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I would love to hear Steve Jobs' thoughts on this if he were still alive. He famously was quoted as saying Microsoft has "no taste", and I can't help but think
by qbasic_forever 3y ago
I would love to hear Steve Jobs' thoughts on this if he were still alive. He famously was quoted as saying Microsoft has "no taste", and I can't help but think this commercialization of the core OS interface is the epitome of tasteless and cheap.
It's hard to imagine a company like Microsoft with so many billions in the bank is so hard up for cash that they're effectively putting billboards up for sale on their primary product. I'm sure Jobs would have had some colorful things to say, if not outright gloating at the vindication.
- nightski 3y agoDoesn't Apple offer backup services in OSX? From what I can tell that's all this is, it's offering the ability to backup via OneDrive for a cost...
- actionfromafar 3y agoWrong thread?
- lostlogin 3y ago*macOS. Yes, iCloud is offered across platforms and OneDrive would be the Microsoft equivalent.
- actionfromafar 3y agoYeah... that too. I came here to point out the contrast between the technical marvel that is Windows, and the sheer obscenity of the tracking hell it enables.
- cm2187 3y agoI don't like it any more than you, but my biggest beef is iOS nagging me all the time with modal dialog boxes to sell me apple paid services. It won't be Apple lecturing Microsoft on this topic.
- zmk5 3y agoIt's a pain in Apple Photos that continually nags you about running out of space or buying more. They also have persistent notification badges for settings if you don't turn on iCloud.
- dmannorreys 3y agoIf you are backing your photos up to iCloud and you're running out of space, of course you will get a notification. Just disable Photos sync to iCloud if you rely on another cloud like Google Photos
- WirelessGigabit 3y agoI cannot even use Google Photos in the same way that I use iCloud. With iCloud I can set the system up to only retain low-resolution versions and only fetch high-quality when needed. I can't do that with Google Photos. ANY app that requires me to open a photo opens up with the standard iOS photo viewer which does not allow anything. I can't even write an integration for iOS photos so I can browse my NAS, or Google Photos or DropBox or whatever.
- Toutouxc 3y agoBut doesn’t the nagging make sense if you’re already using iCloud sync for Photos (so you’re obviously interested in the functionality) but running out of the free (trial basically) space? The badges are crap, yes.
- sho_hn 3y agoMy beef is that something about taking my Samsung Bluetooth earphones out of my ears launches Apple's Music/iTunes app, and only that, and after a cursory search, this apparently can't be turned off. Aside from the annoyance itself, pushing a particular app/service is also not what I want an OS to do.
- rscrawfo 3y agoThis drives me crazy ever single day.
- gabipurcaru 3y agowell, to be fair, the app store has ads in search. When you search for app X, you're likely to see its competitor Y as the first result. (Though this is obviously not Jobs' doing.)
- wombat-man 3y agooh give me a break! They are promoting OneDrive. I use Macs and an iPhone, I definitely get pestered to use iCloud, news or apple music all the time! The music app alone is mostly screens pushing Apple Music. The headline makes it sound like they're selling general ad space.
- qbasic_forever 3y agoForced Candy Crush, Facebook and other installs, MSN tabloid news articles, etc. are all over Windows start menu too. It's extremely tasteless and looks like a grocery store checkout aisle.
- MikusR 3y agoAnd is irrelevant to this article.
- wombat-man 3y agoI think I've seen the apple news widget helpfully installed on my iPad before. The candy crush thing is true, but I haven't really noticed it until I just checked. The pinned apps thing is sorta annoying but generally I just hit windows + type whatever I'm looking for. Like spotlight on mac.
- eastbound 3y agoYou are discountingthe effect that the plebs still using Windows will click on Candy Crush and get addicted. It may hook only 7 people out of 100, but it’s just toxic.
- tracker1 3y agoI recall seeing an ad from a start menu search... admittedly, an insiders build and likely a test feature... but they're definitely at least considering it... I don't use many apple apps on my m1 laptop, so can't say much there. All said, my desktop has been in Linux 99.9% of the time since first seeing that. Though Win11 had already been pissing me off a lot well before then.
