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Joe Rogan Issues Warning After AI-Generated Version of His Podcast Surfaces
- Zealotux 3y agoHere's the "podcast": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meu0CoYv3z8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meu0CoYv3z8, incredible.
- rideontime 3y agoI prefer this one, personally. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhekF0ZF1Pk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhekF0ZF1Pk
- mock-possum 3y agoLove that one, this bionicle discussion one is top tier as well: https://youtu.be/_eybyDddRk8 https://youtu.be/_eybyDddRk8
- deckard1 3y agoThat's amazing. The writing reminds me of Aqua Teen Hunger Force
- overthrow 3y agoThat is really well done. The only thing that gives it away (to my ears at least) is it's missing the trademark stutter/repeating words. (Not hating on Rogan, just listen to any real clip and you'll see what I mean, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvswhogSiY0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvswhogSiY0) EDIT: I listened longer and the AI actually is throwing in some "uhh"s and pauses. They don't sound completely naturally but it's still really impressive
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- avrionov 3y agoHere is another one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbxE_qODnKA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbxE_qODnKA
- nvrmnd 3y agoI would like a print of Altman's t-shirt.
- 1970-01-01 3y agoIt mimics everything incredibly well, except for curiosity ("?") and soul ("!"). Very much like print, soulless speech patterns persist through the entire interview, as if they were reading a screenplay. The hesitations and pauses are still there, but not the soul. So either AI translates English punctuation poorly, or they weren't picked-up enough times to mimic themselves into this interview. Example: "Abolutely, Joe!" is very flat and non-emotional. It is uttered as a louder sentence. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meu0CoYv3z8&t=460s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=meu0CoYv3z8&t=460s
- muyuu 3y agoit was actually pretty good at adding some emotion here and there i wonder if they have some extra input/coding to mark for inflections, etc maybe they just tried a bunch of times and picked the best fit for the context
- kvandy 3y agoTrain by day!
- maCDzP 3y agoI listened and I think it’s really good. I wonder how much effort went in to polishing the sound. Or did they just feed a script into some voice generator?
- Oarch 3y agoThe dialogue is excellent but the intonation doesn't sound quite right. The voice is a bit high as if he's tense or something.
- rcarr 3y agoThis is nuts, it even gets the plosive sounds on the mic right.
- isoprophlex 3y agoFantastic execution. The generating dialogue I understand; how did they get the voices so incredibly lifelike?! Where do I start when I want text to speech like this?!
- Buttons840 3y agoI never would have guessed computers writing code would come before generating convincing voices.
- thephyber 3y agoGenetic programming has been around for decades. GPT/LLM based coding is not the only type.
- taneq 3y agoMoravec's Paradox at it again! The thing that I find really interesting is that a few years ago, generating a realistic facsimile of someone's voice was "something a computer could never do" but now I find LLMs' ability to generate believable dialogue more impressive than the (very good) text-to-speech conversion.
- nickthegreek 3y agohttps://beta.elevenlabs.io/voice-lab https://beta.elevenlabs.io/voice-lab
- uff1234 3y agoI don't know
- survirtual 3y agoThere are other tts projects that run faster but if you want quality: https://github.com/neonbjb/tortoise-tts https://github.com/neonbjb/tortoise-tts Follow the instructions for adding a new voice. Once your voices are added, have ChatGPT generate a conversation between the voices. It isn’t difficult at that point to generate a video displaying the current speaker synced with the audio.
- suddenclarity 3y agoIt sounded weird at times, almost like someone reading a script with a higher pitch than his normal voice. But the technology is amazing and I would most likely be fooled by a short clip if the content wasn't completely out of place from him.
