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Spanish climber emerges after 500 days in cave
- maskedinvader 4y agoGreat commitment shown by the Athelete, (especially around the no communication whatsoever rule , even when death in family , wow) the article however never goes into the details on the motivations for taking on this challenge in the first place, but good to know science can lean on the experience and learn more about the human mind and the circadian rhythm. It was also surprising to me that the previous record for being trapped underground was those children from Chile and Bolivia stuck after the mine collapse in Chile in 2010.
- cs702 4y agoThe climber, a woman, spent those 500 days alone inside the cave voluntarily, as part of an experiment. It takes a special kind of person to volunteer for that and follow through with it. I don't think I could stay alone in a cave for 100 days and emerge with my sanity intact, forget about 500.
- lm28469 4y agoIt reminded me of Michel Siffre, weird that there are no mentions of him in the article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Siffre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michel_Siffre
- jdmtheNth 4y agoShe's the type of person you want to send to Mars.
- rurban 4y agoMars will be much harder. No chance to survive, hard radiation, rescue would need at least a year.
- kzrdude 4y agoMars has sunlight and a more inspiring mission
- kevin_thibedeau 4y agoSo does Antarctica. She'd die there alone as well.
- qup 4y agoShe'd die in this cave alone! She can still be the kind of person you want to send to Mars.
- rurban 4y agoTrue. When I look at their current training env in Houston, it looks much better than a dark cave, alone. https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/apr/12/nasa-texas-humans-prepare-mars https://www.theguardian.com/science/2023/apr/12/nasa-texas-h...
- mensetmanusman 4y agoWater shields can mitigate the radiation damage.
- elihu 4y agoRadiation on Mars can be resolved in the same way, by living in a cave. I expect the first permanent settlements on Mars will either be in sealed sections of lava tubes or in underground artificial structures.
- Teever 4y agoI used to be irate when I would read these kinds of off the cuff comments about mars missions / colonization but I've come to realize that in 20 years I'll be able to look back and read these with amusement as I watch live streams of people on Mars doing crazy shit.
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- hammyhavoc 4y agoI'd go quite willingly. I'd probably enjoy it.
- qwertox 4y agoReally? The no-sun condition would drive me insane.
- hnlmorg 4y agoSome parts of the world can go without sunlight for months on end (and constant daylight at the opposite time of year). Personally I’ve gone a week without sunlight and rather enjoyed it. Not taking anything away from yourself or others. Just making a point that’s it’s not that unusual for people to live without the sun for extended periods.
- Dudeman112 4y agoYou mean the parts of the world where seasonal affective disorders are a blight on their society? Personally I severely underestimated the effect of large periods of time without sunlight, before going through it myself
- hnlmorg 4y agoI don’t really understand why people have taken such an objection to my comment. It’s factually accurate. I’m not suggesting that SAD isn’t a real thing either. Clearly there’s even a lot of research into it. In fact I have a few friends who suffer from it. But SAD was never my point. the point behind my post was just stating that plenty of people do live without the sun for extended periods and thus this article isn’t an isolated incident. And literally the only reason I made such a point was because the GP seemed surprised that someone might live that way. Edit: By the way, I’d love to see some statistics to back up your “blight” statement. Because there’s plenty of stats that rank Nordic counties highly in happiness and good mental health despite them having longer and darker winter months. Eg https://www.psycom.net/depression-central-html/depression-central-seasonal-html/how-the-happiest-countries-in-the-world-beat-sad https://www.psycom.net/depression-central-html/depression-ce... I don’t dispute cases of SAD would be higher in such countries (I haven’t personally run the figures) but equally I suspect your actual statement isn’t a fair reflection of the real situation either.
- loeg 4y agoIf you can go 7 days you can probably do 500.
- egman_ekki 4y agoYou might want to watch Alone reality show. It can get tougher with time. It’s not easy to be alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alone_(TV_series) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alone_(TV_series)
- odd_perfect_num 4y agoStarving is the main problem they face though.