- Toutouxc 3y agoThere are places in macOS where Apple really makes sure that you do know about iCloud and do consider subscribing, but it’s still nowhere near what Microsoft does, and it feels more like someone offering you an optional dessert after lunch instead of extended car warranty.
- nanidin 3y agoAnd Apple Music, and Apple Classical Music, and Apple News, and Apple Fitness, and ...
- Toutouxc 3y agoTbh I don’t think I’ve ever used the new Music app (I’m on Spotify) and the last two are not available where I live :)
- danaris 3y agoI use the Apple Music app constantly and never get nagged to buy the service. On macOS, I just unchecked the "Apple Music" checkbox under "Show" in the Music Preferences, and on iOS turned off the "Show Apple Music" toggle in Settings > Music. Boom, no nagging.
- hef19898 3y agoOpt in vs. opt out. Those check boxes should be disabled be default. And they are not.
- baal80spam 3y ago> He famously was quoted as saying Microsoft has "no taste" Eh, I really don't expect my hammer and screwdriver to be "tasty", I expect them to be reliable, stable, sturdy and customizable.
- TZubiri 3y agoIn terms of complexity, a computer is more like a car than a hammer.
- Toutouxc 3y agoThat’s why you probably don’t use many Apple devices, which is totally cool. I on the other hand, expect something that I look at, touch and use literally for half of my waking hours to be as “tasty” as possible. It’s actually one of the most important factors, if not the most important.
- colonwqbang 3y agoIf your hammer had a habit of interrupting your work, in order to suggest purchasing a subscription for nails, you would not be happy.
- abraxas 3y agoYou likely gave some idiot a startup idea or some exec the next project.
- marcosdumay 3y agoYeah. I call that failing to be reliable. That's definitely not about taste.
- andybee 3y agoYeah when I buy a hammer I always buy the one that has no labels on it of any kind. Just plain hammer and no signage on it whatsoever. Thats super important because what if I stop hammering and start reading the sign, could be a serious distraction. None of that, I am all about work and hammering.
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- MikusR 3y agoApple devices have had this same type of ad for years.
- data-ottawa 3y agoYep, > A “small” number of Windows 11 users will now see “notifications” encouraging them to use other Microsoft products when clicking on the Windows Start Menu Is the red dot on System Preferences a software update, or is it "Update Apple ID Settings" which wants me to sign in to iCloud everywhere just because I use Apple Music. Apple even goes so far as to change the behaviour of the notification 'X' so that instead of dismissing the notification it opens System Preferences to iCloud for me. The only way to dismiss it is to swipe it off screen (not what you usually do), and it returns each time I wake my computer and periodically through the day.
- Vikerchu 3y ago??? The start button on mac does not have ads
- surgical_fire 3y agoIronic, considering how user hostile Mac OS interface is. Either way, I hope this pushes more people towards Linux. Moved to Mint recently and couldn't be happier. Only wish I could use it for work as well, but oh well.
- blooalien 3y agoI'm so glad I got comfortable using Linux early on. It just keeps getting easier to use and more powerful. Even gaming on Linux is pretty much tolerable these days thanks in part to Valve / Steam and their Proton fork of WINE.
- surgical_fire 3y agoI don't have a Steam Deck and I have no intention of buying one. But damn I am grateful it exists. It single handedly allowed me to have Linux and nothing else on my personal machine. Gaming on Linux for me has been more than tolerable, it has been as close to perfection as I always hoped.
- blooalien 3y agoGaming on Linux for me started getting easy for me around WINE 3.0-ish, when EverQuest (and other MMOs of that time period) started running pretty near flawlessly for me. That's when my Windows XP/7 partition finally died for the last time on my system. Ain't been back to Windows since (other than trying out Windows 10 on a friend's system and instantly remembering why I had learned to hate Windows). Since Steam came to Linux and Valve released Proton, it's all only gotten better by leaps and bounds.
