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She should have fled the country while she had the chance

gizajob 3y ago
She might have even thought that she even had the clout and the skills (getting pregnant) to even defeat the justice system though.
- ALittleLight 3y ago
  Given what she did manage, who could blame her for thinking this?
  - TacticalCoder 3y ago
    That's a line of thought I often see but... In the end all she did manage was to land herself in jail for 11 years. That's not "genius". Not even smart. That's just plain dumb. To win a stupid prize, it takes a stupid person to play a stupid game. And I cannot wait to see the stupid prize that "altruistic genius" SBF gets.
    - gizajob 3y ago
      Agreed, but not only stupid, she has some kind of sociopathic disorder which is what's causing all this chaos. And the pretty disgraceful idea to bring lives into the world that would depend on her to try and get herself out of it. I can't help but see her having children as yet another calculated, cynical and nutty move on her part.
sdfghswe 3y ago
Wasn't there a story that she was waiting out of jail and booked a flight without return and was immediately arrested?
- belter 3y ago
  "Elizabeth Holmes Booked A One-Way Flight To Mexico After Fraud Conviction, Prosecutors Say" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/01/20/elizabeth-holmes-booked-a-one-way-flight-to-mexico-after-fraud-conviction-prosecutors-say/?sh=3e56cc5260cc https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/01/20/eliza...
  - sdfghswe 3y ago
    This story makes me happy that justice works some times.
    - toomuchtodo 3y ago
      People in this thread are confusing satisfaction in the justice system for schadenfreude. It’s just nice to see people who have done wrong held accountable.
      - sdfghswe 3y ago
        I'm not confusing anything.
    - olliej 3y ago
      Yet she still wasn't immediately incarcerated.
  - bpodgursky 3y ago
    Look, this story is stupid. It was a 3-leg trip she speculatively booked while appealing her sentence. If she was genuinely trying to flee the country, she would not have booked a 1-way flight months ahead of time. She can afford a round trip ticket, bought at the airport on the day of departure. Or fled across the Mexico border. Or smuggled herself out on a boat. There are SO MANY ways to flee the country that are not shouting "HEY FYI TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT — I'M LEAVING FOR A BIT".
    - 3y ago
vkou 3y ago
Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Even getting into a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty isn't going to help you. An extradition treaty is just a streamlined process for extraditing criminals - unless you're a natural citizen, or there's a particular geopolitical reason (Snowden), there's ~zero reason for why your host country won't make a one-off exemption for you.
- wisnoskij 3y ago
  Being on the run is not exactly the same thing as living in some 10 million dollar mansion in some non-extradition country. What would the feds be willing to pay for her? Snowden got asylum so some minor power could piss off and show up a geo-political rival. She would just gift 1 million dollars to some king who would just claim that she was not in his county when America came asking for her extradition.
- fhrow4484 3y ago
  > 11 years playing golf Not quite sure there's a golf course there. Here's an overview of the same jail a "real housewives of salt lake city" is in. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-prison-life-cold-cells-18-cents-pay/amp/ https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-pris... "It’s unclear why Shah asked to serve at that specific prison but People says other notable inmates who have been sent to the Bryan camp have included Hidalgo County, Texas, Commissioner Sylvia Handy; Jenna Ryan, who participated in the January 6 Capitol attack; and Lea Fastow, a former assistant treasurer at Enron." https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-prison-sentence-bryan/ https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-... I wonder if the buildings have A/C. Summer in Texas can be pretty hot
- nobody9999 3y ago
  >Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Except Martha Stewart was released from prison 18 years ago[0], Bernie Madoff is male, so is in a men's prison and those with Federal prison sentences of ten years or longer are not eligible for minimum security (or "club fed", as you put it) facilities[1]. As such, she will likely serve her sentence in a "low security" facility rather than a "minimum security" facility[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart [1] I searched around and couldn't find the specific rules. However, I posted here (several years ago, not going to go through a few hundred pages of posting history to find it. Sorry.) about wanting to commit a non-violent, Federal felony and receive a long Federal prison sentence in a minimum security ("club fed") facility as a retirement strategy on a par with Medicaid funded assisted living facilities. The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) to be eligible. I was informed, with links that sentences of ten years or more are not eligible for Federal minimum security facilities.
Traubenfuchs 3y ago
Where would you even go? Who‘d even want you? Russia? A life in either one of the few countries that doesn‘t do extraditions to the USA or staying in hiding, always afraid, sounds miserable.
- etrautmann 3y ago
  Sure, but compared to jail? I could imaging preferring living in a small cabin off the grid in some remote place as an alternative. She obviously deserves it, but in the hypothetical case the alternatives don’t seem all that terrible.
  - Traubenfuchs 3y ago
    I guess living in a weird, alien place til death with your stolen millions is better than 16 years in prison.
  - oh_sigh 3y ago
    Prison for 11 years, realistically prison for 5 years and then a supervised release. It's not the end of the world. And she will still be able to see her kids by doing this.
    - mikeyouse 3y ago
      No, Federal prisons aren't subject to parole or supervised release. There are limited credits for good behavior that max out at 15% of her sentence so the best possible outcome for her is serving 9 years and 7 months of her 135 month sentence. She won't be out of prison before 2033.
    - tschwimmer 3y ago
      Holmes was charged with a federal crime and there is currently no parole for federal crimes. [0] She will do almost all of the 11 years. There is a good conduct reduction, which caps out at 54 days a year, so it's possible she could get out in 9 1/2 years. [1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_S... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good%20conduct%20time%2C%20good%20time,and%2For%20crimes%20while%20incarcerated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good....
oh_sigh 3y ago
Does she even have any considerable assets? Fleeing the country and living like a queen in Bahrain is totally different from fleeing the country and needing to work for a living still.
- mannerheim 3y ago
  Her baby daddy's family owns a luxury hotel chain, so presumably she wouldn't have to work. https://www.evanshotels.com/ https://www.evanshotels.com/
bruceb 3y ago
She is too famous and/or isn't rich enough to do this.