- bruce511 4y agoGenerally it seems to be three groups of people. Some go early. They're not suitably skilled to get food of they quickly figure out this isn't for them (one guy quit once before the first night.) In later seasons this group is very small. Around the 30-50 day mark the emotional part comes into play. Quite a few quit for emotional reasons. Once the hard-cores are left, then it comes down to food. At that point it becomes a race to see who can out-starve the others, without getting pulled for medical reasons.
- germandiago 4y agoProbably she is saner than us with so many social networks around now. Haha.
- treeman79 4y agoA Russian fled to Siberia, or they had no contact with anyone for decades. The father’s brother was executed in front of him due to Stalins religious persecution. So they were motivated to stay hidden. They could see satellites, overtime, and figured what those were. Understanding that rocket tech had continue to advance. Plastic wrap, however blew their minds. https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/12/russia-recluse-siberia-stalin-agafia-lykova-documentary https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2015/nov/12/russia-recluse...
- sillysaurusx 4y agoI was reading about a Buddhist ritual for self mummification. The final phase involved being voluntarily lowered into the ground in a lotus position until they die. It’s quite amazing what the human mind can do. Especially when you’re crazy. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu
- cplusplusfellow 4y ago> The practitioners of sokushinbutsu did not view this practice as an act of suicide, but rather as a form of further enlightenment.[14] At what point do we consider this a mental illness rather than some higher ascent?
- voakbasda 4y agoWhile I agree this borders on the literally insane, that line of thinking starts down a slippery slope. At what point do we consider any religious beliefs that have deleterious effects on oneself to be mental illness? I still believe in self-determination, even if that determination leads to killing oneself.
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- voakbasda 4y agoAgain, while I agree with this sentiment, I think self-determination should still win the day. It is far too easy to be labeled as mentally ill and be committed to unwanted treatment. That has been tried in the past, and it never ends well. If someone is mentally ill and refuses treatment, that needs to be respected, up to the point that their beliefs begin to cause harm to others. Of course, that conclusion begs further questions. Should unwelcome proselytizing be considered an attempt to do harm? Should it be permissible to indoctrinate children into religion? These are not easy questions to answer without grossly infringing some individuals' rights to free speech and religion.
- dhosek 4y agoI have to admit that to me, this actually sounds quite nice. She had books, fresh food and clean clothes were sent down to her. I would totally do this.
- oh_sigh 4y agoDid she do it as part of an experiment, or did she decide to do it, and then they made an experiment out of it?
- aksss 4y agoHad he an eagle and a snake as companions?
- dmckeon 4y agoSimilar previous research: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefania_Follini https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stefania_Follini spent 130 days underground, isolated from external clues about time and circadian rhythms. Her sleep cycle lengthened a lot.
- joshuahedlund 4y agoThanks for sharing, I had not heard of that - that has fascinating implications for humans inhabiting planets with different rotation periods! (I'm surprised I haven't seen that explored in more sci-fi)
- jgilias 4y agoSuper interesting, thanks for sharing! The 20/10 wake/sleep cycle sounds close to how I might function if it wasn’t for daylight cycles and social obligations. Actually, mostly the latter.
- f_allwein 4y agoHave you tried this? https://xkcd.com/320/ https://xkcd.com/320/
- elihu 4y agoI tried that once over Christmas break in high school. I like the idea of it, but the mouse-over text seems like a fairly accurate representation of my actual experience.
- jgilias 4y agoI can’t, there’s some short people living in my house that depend on me waking up before them to wake them up and bring to places. But I’ve always been curious about people doing non-standard sleep things, have you tried it? Can you share some experiences?
