sure to take care of it, then I think it's a good choice. As long as not too many of us do it at the same time. Imagine how much hardwood you'd suddenly have to cut down if everyone started buying these instead of IKEA furniture. You can use the price as a rough proxy for resource consumption. In my experience IKEA furniture lasts a good fraction of a lifetime. You can buy several for the price of one of these solid wood furniture, and I think you can also buy several before the resource impact is the same as well. I'm honestly quite impressed with the engineering they're doing with cardboard these days. We have a coffee table and two wall shelves mounted below a TV.. and we have kids. They get treated badly, and they can take it. I hope to replace the coffee table with something nicer one day, but the IKEA one can get a second life in the basement. The only thing I would have wished was solid wood is our dining table. The veneer is a bit damaged from moisture or heat. If it was solid wood we could've sanded and treated it. I think the sustainable thing is a combination of IKEAs approach and solid wood. Every solid wood furniture bought will hopefully reduce the amount of trees we cut down over the long term, if they're well taken care of. Eventually it'll reduce the amount of IKEA-style furniture that has to be made. But right now that the population is still growing so much, and we need so much new furniture for new households, I suspect the best thing is to use the fastest growing wood and use as little as possible of it in the furniture.
- ericpauley 3y agoAgreed, I think the complaints about IKEA sustainability is mostly just a luxury belief. IKEA furniture is cheaper because it uses fewer resources (especially less wood). When lightly used in a home environment a lot of it can last a very long time.
- e15ctr0n 3y ago> The only thing I would have wished was solid wood is our dining table. Try the IKEA JOKKMOKK. Made with solid pine and stained with clear lacquer. https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/jokkmokk-table-and-4-chairs-antique-stain-50211104/ https://www.ikea.com/us/en/p/jokkmokk-table-and-4-chairs-ant...
- dpierce9 3y agoNo Gomer Bolstrood?
- VoodooJuJu 3y agoThese are, unfortunately, luxury goods. I don't want them to be. There was a time when they weren't. But they're now luxury goods. The masses have to suffer Ikea - it's all we can afford. The above stuff is for the upper classes.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoThe first link I clicked brought me to a $2000 bar stool. That's nice I'm sure, but I'm out. I'll buy used.
- pseudosavant 3y agoThis is when I like to point out that you can find skilled carpenters who will make you custom furniture sized just how you want for less than that. That is what I did in my kitchen nook.
- SV_BubbleTime 3y agoThat's a good point. I have an older guy I met at a farmer's market, in my phone under Greg Shelves, it's a land line, I have to pay in cash. The problem is I never know exactly what I'm going get, but it is always nice.
- oblio 3y agoYou need to know them, or have someone you really trust recommend them. Then you need to see some samples of what they've done. And I imagine most can't show you 3D mockups of the end result.
- JAlexoid 3y agoEm.... I'm an amateur carpenter and $200 is probably the least I'll charge you for a custom side table (without drawers). Skilled carpenters charge a lot more. A bar stool will probably run you at $1000. Consider that mass produced chairs are like $100-200 a piece from IKEA.
- gregschlom 3y ago
- danielfoster 3y agoThese are all stunning. Excellent craft is worth it. It’s beautiful when something lasts forever. Maybe I’m too young (I don’t think so, I’m 32), but I have been impressed with how long some of my IKEA pieces have held up. Since IKEA products are so easy to disassemble and often modular, they are easy to buy and sell. I’ve bought countless used IKEA items over the years and sold nearly as many. These products are perfect for people who constantly move or have changing needs. IKEA does not make throw-away furniture.
- JAlexoid 3y agoI will add another thing - handmade solid wood furniture is never dimensionally accurate. So you can't mix and match, as much as you can with many IKEA pieces.
- random314 3y ago[dead]
- danwee 3y agoJust clicked on the first link: $1225 for one chair (https://www.thejoinery.com/furniture/dining-chairs-dining-room/dining-chairs/hayden-dining-chair https://www.thejoinery.com/furniture/dining-chairs-dining-ro...). I have 4 Ikea STEFAN. Around $47 each. Been 4 years already and they are still intact. Sure, the quality of the Hayden is way better, but 26 times better? I don't think so.
