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Droit de Suite
- oh_sigh 3y agoI'd love to see this x-ray: > The painter Salvador Dalí had a particular attachment to Millet’s The Angelus, and he also had a premonition about it. He saw in the shape of its figures and the hue of its light a scene of mourning, not just work and prayer. This was not a widely accepted interpretation until, sure enough, the Louvre had the painting examined by x-ray, and the outline of a child's coffin could be seen under the basket of potatoes. The steeple in the distance, too, was a late addition.
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- jccooper 3y agohttps://www.religionenlibertad.com/blog/57334/angelus-jeanfranoismillet-.html https://www.religionenlibertad.com/blog/57334/angelus-jeanfr... It's kinda there, if you look closely. Quite noisy, though.
- jgeada 3y agoBasically rent seeking behavior, expecting perpetual payment for work completed in the past (aka passive income) Why stop at paintings, what renders a painting more deserving of payments in perpetuity for the author over, say a chair or some piece of furniture. Or a car, or any of the other myriad of goods people make.
- AnAfrican 3y agoThe logic is really about helping starving or struggling artists. They sell their work for "cheap" while broke because they're struggling. Later (often too late) their talent is recognized and the same work is re-sold at a huge markup. The idea is to give the original artist (or his heirs) a part of that new value.
- FrontierPsych 3y agoBecause fine artists are something cultural that adds beauty and a new way of looking at the world around us. The Mona Lisa is different from a 1982 Ford Escort. I mean, maybe you don't see it that way, but most of humanity does.
- basisword 3y ago>> Basically rent seeking behavior, expecting perpetual payment for work completed in the past (aka passive income) Sounds like most SaaS companies. >> Why stop at paintings, what renders a painting more deserving of payments in perpetuity for the author over, say a chair or some piece of furniture. Or a car, or any of the other myriad of goods people make. The fact that those things can be replicated and/or mass produced? If it was a one-off handcrafted car or piece of furniture then I agree, it should be covered under the same law.
- mcculley 3y ago>> Basically rent seeking behavior, expecting perpetual payment for work completed in the past (aka passive income) > Sounds like most SaaS companies. Most SaaS companies have perpetually recurring costs of their own (e.g., storage, compute, bandwidth, security updates).
- egypturnash 3y agoMost artists have perpetually recurring costs too: rent, subscriptions to digital tools, food, etc.
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- lordnacho 3y agoWhy would you need a special law for this? Put it in the sales contract. Football clubs do the same when they sell a young player.
- AnAfrican 3y agoIn football, training club compensation is mandatory : https://www.easportslaw.com/news/training-compensation-and-solidarity-mechanism https://www.easportslaw.com/news/training-compensation-and-s... Sure, this is a FIFA regulation (and not state or EU) but let's not act like this is purely voluntary.
- dan-robertson 3y agoThere are cases where there are time limits on certain kinds of contracts. Maybe this would limit such a contract. I don’t really know though.
- axlee 3y agoBecause laws are there to fix asymmetries in negotiation power between parties. As you can imagine, artists and art collectors/galleries are not really on the same level.
- lordnacho 3y agoThat's actually reasonable. If you're eating out of tins every night you might sell your upside for a pittance. However, there's still the question of why this particular thing should have that protection. You could well stretch this and say engineers with massive student loans are equally up against the wall, and should get paid a piece if the code they write turns out to be very profitable later on. They don't all get equity in the company.
- jsdwarf 3y agoA sales contract is always a bilateral agreement between two clubs. Hence you cannot stipulate that the selling club will earn a share in ALL future sales of the player. Only a law could do that.
- anorphirith 3y agoA perfect example of "Se reposer sur ses lauriers" ...rest on one's laurels
- nine_k 3y agoI suppose most of the proceeds are enough to buy a pack of bay leaves indeed, and not much more. Of course it may make a difference for a few celebrity creators whose works are resold for millions.
- bigmattystyles 3y agoIsn't this what some NFTs tried to do in contract form, the minter would in perpetuity get a percentage of resales?
- hammyhavoc 3y agoSure, but once created, a painting isn't burning resources by just existing, nor is the provenance of a piece of art nor a contract. But y'know what these crowds are like, one week it's "crypto gud. invest in me startup that uses NFTs or ERC-20 tokens to XYZ", the next it's "nobody here ever supported NFTs or crypto, I don't know what you're talking about". Selective memory abounds, throw around buzzwords like "rentseeking" like the company they dev SaaS for isn't doing that.
- bigmattystyles 3y agoOh, I'm not endorsing it, was just noting the similarity.
- keyle 3y agoYes, they didn't invent the concept. Not much has been innovated in that field...
- throw101010 3y agoWhat's up with the negativity? The fact that the contract is enforced automatically, the dues are paid irrevocably on every sale, and depending on the blockchain in a censorship resistant way seem like some innovation... Good luck getting paid your "droit de suite" once your painting is outside of the almost only jurisdiction where it *was* practiced.