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- skilled 4y agoIt looks impressive at first glance, but it's really not that impressive. It sounds like everything had been taken care of for her, which simply means the person was "crazy" enough to commit herself to an experience that a lot of people either wouldn't want to do, or didn't have the time to do. The article does not mention it, but I am sure this person has her life structured in a way where she was able to (financial and responsibility wise) do this without a second thought because "being quiet" is also part of her personality. Not to discount her record or anything, but it's nothing more than a record. --- I don't mind the downvotes btw, but let me just point out that Yogis live in caves for 30 years at a time, and good luck earning their trust to let some scientists monitor real changes in the mind. And these Yogis do so without any assistance from the external world. That sounds a bit more impressive to me.
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- steve_adams_86 4y agoWhat is impressive?
- skilled 4y agoSee edit.
- alfor 4y agoThat’s what I thought too, many monks and nuns did way more as religious devotion.
- vlunkr 4y agoWas the point to impress, or to be a research subject?
- skilled 4y agoBut was it really to be a research subject? My guess is that no, it was not. And I am confident in that guess because I understand people and people's behavior. And if you read the article, there is no mention of any conclusive research or any insight at all. But I guess it must have been _exactly_ 500 days for her to be in that cave for the scientists to finally start drawing some conclusions.
- sam36 4y agoI think the key here is "voluntarily". Everyone is built different, I think I would have done good in a similar situation. I'm already an introvert, but having kids, a wife and bills to pay sometimes just gets overwhelming. I have a friend that has been in and out of jail for the last 10 years or so. We talk a few times a year (at my expense) and I hate to admit I sometimes get jealous. Every time he gets out, he goes right back to his old self: smoking, drugging, and missing parole meetings until finally a warrant is issued. I would think I would emerge from a jail cell full of newly gained wisdom. I'd reenter the world a master plumber, HVAC tech, CPA, and maybe even psychologist. Heck might even have some wonderful startup ideas. But in the current grind of things, I feel I have no room for self improvement or learning.
- gspencley 4y ago> I'm already an introvert, but having kids, a wife and bills to pay sometimes just gets overwhelming. It took me years to become self-aware enough to understand who and what I am. I love my daughters to death, now grown up, but I wish I could have been older and wiser when we had them so I could have done a much better job raising them. Living in a small house with 3 other people, two of them noise-making children, on top of working from home (I was self-employed for 15 years) was very difficult for all of us and nearly killed me (literally). Had I understood why noise bothered me so much, why I needed time and space to myself, and why my anger issues were likely autistic meltdowns I think we could have made things work so much better and found a way to give our daughters a much happier and less stressful childhood. This is one of the great things about the Internet. I was able to discover what introversion is, what high-functioning autism/aspergers is (no, I've never been diagnosed but even my mother tells me that it would explain my entire childhood), that other people go through this too and how to have these types of conversations with the people closest to you. I'm very lucky to have a wife as patient and understanding as I do. We were high-school sweethearts and she went through the learning and discovery process with me. I can't help you with how to make the time for self improvement and learning, but do know that it's not just you.
- yrral 4y agoAny preliminary data about her sleep schedule? I was hoping the article would say something about that.
- vincnetas 4y agoPitty that there are no scientific resuts presented in article only random personal details and no insights. i had hoped for more substantian information after 500 days.
- valarauko 4y agoShe's had no human contact for 500 days, so no samples or examinations. That process starts now.
- blobbers 4y agoI suspect they were actively monitoring blood samples etc.
- valarauko 4y agoI've looked through a couple of articles, and none mention any samples collected while she was in the cave. She'd have to draw the samples herself, and at regular intervals at that. It seems she had no means of orienting herself with time, or know how many days had passed since the last sample draw, if any. In theory the support staff could just add the sample kits once a month, for example, but I suppose the presence of the kit would be a time cue as well.
- tectec 4y agoIf it’s anything like the Mars 1000 trip by Reid Stowe then the science thing might be more for publicity than for actual usable science.
