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Cash App founder Bob Lee stabbed to death after argument about suspect's sister
- jeffbee 4y agoSomeone claimed this on Reddit a week ago but nobody took them seriously and the remark was deleted by the mods.
- LastTrain 4y agoWell without any substantiating evidence it should have been removed - how were the mods supposed to know it was a lucky guess?
- shard972 4y ago[dead]
- m4tthumphrey 4y agoInteresting. I imagine they had to remove it - you just wouldn't know if there was any truth to it and could put the guy in the public eye incorrectly.
- gkoberger 4y agoI started the r/sf subreddit 15 years ago (but don't currently moderate it). Yeah, that post was completely unsubstantiated, and was removed by Automod. I re-approved it, although the comment in question does contain misinformation and might have just been a coincidence. (Yeah, I know, the r/SF subreddit is rough... it's always hard to run a subreddit where the only thing that people have in common is proximity. SF is my favorite place in the world, but it has many real problems. The mods consistently try to find a balance where it's not just an anti-SF crime-ridden sub, but also not censored or hiding real problems.)
- NoboruWataya 4y ago> it's always hard to run a subreddit where the only thing that people have in common is proximity. I don't mod any city/country subreddit, but I frequent several, and they are basically all awful. I keep visiting them for the rare gems of useful information, but 99% of the posts are complaints about crime or the cost of living, photos of the same five tourist attractions, or meta posts complaining about the aforementioned.
- andrewinardeer 4y agoThe moderators of /r/melbourne, in the lead up to a state election in which the right-of-centre's main campaigning point was crime reduction outright banned the posting of any crime related news. Make of that what you will. https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/7pmjwx/all_melbourne_crime_posts_to_be_directed_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/7pmjwx/all_melbo...
- monkeydreams 4y agoAs a subscriber to this sub-reddit, the constant spamming of stories relating to people of particular ethnicities committing crimes was annoying. It became a constant drum to summon to action racist trolls and idiots.
- jpgvm 4y agoThat and it was attracting a ton of undesirables to the sub that don't even live in Melbourne. It's been immeasurably better since that rule was introduced. There is plenty of other places for that sort of thing already.
- opportune 4y agoOn one hand censorship is bad, on the other crime in particular is an easy way for non-locals to astroturf or disrupt local communities because they can just grab a news article and argue on the basis of generic talking points. I think it’s absolutely the case that this is regularly happening in many Reddit communities already, I’ve seen it first hand in the San Francisco and Bay Area subreddits. IMO the engagement optimization problem in social media is driving the increasing share of crime discussions online. Yes crime is getting worse in some areas, but I think crime just heavily drives engagement (which news media has known for a long time). With more conservatives going online, we’re seeing a bifurcation of traditional (cancel or callout culture, some kind of injustice) outrage porn - more common in the past when the internet leaned younger and more educated/urban - and now crime-related outrage porn that appeals to the right wing.
- breakingrules 4y ago[dead]
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- jutrewag 4y agoNot sure why it’s in quotations.
- digdigdag 4y agoBecause it's in reference to "honor killings" that still take place in certain cultures.
- bandrami 4y agoFamilial violence against women, unfortunately, happens in all cultures. It gets called "honor killing" when it happens in a few of them.
- bluefirebrand 4y agoCultures where domestic violence is a crime are NOT the same as cultures where domestic violence is encouraged. Cultures that have honor killings are the latter.
- plorkyeran 4y agoNo, it is not socially acceptable (or even expected) to kill family members because they've done something which brings shame to the family in all cultures.
- bandrami 4y agoIt's not "expected" (or "legal") anywhere. That's my point. Family annihilators exist globally and we imagine other societies approve of them.
- lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 4y ago[flagged]
- Bukhmanizer 4y agoThis is one of these cases that seemed to perfectly fit a narrative that likely not many people ( including myself) would have thought to dispute it.
- bugglebeetle 4y ago[flagged]
- Gibbon1 4y agoWell Beloved Tech leader killed by crazy homeless person completely fits into the current moral panic about homeless and seedy people in San Francisco. The moral panic fueled of course because VC money is drying up and office vacancies are increasing.
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- krapp 4y agoUnfortunately, humans are emotional animals hardwired for bias and prejudice, and more often than "rational thinking" means rationalizing our preconceptions.