- causi 3y agoPersonally I prefer AI Joe Rogan discussing Bionicle with AI Jordan Peterson. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVX1PB19TYE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVX1PB19TYE
- klik99 3y agoChatGPT always answers questions like: Prompt: Can you tell me about <description of thing> ChatGPT: Sure, let me tell you <slightly rephrased description of thing> It's pretty funny to hear that in Sam Altmans voice, along with umms There's a growing number of companies working on voice - we used one recently on a game, it's not quite ready for main characters (yet!) but for background characters and rapid prototyping on main characters (that we plan on rerecording for the final assets) it's already there. It's so close, but none of them quite capture inflection, it's the stable diffusion fingers of audio AI
- dmix 3y agoRogan is always the first one to be used as input/demo for this stuff. I have a feeling it's going to remain the trend for every new AI tool.
- UnpossibleJim 3y agoThere's just so much data available, I don't see how it couldn't be the prevailing trend.
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- 2-718-281-828 3y agomeme - not trend
- polishdude20 3y agoI think what gives it away is when answering questions, chat GPT first repeats the question. For example the question is: "If you were to be found in a small blue room with your favorite food, what would you do?". The answer would start with: "if I were found in a small blue room with my favorite food I would..." Normal people don't usually talk like that.
- evan_ 3y agoTelevision presenters and interview subjects are coached to answer questions like that, repeating the question before answering it- I wonder if that's where ChatGPT picked up that particular habit.
- actionablefiber 3y agoIt seems sensible to me, as a defense against someone taking your answer out of context and splicing it with a different question to make you look bad.
- InitialLastName 3y agoIt also helps editors later be more flexible with the format... if someone wants to reuse the insight you taped in a new medium (say, they want to put it in a documentary) they might want to have you saying the whole thing rather than to provide the context of "there is also an interviewer". The Song Exploder podcast does this very well; each episode is recorded as an interview between the host and the artist, but because the artist is answering the questions with a restatement of the question, they can edit it so that it just sounds like the artist talking through their project (you almost never hear the host ask a question).
- crazygringo 3y agoComedians too, though for a different reason -- gives them time to think of a funny response.
- aksss 3y agoPageant and spelling bee contestants aside..
- NalNezumi 3y agoPersonally I love this new AI voice content booms. My favorite is the AI presidents discussing/playing/rating stuff [1], Attenborough narrating warhammer [2]. While slightly silly, I think in future people might start to take internet way less serious when you can literally make things up. Which I think is a good trend. People getting depressed or so consumed by the internet culture that they loose all interest in the real world have been a trend I've disliked. We might be just going back to the time of early, anonymous internet forums time where most people used to it just didn't take it too seriously, and a lot of communities were closed /invite only. [1] https://youtu.be/IkaAZE_UGMo https://youtu.be/IkaAZE_UGMo https://youtu.be/q6ra0KDgVbg https://youtu.be/q6ra0KDgVbg https://youtu.be/iAq-yg72GWw https://youtu.be/iAq-yg72GWw [2] https://youtu.be/X6RCLJ4pDaw https://youtu.be/X6RCLJ4pDaw
- boredemployee 3y ago>> We might be just going back to the time of early, anonymous internet forums time where most people used to it just didn't take it too seriously Man I was just thinking about it lastnite. Back in the day we were (at some level) respectful to each other in places like IRC and forums, even tho nobody knew each other. And when some idiot started to f- around you had IRCOps and moderators, so it was somewhat easier and straight forward to maintain. That is something that I really miss, the old IRC days. Today people show their faces, you sometimes know who they are, but they are at times completely disrespectful and you have no moderation at all.
- sharemywin 3y agothen they get elected and your like...whaaat?
- majormajor 3y agoI don't think these things follow from each other. Smaller-scale, pre-social-media forums and such in many ways took things more seriously, not less. The poster-to-moderator ratio was WAY lower than somewhere like Facebook or Twitter, and things got handled faster. Internet content was generally not taken too seriously, but internet communities were still serious, and they had better tools for enforcement than they do if they live inside of Twitter. In a world where someone could spin up a bunch of generative AI bots and target them at a forum to screw with people (whether commercial spam or trolling or just subtle disinformation) that seems a lot harder to maintain.
- neom 3y agoAfter listening to this, I feel annoyed at the folks in the "AI clones teen girl’s voice in $1M kidnapping scam: ‘I’ve got your daughter’" thread that was on the front page yesterday saying "ppfftt bullshit you'd need to be an idiot to fall for an AI voice" - Guess I'm an idiot. Like it or not, generative media is getting better and better by the day.