- tough 4y agoShe did take a 8 day break from the cave (which she spent on a tent above the cave without human contact but breaking the no-sunlight rule) because her wifi network which was in use for the security cameras/footage broke and the IT guys have to come and fix it around day 298. This will probably make it not a record previously held by an Ucranian on 465 day mark but still very impressive Also there will be a documentary coming out from her team
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- 11235813213455 4y agoIn all seriousness, isn't https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natascha_Kampusch qualifying for the record?
- valarauko 4y agoWhich record? It looks like she had contact and interaction with her captor every single day.
- qwertox 4y agoConsidering the context, no.
- capableweb 4y agoSeems the "Captivity" sections goes into more depth about why she probably doesn't hold the record: > For the first six months of her captivity, Kampusch was not allowed to leave the chamber at any time, [...] Afterward, she spent increasing amounts of time upstairs in the rest of the house, > In later years, she was seen outside in the garden alone Seems she wasn't underground for the entire duration.
- setgree 4y agoI wish I had not clicked this link
- legohead 4y agoLots of mentions of studies by various groups, but the first one that came to mind to me was NASA or other space agencies. If we want to travel to Mars, and beyond, how will isolation affect us? Granted, you may have crewmates on a space flight, but it's still good knowledge to know the capabilities of a single individual.
- elliekelly 4y agoI almost think having crew mates in a small confined space for years on end would be worse than the isolation of being alone. Maybe the first mission to Mars should just be one astronaut and their dogs.
- outside1234 4y agoJust crazy mental fortitude. I wouldn't make it three days in there.
- Asparagirl 4y agoSome of the previous recordholders were at least 38 Ukrainian Jews, including three families (Stermer, Dodyk, and Wexler) and some very young children, who survived the Holocaust by hiding in the Ozerna caves ("Priest's Grotto") in Ternopil oblast, western Ukraine, for 344 days. Most of the survivors moved to the US after the war. The story was only fairly recently recorded and turned into a documentary film, "No Place on Earth". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Place_on_Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Place_on_Earth https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest%27s_Grotto https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Priest%27s_Grotto
- hammyhavoc 4y agoWow, great recommendation on the doc. Will check that out.
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- karaterobot 4y agoThe cave was infested by flies at one point. That'd be my cue to leave — imagine just being swarmed by flies in the dark, with nowhere to go, nothing else to think about — but good on her I guess.
- thatwasunusual 4y agoTo be fair, the cave was infested by a human for 500 days.
- gspencley 4y agoI haven't watched any of her videos but it might not have been quite that bad. She would have had a camp set up, if not multiple. It really depends how deep the cave is. If it's too deep for one person to carry all the supplies needed then multiple base camps are set up along the way to serve, among other things, as supply stations. The article didn't speak to this but I assume she was provided with food at the adjacent base camp because how else did she get food if she had no human contact and never left the cave? So it's safe to assume that at her personal camp she had a tent and other provisions. Flies can get into the tent, of course, but it would keep most of them out. I think the worst part would be feeling "trapped" inside of the tent while waiting out the infestation.
- tough 4y agoShe had no tent on the cave. She said she almost left when flies put larvae on her hair and she woke up basically surrounded to flys. Honestly the lady is a professional sports woman, and she did seem a bit off when coming out and talking to the reporters, like nobody spends 2y solo and be like yeah im fine
- pvaldes 4y agoChironomids probably. They swarm and have short lives of days or hours, don't eat and are tiny and harmless, so probably more a welcomed change to the numbing routine than real nuissance.
- sandworm101 4y agoI cannot believe this is a record. Throughout history there have been countless religiously-motivated persons who have lived isolated existences, many in caves. Surely some monk somewhere lived below ground for more than two years at a go.
- mach1ne 4y agoBut there weren’t Guinness judges around for that.
- thatwasunusual 4y agoIf a record falls, and no one is around...