- bblpeter 4y ago[flagged]
- koofdoof 4y agoThe section about Berkeley having "no record of graduation or attendance" for Nima is interesting. What a mysterious figure.
- bradleyjg 4y agoThis seems to happen semi regularly. Congressman Santos, for example.
- peanuty1 4y agoIn a similar vein, Elizabeth Warren claimed to be Native American although DNA testing showed she had a statistically insignificant amount of Native American DNA.
- notsound 4y agoIs it? I don't think DNA plays into who people elect/hire as much as a college degree. Also, people know which college they went to. People generally don't know what % of their DNA is Norwegian.
- bloqs 4y agoI guess you bounce between employers until you find one who doesnt background check and has a culture of appearances over all else
- jliptzin 4y agoA good filter too if you want to fly under the radar and collect a paycheck without doing much work
- the_mar 4y agoAs a person with a degree from a UK university that got married and changed her last name, never have I ever passed a background check for university education. Couple of companies asked me for a copy of my diploma, I just kindly reminded them that I am old and I moved many countries since graduation
- alephnerd 4y agoI definetly feel dirty after having taken part in discussions around this on HN. Why are very emotional but also non-tech related stories being posted on HN. It's all flamebait (and I've been suckered into contributing to it)
- mistermann 4y agoPracticing one's logic and epistemology in domains other than computing is good practice, and maybe good for the world since these shortcomings are involved in the majority of problems on Earth. Heck, if it was more common maybe a life could have been saved in this case!
- DonHopkins 4y agoNot when your logic and epistemology and bullshit.
- mistermann 4y agoAnd if people lack the ability to desire to practice, they may be stuck in that position indefinitely, which may play some role in why conversations on such subjects are always such low quality compared to those on objective matters. Humans beings are terrible at logic and epistemology on subjective matters, and intelligence in objective domains seems to be often more harmful than helpful, perhaps it gives a misleading sense of competency leading to additional errors.
- jjeaff 4y agoI think one tech founder stabbing another tech founder in the world's tech hub is definitely a tech related story.
- klyrs 4y agoThe original popular theory, which some feel ashamed of, was not as tech-related.
- formvoltron 4y agogoes to show some people are complete nut jobs. Best to go slow with most people until they have proven themselves to be non-deranged. And if they are crazy, then just avoid. I wonder if Bob could have just avoided this guy.
- the_mar 4y agoIt’s not like he invited him over to his house. How much slower can you go than talking on a sidewalk?
- JohnBooty 4y agoThe linked article says that according to camera footage, Bob Lee (apparently willingly?) got into a car with Momeni. Later that night, a surveillance camera recorded Lee and Momeni getting into Momeni's white BMW outside his sister's apartment. Additional footage obtained by police shows the BMW heading to a "dark and secluded area" near downtown San Francisco. The two men are later seen standing together on a sidewalk for a few minutes before Momeni apparently stabs Lee. Momeni then tossed the knife, got back in his car and sped away.
- the_mar 4y agoYeah I know, but it’s not like he drove him to the woods, they drove like a mile down the street. Is it too far fetched to say he would have stabbed him on that other sidewalk if he didn’t get into his car?
- JohnBooty 4y agoI mean, we can't really do more than wildly speculate. Momeni's actions don't really seem coherent or logical. Additional footage obtained by police shows the BMW heading to a "dark and secluded area" near downtown San Francisco. It certainly seems premeditated. So maybe he would have just stabbed him in front of the apartment building no matter what. On the other hand, if he was going to kill Lee regardless, then why take the extra step of going to a second location? It seems like he truly hoped to avoid detection. So maybe he wouldn't have stabbed him in front of the apartment building, where there were plenty of cameras. On the other other hand, that also doesn't make a lot of sense. Even though he didn't kill Lee in front of the apartment building, he.... left an absolutely damning trail of video evidence there, and then wound up being caught on video anyway at the secondary location. And then left the murder weapon at the scene, presumably with his prints on it. In the end, Momeni's actions make just about zero rational sense so... how much useful speculation can we really do here? Zero IMO.
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- dang 4y agoPlease don't take HN threads into gender flamewar hell. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: you've unfortunately been posting unsubstantive/flamebait/swipe comments repeatedly - e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35496316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35496316 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35443531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35443531 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34844698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34844698 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34843974 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34843974 Can you please stop? We have to ban accounts that do this. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and stick to the rules when posting here, we'd appreciate it.