- Wojtkie 3y agoYeah, the voice-gen software has been pretty great lately. The annoyance at folks who wanna ignore that is warranted. Their responses come off very flippant and contrarian.
- ramraj07 3y agoat this point this is now a great metric to measure originality by - if people can’t distinguish the real you from generative AI you it just means you’ve fallen into a Rut or never had much nee to say anyway.
- rondini 3y agoHow does that make any sense when AI can be made to say literally anything?
- artificial 3y agoThis is also how swatting works: https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7z8be/torswats-computer-generated-ai-voice-swatting https://www.vice.com/en/article/k7z8be/torswats-computer-gen...
- CSMastermind 3y agoI don't understand how the phone systems allow for anonymous phone calls. Is it because of virtual telephone services? It feels like they should be required by law to follow KYC regulations like banks do.
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- cleanchit 3y agoBiggest appeal of his podcast is that he's a brilliant standup comedian, and he uses that in his podcasts. That's completely missing from this copy.
- sin7 3y agoSir, you have made my day. This is the funniest thing related to Joe Rogan. Thank you.
- rcarr 3y agoThe ironic thing about this is that it reminds me of how the podcast used to be a few years before Spotify, before it got bogged down in politics and Joe asked more interesting questions and it was just generally funner. I just listened to this for 20 odd minutes which is probably longer than I've listened to the actual podcast in the last month or two.
- game_the0ry 3y agoThere is a need for a solution to this problem -- something like public / private key encryption or "more advanced social security" number to verify authenticity of a source via digital signature. There is a business to be made there.
- tovej 3y agoYou mean like China's social credit system? Sounds dystopian
- game_the0ry 3y agoIdeally not centralized, and only for signing creative digital content made for distribution. Not for signing (and potential blocking/tracking) financial transactions.
- all2 3y agoPower has a tendency to coagulate.
- pixl97 3y agoThere are few to no paths to a non-dystopian outcome currently.
- csw-001 3y ago> There are few to no paths to a non-dystopian outcome currently. Said Caveman 1 to Caveman 2 shortly after the discovery of fire. ;-)
- pixl97 3y agoNot exactly sure what you're getting at, but the idea that we can some kind of privacy when the capability to develop near omniscient technology exists seems like a great path for dystopia.
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- vannevar 3y agoI think we'll see media personalities move to a public key encryption model, where authentic streams are encrypted in some manner with a private key to verify their origin.
- nanidin 3y agoI don’t doubt it, but I do doubt that the majority of the public will make an effort to verify signatures before consuming media. I think the public will rely on trusted channels - like the personality’s .com or official YouTube channel.
- vannevar 3y agoYeah, I think it would have to be handled in the player. Similar to https, it would warn you if the stream isn't verifiable with a known key. You'll still be able to consumer unencrypted streams, or streams whose key isn't from a recognized authority. but you'll get a warning.
- AlbertCory 3y agoBased on my experience with Substack posts with ChatGPT's rewriting layoff notices in various voices, including Trump's: The novelty of this idea has worn off. The first post has almost 20x the views of the second. I don't think Rogan has anything to worry about.
- siliconc0w 3y agoI think we're going to need some sort of 'real human' proof system where when you record any audio or video you publish the media hash, n-second segment hashes, and signed participants to a ledger/blockchain. You could also build a tamper-proof device that you place in frame that uses a combination of a hard to get-at private hardware key and the local ambiance to produce a signature you encode a as a subtle signal that can be later be used to authenticate the video.
- jmkni 3y agoThis sounds like chaos
- birdyrooster 3y agoAlso other signals like gps, ambient radio waves, gyroscopic information, etc. whoever simulates reality better wins.
- jononor 3y agoMaybe that is how the Matrix started...
- pixl97 3y agoOh no, your hardware key was destroyed in a fire, you don't exist any more.
