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The EU is at the side of the customers as long as the companies making the product are not in the EU. Had the EU a strong phone manufacturer industry that didn'
by est31 3y ago
The EU is at the side of the customers as long as the companies making the product are not in the EU. Had the EU a strong phone manufacturer industry that didn't use USB-C, we still wouldn't have that requirement. Companies always maintain closest lobbying ties to the governments they reside in (at least if both economies are equally developed), and countries care less about companies that don't give many jobs to their residents or taxation revenue.
- iSnow 3y agoI would like to see some solid proof on this, as I don't buy this claim. The EU has squeezed telcoms on roaming charges which created a lot of howling. The EU also has rather strict regulation concerning gas use of cars, ICE emissions and so on, probably second only to California. The EU approach to food and pharma security is fundamentally different to that of the USA, and it impacts EU companies. Regulations around green GMOs are so strict they basically killed the European market for GMOs.
- tough 3y agoJust look at how german banks or car manufacturers are treated in EU
- dfee 3y agoHere you are: https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-takes-the-eu-hostage-on-cars/ https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-takes-the-eu-hostage...
- iSnow 3y agoThat is hardly the fault of the EU, but one member state. Everyone points to the evil bureaucratic EU, but in reality, member states frequently get in the way of the EU to protect their industry. In both cases, Germany had to accept rules they would have never accepted if they were outside of the EU - even if they sadly were able to soften them up.
- tough 3y agoWell it would make sense that the problem is precisely that some state members have an outweighted power distribution for calling the shots. Like yeah, Germany likes to keep the EU as a consumer of their shit, basically. France likes to play along 2nd I guess
- est31 3y agoThe same is happening with other countries and other sectors. Say how strong the farming sector is in France.
- tough 3y agoMcDonalds vs French Farmers
- Loic 3y agoBy the way, the way farmers destroyed McDonalds in France in the 2000's created a wake up call for the company to adapt its offers to the local markets. Afterwards France was the fastest growing market and the "recipe" was then exported all over the world. This really interesting to read about it.
- Y-bar 3y agoLike this? Last month: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/business/france-bank-raid-tax-fraud.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/03/28/business/france-bank-raid... A year ago: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/29/deutsche-bank-hq-frankfurt-raided-suspected-money-laundering https://www.theguardian.com/business/2022/apr/29/deutsche-ba... A few years ago: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/17/deutsche-bank-faces-action-over-20bn-russian-money-laundering-scheme https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/apr/17/deutsche-ba... Panama papers: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/29/deutsche-bank-offices-raided-connection-with-panama-papers https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/nov/29/deutsche-ba...
- Agingcoder 3y agoAnd don’t forget GDPR
- wkat4242 3y agoWell.. Germany did lobby very hard to not completely forbid ICE sales by 2035. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-05/germany-and-eu-pursue-talks-on-deal-to-ban-combustion-engines https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-05/germany-a... This was Germany the government, not the car companies. We're not perfect here in the EU either. But indeed the interests do seem more balanced than in the US in general.
- bluecalm 3y agoAlso regulation to automatically limit speed of cars - the biggest low hanging fruit when it comes to safety and quality of life in cities keeps getting delayed and crippled because of car manufacturers want to sell fast cars.
- zarzavat 3y agoIs it just car manufacturers who are not keen on the idea? I for one don’t want a computer that has zero situational awareness, interfering with the controls when I’m driving and responsible for the vehicle. The ability of computers to control the vehicle should be proportional to their perceptive abilities. No output without input.
- wkat4242 3y agoComputers don't have zero situational awareness anymore, look at what Tesla is doing. But even strict limiters without intelligence are commonplace, here in the EU most trucks are fitted with them. Which can be annoying because it causes trucks to overtake each other ridiculously slowly sometimes. It's not something that causes major safety issues though.
- pornel 3y agoTesla's FSD, despite a decade of promises, is still not ready. Most (non-Tesla) cars have some speed limit display, either based on vision or maps, and it works ~90% of the time. It's okay as a FYI, but not reliable enough to be more than that. Before we can mandate software to observe the limits, we need proper software-readable signage. Sometimes signs are placed between two roads running in parallel, and apply to the other one. Humans understand that subtlety in sign position, but computer vision doesn't. Signs can also be obscured by trees, etc. My car's GPS-based speed detection doesn't understand height, so on crossings with bridges/overpasses it picks one at random. When I drive on a highway it can briefly flip to a speed limit of some ramp, and I wouldn't want this to cause phantom breaking.
- roguas 3y agoShow me example of a thing that would prove it. EU has tons of regulation on cars(most of manufacturers are EU based) - ask any car manufacturer how easy it is to get a car sold in EU(not saying that tons of regulation is good or that difficulty of producing is good, but it is an example that goes well against your argument).
- AdamN 3y agoThere is an argument that companies in mature sectors (like automobiles) advocate for increased regulation as a moat to keep competitors out since building a mechanism to comply is extremely expensive for new entrants.
- sofixa 3y agoThat would be a shallow argument. Manufacturing cars, at scale, is a very complex problem that even manufacturers that have jumped over the "moat" in getting a vehicle approved by regulators like Tesla struggle a lot with. Also, car safety and pollution regulations are extremely important given the prevalence of cars so it's not like it's useless regulations just for the sake of it.
- roguas 3y agoWell, yeah but your definition is also kinda recursive "mature" sector is a regulated sector. Well restaurant schtick to me is way more mature if we stick to original vibe. The thing is most regulation is happening where people actually get hurt. Hey, I am not super pro regulation person, but in comment above, I just tried to disprove something that seemed false. I am not going steelman pro-regulation arguments any more :)
- dmw_ng 3y agoThe effort to standardize chargers in the EU began at least as early as 2009, 2 years after the original iPhone release and not long after peak Nokia.