- sandworm101 4y agoNor the credit cards necessary to put deposits down prior to the record attempt. "To enable us to continue to be a part of thousands of personal achievement journeys, we can only provide access to use services such as an official adjudicator through our fee-based Consultancy service." https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/faqs https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/records/faqs
- drstewart 4y agoSo? Is this meant to be some kind of gotcha? My guess is that both your old life as an attorney and current life as a IT/IP consultant involve some kind of "fee-based Consultancy services"
- staringback 4y agoGuinness world records is a publicity/marketing company, not a record keeping company.
- mxmilkiib 4y agohttps://youtu.be/0twDETh6QaI https://youtu.be/0twDETh6QaI had a great side thread on that topic
- whitepaint 4y agoHow did she get food?
- valarauko 4y agoShe had a support team above ground monitoring her, and would send her supplies and remove waste.
- ahmedfromtunis 4y agoThis is offtopic. To read the article I had to wait for the Play Store install an "instant app" that looks exactly like the website. But when I tried to watch the video embedded, it told me that I needed to install the "full" app. Why go through all of this when a good ol' website would've been more than enough?
- rascul 4y agoI tried in both Firefox and Chrome on my Android phone. I didn't get prompted to install an app, Play Store didn't come up, I could read the article and play the videos fine in the browser. I wonder if maybe I disabled something that caused the behavior you saw.
- ahmedfromtunis 4y agoI'm using Chrome. And it didn't prompt me for anything. I clicked on the link, the page was open in Chrome for a split second before a new screen labelled Play Store took over. Of course I could've just cancelled it during the 10 seconds or so it took install this "instant app" but I was curious about this new thing. I genuinely expected and wanted to test what I assumed would be an improved experience. I was wrong.
- thatguy0900 4y agoI've never used them. Are these apps ever actually a notably better experience? I always just assume it makes them more money so I've always backed out of those pages.
- cubefox 4y agoSame for me, Android on a tablet.
- loeg 4y agoOnly 60 books in a year and a half? Sheesh.
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- yazzku 4y agoNot to undermine this, but: > with no contact with the outside world > Flamini was monitored by a group of psychologists, researchers, speleologists — specialists in the study of caves — and physical trainers who watched her every move and monitored her physical and mental well-being. The knowledge that somebody is out there watching you changes the whole thing completely. What exactly was this study supposed to find?
- albert_e 4y agoOff topic On mobile (android, chrome) the linked news site forces "full screen" and somehow prevents the native browser address bar and options menu and native share icon etc from appearing. Even scrolling up or down doesn't show browser controls like it does on other sites. Surprised this behaviour is possible and allowed by a website (full screen take over)
- aembleton 4y agoWorks mostly fine on Firefox with ubo. Mostly fine because there is still a cookie pop-up
- pshushereba 4y agoYour move, Aaron Rodgers.
- TriNetra 4y agoA sublime experience extracted from [0] by a monk, living for 100 days in complete solitude doing sadhana (meditative practice) in a makeshift hut on icy Himalayan mountain/forest (2011), attaining realization during this final phase of his sadhana: > I had to learn how to absorb the powerful energies flowing through me. Thus, I decided to enter strict solitude for a hundred days. I needed this time to absorb the vision. > I informed Pradeep about my plan and his meticulous management made it possible. I changed my routine and began meditating from 7 p.m. until 4 a.m. If, once or twice a month, the villagers passed this way for hay, Pradeep would tell them to keep absolutely quiet. They maintained both distance and silence. During this period, I neither met nor saw anyone. Pradeep would wake up at 1 a.m., take a bath, say his prayers and prepare my meal before 4 a.m. He would come to the little temple near my hut, ring a bell and hide behind the temple wall so that we did not see each other. I would then step out and go to his hut for my meal. Eating would take me nearly an hour because it was nothing short of a ritual for me. It was an opportunity to express my gratitude to Mother Nature, to the farmers who produced the grain and to Pradeep who cooked it. The digestive