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This reminds me of a similar incident with the Apple App Store, there were so many negative reviews that rather than Apple forcing the developer to fix the issu

This reminds me of a similar incident with the Apple App Store, there were so many negative reviews that rather than Apple forcing the developer to fix the issue, they just deleted all the negative reviews. I agree with the author, this makes the entire Valve review system pointless.

ncr100 3y ago
> the entire Valve review system pointless ... also involves what is currently happening now, the Developer is reaching out to Valve to investigate the apparent mistake by the Moderator. The system is still working on it. Question I have is, why does the system allow banning 2500 people so easily? without auditing?
- tomovo 3y ago
  Not banned. Restricted from up- and downvoting for 30 days.
  - ncr100 3y ago
    Oh! Thanks for the correction tomovo.
theGeatZhopa 3y ago
May be it was fixed and then the thousands of negative reviews would be to much of a negative impact of/on a fixed product so thus have been removed?
- Beldin 3y ago
  Basically: "Let's hide history over this egregiously bad thing because it's in the past"... In what universe is that an acceptable reason?
  - brnt 3y ago
    Russkiy mir! (Couldn't resist)
  - theGeatZhopa 3y ago
    In our universe :) It's about the process. Amazon did not incomparable a versioning for the goods they sell. It's also not feasible to have a versioning for goods, as there are old versions still in the selling. So, what solution do you propose for Amazon, the sellers and the producers? Having the bad history visible is not a solution, as that product won't be sold anymore after..
IIAOPSW 3y ago
To play devils advocate, I'm sure the far more common case at Apple when thousands of negative reviews roll in very quickly is that some unscrupulous competitor paid a bot farm to knee cap them. Normally the anomaly detection goes off and the fake reviews are filtered. On very rare occasion, someone somewhere will get a message from a Nigerian prince which they dismiss as spam because it looked just like all those other cases which were in fact spam. oops.
asdfman123 3y ago
I no longer buy Amazon products based on the rating. I buy based on the rating of the rating using Fakespot. Everything is 4.5ish stars, and the worse products have more fake reviews to get there.
- pasc1878 3y ago
  I do use the Amazon ratings. I look at the one star ones. If their complaints look reasonable and consistent then I know it is crap. The only reviews to trust are from consumer reports and which? Who buy things retail and not free from the manufactures and they have been doing this for 60 years. Even then Read the reviews carefully and the user comments.
  - chongli 3y ago
    People use bot farms to kneecap their competitors with fake 1-star reviews, so you can’t trust them either.
    - pasc1878 3y ago
      Yes but you can usually tell if a complaint is reasonable - and I see many less one star than 5 star reviews
- tmikaeld 3y ago
  Feels very dangerous to install extensions that have full access to the contents of every site visited..
  - asdfman123 3y ago
    That’s a good point. I’m extraordinarily lazy about security. Maybe you could make one browser profile to look up products, and your usual one to buy them.

ncr100 3y ago

> the entire Valve review system pointless ... also involves what is currently happening now, the Developer is reaching out to Valve to investigate the apparent mistake by the Moderator. The system is still working on it. Question I have is, why does the system allow banning 2500 people so easily? without auditing?

tomovo 3y ago
Not banned. Restricted from up- and downvoting for 30 days.
- ncr100 3y ago
  Oh! Thanks for the correction tomovo.

theGeatZhopa 3y ago

May be it was fixed and then the thousands of negative reviews would be to much of a negative impact of/on a fixed product so thus have been removed?

Beldin 3y ago
Basically: "Let's hide history over this egregiously bad thing because it's in the past"... In what universe is that an acceptable reason?
- brnt 3y ago
  Russkiy mir! (Couldn't resist)
- theGeatZhopa 3y ago
  In our universe :) It's about the process. Amazon did not incomparable a versioning for the goods they sell. It's also not feasible to have a versioning for goods, as there are old versions still in the selling. So, what solution do you propose for Amazon, the sellers and the producers? Having the bad history visible is not a solution, as that product won't be sold anymore after..

IIAOPSW 3y ago

To play devils advocate, I'm sure the far more common case at Apple when thousands of negative reviews roll in very quickly is that some unscrupulous competitor paid a bot farm to knee cap them. Normally the anomaly detection goes off and the fake reviews are filtered. On very rare occasion, someone somewhere will get a message from a Nigerian prince which they dismiss as spam because it looked just like all those other cases which were in fact spam. oops.

asdfman123 3y ago

I no longer buy Amazon products based on the rating. I buy based on the rating of the rating using Fakespot. Everything is 4.5ish stars, and the worse products have more fake reviews to get there.

pasc1878 3y ago
I do use the Amazon ratings. I look at the one star ones. If their complaints look reasonable and consistent then I know it is crap. The only reviews to trust are from consumer reports and which? Who buy things retail and not free from the manufactures and they have been doing this for 60 years. Even then Read the reviews carefully and the user comments.
- chongli 3y ago
  People use bot farms to kneecap their competitors with fake 1-star reviews, so you can’t trust them either.
  - pasc1878 3y ago
    Yes but you can usually tell if a complaint is reasonable - and I see many less one star than 5 star reviews
tmikaeld 3y ago
Feels very dangerous to install extensions that have full access to the contents of every site visited..
- asdfman123 3y ago
  That’s a good point. I’m extraordinarily lazy about security. Maybe you could make one browser profile to look up products, and your usual one to buy them.