- tracker1 3y agoIt's funny, I spent the time to get a windows app launching in proton as I was having some issues with the Linux version that I didn't have the time/patience to diagnose and fix myself. The launcher is called proton-call ... I changed Steam to use the version of proton to match what the app expected, and it worked pretty cleanly. All said, I do wish it were easier for a separate launcher or third party to include proton as a separate package. https://github.com/caverym/proton-caller https://github.com/caverym/proton-caller
- secondcoming 3y agoLast OS update for my iPad kept nagging me to accept the T&Cs for iCloud. Eventually, it wouldn't let me update the OS without updating iCloud, which requires accepting the licence.
- _boffin_ 3y agoApple is doing the same thing, just more overtly. I find your comment a bit jumping on the bandwagon and lacking of thought. Off the top of my head, apple has advertising for: - Stocks - Maps - iCloud that never stops pestering you. - AppStore - News It looks like Apple may add ads into Podcasts and Books.
- tinus_hn 3y agoThis is a common complaint but it is really not on the same level as advertising for trash like Candycrush.
- mardifoufs 3y agoComparing those to having tiktok on your start menu without being able to remove it (like an Apple News notification, for example) is completely asinine. I use windows everyday and coming from LTSC, the ads on 11 have been very surprisingly gross. Which is a shame since I actually really like win11 a part from that. But I would take apple ads all day if I had a choice between the two.
- _boffin_ 3y agoI truthfully find them all a sickening distraction that attempts to steal my current context and thus, I really don’t distinguish between candy crush ads vs the apple ads as I find them all sickening.
- whatwhaaaaat 3y agoI find the inability to distinguish from services like iCloud and one drive, services that supplement the os, to apps and adware like tiktok and candy crush, lacking of thought.
- _boffin_ 3y agoI don't think you grasped what I said...
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- hammyhavoc 3y agoThis isn't a new idea whatsoever. Even going back to the '90s, Windows had ads, but people have a very selective memory. This is likely where the anecdote came from in first place. Microsoft Network/MSN on 95/98, anyone? Office? Internet Explorer? Windows Welcome Experience on XP? Media Guide tab on Windows Media Player on XP? I could go on for hours.
- goosedragons 3y agoNo where close as aggressive. Windows 98 never interrupted your boot a few days after install "to complete the setup experience" asking you to subscribe to MSN or order a copy of Office 97.
- hammyhavoc 3y agoThe aggressivity isn't the topic of discussion, the topic of discussion is what Steve Jobs would have thought about ads in an OS, but we already know what he thought about Microsoft ("no taste" anecdote) and MS were already pushing things in Windows prior to Jobs' passing, ergo he almost certainly would have found it tasteless. If the goal of a tool is to provide an efficient means to tackling a task, Windows is becoming further and further removed from its ability to effectively do that with layers of cruft, up-sell and dark patterns. It's not been great since the '90s. With that said, I'm sure Jobs would find plenty to dislike in modern macOS and iOS too with all the crap bolted on top of them. Apple TV UI is a good example too. I'm sure he would have had some strong opinions on the Apple Pencil as well.
- AraceliHarker 3y agoMicrosoft is a public company, so they always need to grow their business. That’s why they do anything that seems to make money. Even if it’s a software that costs 200 dollars, they show ads in the software.
- qbasic_forever 3y agoApple is a public company too..
- andybee 3y agoPeople need to stop representing Steve Jobs like some kind of visionary. He was an asshole who stole Wozniaks talents and money. Pretty sure once he saw the money coming in from ads, he'd be the first one to do it (in fact iCloud came around when he was around so likely he signed off on it). With our without Steve Apple is already doing this, many things Apple did that are shitty are being copied in the industry, including this ad; a direct borrow of the "buy iCloud ad" "buy AppleTV" "buy Apple Fitness" (etc) we've all seen.