- Whatarethese 4y agoI was led to believe by crazies that it was the skyrocketing homeless population.
- bblpeter 4y agoNo, just that SF is full of crime.
- dang 4y agoCould you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- euiq 4y agoWhat a wild ride! We went from "family man stabbed by crazy homeless person" to drama involving a plastic surgeon's Iranian wife and her overprotective brother.
- dereg 4y agoThe reactions to this are confounding. This is not a ride, this is a tragedy. So what that some people were wrong on the internet? There are children still without a father today.
- pcthrowaway 4y agoRegardless of your feelings about it, this is quite the sensation, in the news headline sense. Tragedy often makes "sensational" news, I think that's all GP was trying to say. I'd be very impressed if you've never read a sensational headline that involves a tragedy and been amazed at how the unfolding story defied your expectations and kept you on the edge of your seat.
- pessimizer 4y agoThis is a bizarre defense. Talking absolute nonsense about the crime isn't going to give the children their father back. ----- edit: imagine citing the suffering of fatherless children as a reason not to criticize people who lied about how their father died. "There's so much suffering in the world today; how will putting me in jail help?"
- dang 4y ago"When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. 'That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3' can be shortened to '1 + 1 is 2, not 3." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- practice9 4y ago> overprotective brother more like crazy
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- jliptzin 4y agoWhat goes through this guy’s head? Did he honestly think he’d get away with it? Kill someone and go to jail the rest of your life because your adult sister might have done drugs?
- victor9000 4y ago"When keeping it real goes wrong" is a timeless classic
- bobobob420 4y agoculture related...don't ask for more info or you will get banned on the internet
- deathanatos 4y agoThis news site has an embedded copy of the complaint: https://www.fox4news.com/news/alleged-bob-lee-killer-drove-victim-to-secluded-area-stabbed-him-with-kitchen-knife https://www.fox4news.com/news/alleged-bob-lee-killer-drove-v...
- clueless 4y agoInteresting that based on the text message from the sister, she knew who the murderer was as soon as the news of the murder came out, but presumably she did not come out to give up her brother. Wonder if she could get into trouble?
- Johnie 4y agoThe police already knew by looking at surveillance cameras. Here is the full complaint: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23777761-momeni-charging-documents https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23777761-momeni-char...
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- pessimizer 4y agoPretty terrible example to use for the lawlessness of SF. Everybody involved is wealthy, and the attack was totally personal. I knew there was a reason why I suddenly stopped hearing about the stabbing; it isn't politically useful for that SF crowd anymore.
- olliej 4y agooh yeah, it was super clear when the hyperventilating was coming solely from one sector of the SF populace, which happens to be the same subset that keeps make questionable claims about pretty much all the SF crime and homelessness issues, while also saying that the only solution is mass incarceration. When it's something like SFGate/the chronicle using the story as a talking point you have to assume that it's just "omg this crime impacted a rich person for a change".
- gotoeleven 4y agoMaybe that whole foods wouldnt have closed if it was just rich guys stabbing each other by the arugula.
- joemazerino 4y agoWeird anecdote but okay? My original comment on the stabbing story did wonder if it was targeted or random. Either way, passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities. The only thing worse than evil men is the indifference of good men.
- WrtCdEvrydy 4y ago> passerby's walking past Lee gasping his last breaths for help is indicative of the civil rot happening in our cities. This happens all the time... wanna see something fun, walk around your city saying "hi" to everyone and see how often you get a "hi" back.
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- mosseater 4y agoI mean, the person who is saying this stands accused of murdering him. I would take everything she says with a grain of salt.
- olliej 4y agoWait, so this isn't actually because of the "explosion" of crime in SF, and is in fact just a completely usual example of one person murdering another person they know? As happens in almost all murders? And that the only difference is it involves a bunch of rich tech people? gasp
- dang 4y agoCan you please not post flamewar comments? It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- ipaddr 4y agoThe explosion of crime is the caused by the city instructing police not to enforce property crimes and others. You can steal, assault, set on fire, spit on and use the bart as a bathroom. From 2019 to 2021 there was a 36% increase in murders. The people who are most affected are immigrant small business store owners. Rich tech people fled SF for places that can hold bigger campuses
- starkparker 4y agoNBC Bay Area posted the court documents: https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23777761/momeni-charging-documents.pdf https://s3.documentcloud.org/documents/23777761/momeni-charg...