- all2 3y agoThere will be those who exist within the system, and those who live in the shadows of the system. And occasionally, when the system fails, people will fall into the shadows. Depending on how incorruptible the system thinks it is, it will be impossible to climb into the light once more.
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- httpz 3y agoI think we now have the technology to build the talking portraits we saw in Harry Potter. Voice, facial movements, dialogs that matches the character can all be generated by AI now. I'm just not sure if this can be done realtime yet to interact with another person. In the future, you may be able to have a conversation with a portrait of your parents even after they pass away. (So collect as much training data now?)
- bogwog 3y agoThat would be a pretty awesome installation at Universal Studios. But I guess making it not say offensive things might be a problem… or not, depending on the character.
- nickthegreek 3y agothe current workflow I've seen use is midjourney for the portrait creation, elevenlabs to do the voice and D-ID to animate the picture to the voice. Apparently the entire process can take under 15mins.
- breakpointalpha 3y agoAs weird as it sounds I had this exact thought. I signed my parents up for Storyworth, which emails them once a week writing prompts about their life. I'm still weighing the ethical implications of using the entire dataset 20 years from now to generate a facsimile. Partly I just feel sad about the future, forever chasing digital ghosts of our past loved ones...
- sec400 3y agoYou're telling me this was fake all along? https://twitter.com/TallBart/status/1643108942627864577 https://twitter.com/TallBart/status/1643108942627864577
- concerned_ 3y agoThe old boys club which has been outsourcing programmer for 20 years to India figured out that they can just fake it since nobody has complained yet. And before software engineers unionize they came up with some snake oil to put us in our place, maybe try to force us back into offices, or just eliminate us. Nobody can deny that Sam Altman and Bill Gates have been trying to "reduce costs" for a long time. The startups with devs in portugal, costa rica, Mexico, Spain, the Ukraine, India, China, anyplace where they can pay 5 dollars for a day's work. When Bill gates said he would pay programmers 7 dollars an hour, we were all offended, we didn't realize that he was already doing it and that would be a significant raise in pay.
- carlio 3y agoThe AI Joe Rogan might deny it. Also waffles are space aliens and the moon is flat.
- fredoliveira 3y ago> The startups with devs in portugal, costa rica, Mexico, Spain, the Ukraine, India, China, anyplace where they can pay 5 dollars for a day's work. I can speak to Portugal and Spain at least, and there's no chance you could ever get people in either of those to work for you at $5/day. You'd be laughed out of the room/conference call. And I'm pretty sure that's true for the rest of the list too.
- concerned_ 3y agoNot now because they leveled up
- yazzku 3y agoDo you think he can place those countries on a map?
- alexb_ 3y agoThis isn't a new issue. Image and likeness laws exist for a reason. A more clear example on how this could be harmful, and how we are already equipped to deal with this - I saw an ad for a supplement that had a convincing AI Joe Rogan "talking about it on his podcast" and how it's the greatest thing that everyone needs to buy. This is illegal currently, and it's not any different from hiring a Joe Rogan impersonator to talk in a similar looking podcast set to trick people. It's why we have systems to enforce ownership over trademarks, copyrights, and your own image.
- chasd00 3y agoI bet the lawyers are so happy about generative AI they can hardly count.
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- slenk 3y agoSo he only likes misinformation if its actually the real him.
- tinglymintyfrsh 3y agozerohedge exists in the same basket of deplorable conspiracy wingnuts. Big grain of salt and they're not a reliable source.
- Havoc 3y agoThe one thing that I want from all this AI voice stuff is better selection of voice for the siris and alexas out there. i.e. Ability to clone some's voice onto an assistant Some voices are just more pleasant than others & it differs by person doing the listening
- yazzku 3y agoWe know you want the Trump voice. Also not just voice synthesis, but the word output should also be modeled after the character. E.g., [alarm 7:30] -> "It's 7:30, wake up you stupid son of a bitch!"
- Havoc 3y agoCan't wait for my assistant to tell me he's a great assistant, possibly the best in the world.
- DueDilligence 3y ago[dead]