fire in the stomach is called vaishvanara. I would offer every bite to this fire, akin to the fire offering in a yajna. I still do, for that matter. > While I was gone, Pradeep would wait for me quietly or refill the water bucket in my hut. He’d also fix the tarpaulin on the roof in case a storm had blown it about at night. If I needed to communicate something, I wrote a note and left it in his hut. > Towards the end of March, I felt a shooting pain near my kidney. I was startled because I had already perfected my posture and wasn’t expecting any more pains. I’d already been through excruciating knee pains, severe backaches, a tired body and aching arms and shoulders. What was this new pain? The middle plank of my bed had completely sunk, making it an uneven and unsuitable surface to sit on; perhaps my posture was the cause of the pain. I placed my pillow on the plank but this didn’t help. I took an hour out of my sleep time and did some yoga asanas to stretch my body; this alleviated the pain just a little. It was becoming impossible for me to sit still for hours at a time, which is what I needed to do. I wasn’t going to give up on my 150-day meditation though; I had to get rid of this pain. Reflecting on the pain, it occurred to me that I hadn’t seen the sun for nearly two-and- a-half months. I took my morning meals when it was still dark. I used to step out occasionally during the day, but I hadn’t been out at all in the sunlight for nearly ten weeks now. I had been living in an extremely cold hut and didn’t use a fire to warm myself. The next day, instead of yoga, I spread a mat and sat outside with my back towards the sun. That night the pain subsided to a large extent. I repeated the process for the next few days and the pain disappeared. I would never know what really caused it, but sitting in the sun relieved it. > Enjoying the sweetness of solitude, diving deep into the ocean of a still mind, I passed my days in deep meditation and crystal-clear awareness. I was acutely aware of everything around me: the sounds of hornets and wasps, a spider crawling on the wall, every drop of rain that fell. Any thought that emerged in my mind would not go unnoticed. This was truly an extraordinary level of awareness. My intuitive faculties entered a new dimension. No matter what question I thought of, an inner voice gave me the answer. One day, during meditation, the same inner voice instructed me to visit Kamakhya temple. I would get sarvoch tantric diksha, the highest tantric initiation there, it said. I was reminded of Bhairavi Ma who had foretold this in Badrinath. I decided to visit Kamakhya after the completion of my sadhana. But, right now, I simply lived in the present moment. I was the a boat sailing in an ocean of bliss; actually, I was the ocean of bliss itself. > The silence within me was beyond description. Just as you churn milk and it turns into butter, and that butter can never become milk again, my mind had reached an irreversible state of peace and joy. I felt that to remain unaffected, no matter what the circumstances, to be unmoved by someone’s birth, death, acceptance, rejection, praise or criticism—this sense of dispassion and detachment was arising from within me, without any effort. I opened my notepad and scribbled in it: ‘Self-realization is not an instantaneous act. We may have an aha moment but it is mindfulness that allows us to navigate the world with the utmost awareness of our verbal, mental and physical actions. It is one thing to grasp that we are not just the body, but it is another thing altogether not to react when someone hurts us. We may recognize that anger destroys our peace of mind, but to remain calm, no matter how strong the provocation—that is real realization. Why did it take the Buddha six years to achieve liberation? If it was an instantaneous thing, he could have had it in the first month. It took Mahavira ten years and Ramakrishna Paramahamsa twelve years. The experiences, lessons, insights add up, finally bringing one to the point of realization. Water boils at 100 degrees Celsius but it takes a little while to get to that temperature. The flame that heats the water already holds the potential to burn as powerfully as the sun, but it is the water that needs to come to a boil. The soul or consciousness is ever pure; it is the conscious mind that needs to reach boiling point, while the subconscious has to imbibe the insights and the learning. 0: https://www.amazon.com/If-Truth-Be-Told-A-Monks-Memoir-Om-Swami/dp/B00PFWH4T8 https://www.amazon.com/If-Truth-Be-Told-A-Monks-Memoir-Om-Sw...
- edpichler 4y agoIt was voluntarily. Incredible, of course, but the title is a bit misleading.