She might have even thought that she even had the clout and the skills (getting pregnant) to even defeat the justice system though.

ALittleLight 3y ago
Given what she did manage, who could blame her for thinking this?
- TacticalCoder 3y ago
  That's a line of thought I often see but... In the end all she did manage was to land herself in jail for 11 years. That's not "genius". Not even smart. That's just plain dumb. To win a stupid prize, it takes a stupid person to play a stupid game. And I cannot wait to see the stupid prize that "altruistic genius" SBF gets.
  - gizajob 3y ago
    Agreed, but not only stupid, she has some kind of sociopathic disorder which is what's causing all this chaos. And the pretty disgraceful idea to bring lives into the world that would depend on her to try and get herself out of it. I can't help but see her having children as yet another calculated, cynical and nutty move on her part.

sdfghswe 3y ago

Wasn't there a story that she was waiting out of jail and booked a flight without return and was immediately arrested?

belter 3y ago
"Elizabeth Holmes Booked A One-Way Flight To Mexico After Fraud Conviction, Prosecutors Say" - https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/01/20/elizabeth-holmes-booked-a-one-way-flight-to-mexico-after-fraud-conviction-prosecutors-say/?sh=3e56cc5260cc https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2023/01/20/eliza...
- sdfghswe 3y ago
  This story makes me happy that justice works some times.
  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    People in this thread are confusing satisfaction in the justice system for schadenfreude. It’s just nice to see people who have done wrong held accountable.
    - sdfghswe 3y ago
      I'm not confusing anything.
  - olliej 3y ago
    Yet she still wasn't immediately incarcerated.
- bpodgursky 3y ago
  Look, this story is stupid. It was a 3-leg trip she speculatively booked while appealing her sentence. If she was genuinely trying to flee the country, she would not have booked a 1-way flight months ahead of time. She can afford a round trip ticket, bought at the airport on the day of departure. Or fled across the Mexico border. Or smuggled herself out on a boat. There are SO MANY ways to flee the country that are not shouting "HEY FYI TO THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT — I'M LEAVING FOR A BIT".
  - 3y ago

vkou 3y ago

Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Even getting into a country that doesn't have an extradition treaty isn't going to help you. An extradition treaty is just a streamlined process for extraditing criminals - unless you're a natural citizen, or there's a particular geopolitical reason (Snowden), there's ~zero reason for why your host country won't make a one-off exemption for you.