- Spivak 3y agoOr phrased differently you could replace your ikea chair 25 times over your lifetime and still come out ahead. These kinds of pieces are generational purchases. They do save you money but on a very long timescale that you yourself likely won't realize.
- matsemann 3y agoAnd costly to maintain as well. Source: have some wegner y stol or whatever from before me where the rope/strings are about to disintegrate (thanks, cats..). A small fortune if I want to refurbish them.
- nradov 3y agoThe next generation probably won't even want those pieces because they will have different lifestyles and preferences. If you want to buy nice furniture and can afford it then go ahead, but when you die it will most likely be thrown away or donated to Goodwill.
- aidenn0 3y agoThis is particularly true with people having fewer kids. 10 pieces of furniture goes fast when you have 20+ grandchildren. Not so much when you have 2 grandchildren.
- systemtest 3y agoI inherited Vitra furniture and Artemide lights. Decades old but still fashionable and they hold their value well. I will likely pass these down to my children one day. The right furniture is timeless.
- bobchadwick 3y agoThis gets to the heart of the argument Christopher Schwarz makes in his book, The Anarchist's Design Book [1], which is that it's nearly impossible for people who aren't rich to buy high quality furniture that will last a lifetime. An alternative is to build it yourself. The Anarchist's Design book presents relatively simple plans for building high quality furniture without requiring a ton of experience or tools. [1] https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-design-book https://lostartpress.com/products/the-anarchists-design-book
- red-iron-pine 3y ago> Curious about what we mean by "anarchism?" Read this short FAQ. It's probably not what you think. presumably added at the bottom because people were expecting to download it for free...
- dirtyid 3y ago> high quality furniture that will last a lifetime Other caveat being high quality furniture rarely last a life time, restoration / repair can cost more than normal furniture. Another consideration is some luxury furniture / design pieces don't perform that well to heavy every day wear. There's a lot of pieces in big homes / spaces that gets very occasional use.
- SamuelAdams 3y agoWho actually wants the same furniture for life though? People move houses often. In my state the average length of a 15/30 year mortgage is 5 years, meaning the homeowner either refinances or sells and moves to another home. New home means new furniture, and if the old furniture doesn’t fit the new home’s style then sorry, it’s out and something else replaces it. The idea of people living in the same house for 30-50 years is dead. IKEA understands this, so they create furniture that lasts the average length of a mortgage.
- shaftway 3y agoI only bring this up because the GP post is talking about furniture you build yourself, but when you design and build something you will likely want it for significantly longer. I'm sitting at a desk I designed and built last summer. It represents around 80 hours of work over 4 months, from design to implementation. Everyone who sees it oooh's and aaah's, and I expect to have this desk until I die. It's surrounded by Ikea stuff that will be thrown away when we move next. From what I understand this is a part of why Ikea's furniture has such wide appeal. You had a hand in building it, so you have some attachment to it.
- kajecounterhack 3y agohttps://www.gingkofurniture.com https://www.gingkofurniture.com has plenty of stuff in the $400-2k range, and most of their pieces are also buy it for life. Solid hardwood (walnut) construction, steel-framed shelving, etc. They have physical locations in the bay area.
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- aimor 3y agoThanks for this list. Buy it for life is right. I've inherited plenty of buy it for life furniture from family and friends, had some repaired and refinished, bought others off craigslist or estate sales etc, some are on their last legs or are too special to be anything but an heirloom as opposed to usable furniture. Of course things don't stay beautiful forever without care; kids (myself included, I damaged some nice furniture when little) are probably the most destructive force. I still go back and forth (have a need for bookshelves right now) between the price tiers of Ikea's Billy, local used sales, and new wood furniture. But I've never regretted buying something nice.
- JAlexoid 3y ago> yes they're expensive and could be considered luxury goods They are luxury goods. We know well that melamine board furniture lasts a lifetime, and there's little need to have a $15k coffee table. Getting a local woodworker to build you anything larger than a pair of side tables is thousands of dollars, without even the material costs. Your whole comment is a little detached from reality and reads very condescending.
- asfasfo 3y agoCan anyone suggest something that is there anything reasonably priced? I'm willing to pay 5-10x IKEA prices, but most of the products here are 25x IKEA prices. Room and Board is the only place I see that is somewhat attainable on this list. Most of my IKEA pieces last a decade so there is no way I can economically justify these prices.