- teleforce 4y agoThe myth that any ancient human or mammal did live permanently inside caves need to be stopped because it's just not feasible. People throughout history just use caves as temporary shelter and dwellings enroute to a permanent destination. EDIT: Bat is an exception to this but bat is the only mammal that fly
- louison11 4y agoI am REALLY curious about any shift in her view of reality, specifically any potential emergence of spiritual views, or the likes. Many ancient traditions have forms of "vision questing" involving usually a few days fasting in solitude. And those tend to provide the "questers" with profound insights (without any substance, only the interruption of day-to-day patterns). Similar with 10-day meditation retreats. Sadly the article doesn't touch on this - but that'd be my first interest knowing she's spent 500 days down there.
- new_here 4y agoWhere do I sign up?
- lofaszvanitt 4y agoWas there a Burger King nearby, and how many times did she leave unnoticed?
- pvaldes 4y agoWe have a notable and beautiful spring this year. Even women sprout from the soil.
- mxmilkiib 4y agoWhat are with these three asterisk comments?
- mwattsun 4y agoMost of my submarine buddies described living on a submarine underwater for months at a time as a nightmare or, at best, a terrible inconvenience, but my experience was exactly like this Spanish cave dweller's. Of course, it's helps that I'm a reader like them.
- Kiro 4y agoWhat's going on with this website? When I click the link I end up in an app but I have no such app installed on my phone (Android). I've never seen this before. It's not AMP and there's no URL bar. It also transitions in a way that normally only happens when you go from the browser to an app.
- cubefox 4y agoIt's a so-called instant app. Basically a website in Form of an app.
- relacxt 4y agoIf I came out and heard the news that she missed out on I think I would have just gone back to the cave
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- tgtweak 4y ago> with no contact with the outside world > in an experiment closely monitored by scientists well, which is it... can you not contact them if they're monitoring you on IP cameras constantly?
- thelittleone 4y agoI think the Kogi got this beat or yogic practice of Gupta Sadhana. "The Kogi people are an indigenous tribe living in the Sierra Nevada de Santa Marta mountains in northern Colombia. The Kogi have a strong spiritual connection with their environment and practice a number of rituals and ceremonies. One such ceremony is the initiation of young boys into adulthood, which involves a period of seclusion in a cave. The initiation process varies in length, but it can last anywhere from several months to around nine years, depending on the specific role the boy is being prepared for in the community. During this time, the boys receive spiritual teachings and learn about the history, traditions, and values of the Kogi people. The initiation process is an important aspect of the Kogi culture, as it helps maintain the tribe's connection to their ancestral beliefs and practices."
- rippercushions 4y ago> During this time, the boys receive spiritual teachings and learn about the history, traditions, and values of the Kogi people. Sounds like they live in a cave, but are not alone?
- jkubicek 4y ago> Beatriz Flamini... said by her support team to have broken a world record for the longest time spent in a cave in an experiment closely monitored by scientists seeking to learn more about the capacities of the human mind and circadian rhythms. I wonder what the previous record for longest time spent in a cave in an experiment closely monitored by scientists seeking to learn more about the capacities of the human mind and circadian rhythms was?
- ape4 4y agoWhat about the prehistoric CAVE men?! They might have spent more time in a cave.
- mkl 4y agoNot at all. Few prehistoric people lived in caves, and those that did, most likely temporarily, left frequently to get food and other supplies. Caves preserve things for later people (now archaeologists and palaeontologists) to find, so long ago ignorant people jumped to conclusions. Same with "cave bears", "cave lions", etc.
- titzer 4y agoNot to take away from her accomplishment, but the psychological context of being watched 24/7 is different than being alone. Very different.
- peterbonney 4y agoReminds me of this incredible New Yorker article about illegal mining in abandoned South African gold mines: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/the-dystopian-underworld-of-south-africas-illegal-gold-mines https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/02/27/the-dystopian-...