wisnoskij 3y ago
Being on the run is not exactly the same thing as living in some 10 million dollar mansion in some non-extradition country. What would the feds be willing to pay for her? Snowden got asylum so some minor power could piss off and show up a geo-political rival. She would just gift 1 million dollars to some king who would just claim that she was not in his county when America came asking for her extradition.
fhrow4484 3y ago
> 11 years playing golf Not quite sure there's a golf course there. Here's an overview of the same jail a "real housewives of salt lake city" is in. https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-prison-life-cold-cells-18-cents-pay/amp/ https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/7141761/jen-shahs-pris... "It’s unclear why Shah asked to serve at that specific prison but People says other notable inmates who have been sent to the Bryan camp have included Hidalgo County, Texas, Commissioner Sylvia Handy; Jenna Ryan, who participated in the January 6 Capitol attack; and Lea Fastow, a former assistant treasurer at Enron." https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-prison-sentence-bryan/ https://www.kbtx.com/2023/01/08/reality-tv-star-wants-serve-... I wonder if the buildings have A/C. Summer in Texas can be pretty hot
nobody9999 3y ago
>Maybe I'm not the kind of risk taker that steals a billion dollars, but 11 years playing golf with Martha Stewart and Bernie Madoff at Club Fed sounds vastly preferable to being on the run for your entire life. Except Martha Stewart was released from prison 18 years ago[0], Bernie Madoff is male, so is in a men's prison and those with Federal prison sentences of ten years or longer are not eligible for minimum security (or "club fed", as you put it) facilities[1]. As such, she will likely serve her sentence in a "low security" facility rather than a "minimum security" facility[2]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart [1] I searched around and couldn't find the specific rules. However, I posted here (several years ago, not going to go through a few hundred pages of posting history to find it. Sorry.) about wanting to commit a non-violent, Federal felony and receive a long Federal prison sentence in a minimum security ("club fed") facility as a retirement strategy on a par with Medicaid funded assisted living facilities. The former not requiring you to spend all your assets (okay, you can keep $2000) to be eligible. I was informed, with links that sentences of ten years or more are not eligible for Federal minimum security facilities.

Traubenfuchs 3y ago

Where would you even go? Who‘d even want you? Russia? A life in either one of the few countries that doesn‘t do extraditions to the USA or staying in hiding, always afraid, sounds miserable.

etrautmann 3y ago
Sure, but compared to jail? I could imaging preferring living in a small cabin off the grid in some remote place as an alternative. She obviously deserves it, but in the hypothetical case the alternatives don’t seem all that terrible.
- Traubenfuchs 3y ago
  I guess living in a weird, alien place til death with your stolen millions is better than 16 years in prison.
- oh_sigh 3y ago
  Prison for 11 years, realistically prison for 5 years and then a supervised release. It's not the end of the world. And she will still be able to see her kids by doing this.
  - mikeyouse 3y ago
    No, Federal prisons aren't subject to parole or supervised release. There are limited credits for good behavior that max out at 15% of her sentence so the best possible outcome for her is serving 9 years and 7 months of her 135 month sentence. She won't be out of prison before 2033.
  - tschwimmer 3y ago
    Holmes was charged with a federal crime and there is currently no parole for federal crimes. [0] She will do almost all of the 11 years. There is a good conduct reduction, which caps out at 54 days a year, so it's possible she could get out in 9 1/2 years. [1] [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_parole_in_the_United_S... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good%20conduct%20time%2C%20good%20time,and%2For%20crimes%20while%20incarcerated https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_conduct_time#:~:text=Good....

oh_sigh 3y ago

Does she even have any considerable assets? Fleeing the country and living like a queen in Bahrain is totally different from fleeing the country and needing to work for a living still.

mannerheim 3y ago
Her baby daddy's family owns a luxury hotel chain, so presumably she wouldn't have to work. https://www.evanshotels.com/ https://www.evanshotels.com/

bruceb 3y ago

She is too famous and/or isn't rich enough to do this.