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One thing that surprised me reading the article is that Boca Chica doesn't have a water deluge system. I somehow expected that this would be standard once devel

One thing that surprised me reading the article is that Boca Chica doesn't have a water deluge system. I somehow expected that this would be standard once development moves beyond the early prototypes. If the noise levels are off by 20 decibels compared to the expected limits used for the application, that seems like a very valid complaint. I cannot judge how reliable the cited measurement is though.

toomuchtodo 4y ago
https://youtu.be/FsqBYJd56Ko https://youtu.be/FsqBYJd56Ko Deluge system component delivery and install video, Feb 2023.
- fabian2k 4y ago
  Hmm, so it seems there is a water deluge system in contrast to the claims in the article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsbnYp0FYKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsbnYp0FYKU But to me that look dramatically undersized if you look at the Kennedy Space Center one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo). And Starship is a very large rocket. Not sure what to make of this yet.
  - Aeolun 4y ago
    I really love how the kennedy space center one looks. But looking at the apollo launch video that links from it it doesn’t appear to be enough (or at least not enough it doesn’t instantly turn into steam).
sottol 4y ago
Something about this also makes me feel a bit, hmm, I guess "concerned". I know SpaceX is very efficient and that they hustle to a degree, but their launch site looks very "min-viable" (at best). I hope this does not and will not extend to other parts of their designs.
- allenrb 4y ago
  They’re learning how to build this type of launch site at the same time they’re learning how to build this type of rocket. These guys are not clowns. Their Falcon 9 is arguably the most reliable rocket ever built. On top of successfully performing its launch duties, it has chalked up more than one hundred successful booster landings in a row. Please don’t make the mistake of assuming that what you see today is going to be the unalterable future of space launch.
  - freejazz 4y ago
    >"These guys are not clowns." Not sure who these guys are, but given that SpaceX top brass spends a good bit of their effort running schemes and cover so that Elon is bamboozled away from the actual work indicates that there is at least one clown there.
    - mlindner 4y ago
      It'd be great to explain what exactly you mean by that statement. SpaceX upper management and Elon are on great relations.
      - freejazz 4y ago
        It's been well documented that SpaceX upper brass spend their time bamboozling Elon away from the actual work that needs to be done, so he can't fuck it up. I have no idea what you are talking about w/r/t "relations"
        mlindner 4y ago
        There's actually no documentation I've ever seen of this so I'm not sure why you're saying it's "well documented".
        freejazz 4y ago
        Several news reports based upon interviews with staff is exactly what documentation is, don't be obtuse.
cjbgkagh 4y ago
20dB is 100x or two orders of magnitude. It's pretty common for devs to get things off by one order of magnitude but two is much less common, and I hope these engineers have been more careful. Plus physics tends to prevent things from being 100x of by accident, at least it would be very rare and occur on a Pareto distribution similar to the frequency vs intensity relationship of earthquakes.
moralestapia 4y ago
There is one deluge system in place but it is honestly a joke, https://www.youtube.com/live/2kG4AbAcia0?feature=share&t=24056 https://www.youtube.com/live/2kG4AbAcia0?feature=share&t=240... The wildlife reaction there should raise some eyebrows already, the EPA should definitely be concerned about that. It was also a 5 second long test, compared to a full launch, I can see a chance of the whole base blowing up, lol.

toomuchtodo 4y ago

https://youtu.be/FsqBYJd56Ko https://youtu.be/FsqBYJd56Ko Deluge system component delivery and install video, Feb 2023.

fabian2k 4y ago
Hmm, so it seems there is a water deluge system in contrast to the claims in the article. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsbnYp0FYKU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsbnYp0FYKU But to me that look dramatically undersized if you look at the Kennedy Space Center one (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNkmwrTjKuo). And Starship is a very large rocket. Not sure what to make of this yet.
- Aeolun 4y ago
  I really love how the kennedy space center one looks. But looking at the apollo launch video that links from it it doesn’t appear to be enough (or at least not enough it doesn’t instantly turn into steam).

sottol 4y ago

Something about this also makes me feel a bit, hmm, I guess "concerned". I know SpaceX is very efficient and that they hustle to a degree, but their launch site looks very "min-viable" (at best). I hope this does not and will not extend to other parts of their designs.

allenrb 4y ago
They’re learning how to build this type of launch site at the same time they’re learning how to build this type of rocket. These guys are not clowns. Their Falcon 9 is arguably the most reliable rocket ever built. On top of successfully performing its launch duties, it has chalked up more than one hundred successful booster landings in a row. Please don’t make the mistake of assuming that what you see today is going to be the unalterable future of space launch.
- freejazz 4y ago
  >"These guys are not clowns." Not sure who these guys are, but given that SpaceX top brass spends a good bit of their effort running schemes and cover so that Elon is bamboozled away from the actual work indicates that there is at least one clown there.
  - mlindner 4y ago
    It'd be great to explain what exactly you mean by that statement. SpaceX upper management and Elon are on great relations.
    - freejazz 4y ago
      It's been well documented that SpaceX upper brass spend their time bamboozling Elon away from the actual work that needs to be done, so he can't fuck it up. I have no idea what you are talking about w/r/t "relations"
      - mlindner 4y ago
        There's actually no documentation I've ever seen of this so I'm not sure why you're saying it's "well documented".
        freejazz 4y ago
        Several news reports based upon interviews with staff is exactly what documentation is, don't be obtuse.

cjbgkagh 4y ago

20dB is 100x or two orders of magnitude. It's pretty common for devs to get things off by one order of magnitude but two is much less common, and I hope these engineers have been more careful. Plus physics tends to prevent things from being 100x of by accident, at least it would be very rare and occur on a Pareto distribution similar to the frequency vs intensity relationship of earthquakes.

moralestapia 4y ago

There is one deluge system in place but it is honestly a joke, https://www.youtube.com/live/2kG4AbAcia0?feature=share&t=24056 https://www.youtube.com/live/2kG4AbAcia0?feature=share&t=240... The wildlife reaction there should raise some eyebrows already, the EPA should definitely be concerned about that. It was also a 5 second long test, compared to a full launch, I can see a chance of the whole base blowing up, lol.