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I don't know about a /complete/ vindication. She was still a weirdo that occasionally got to wedge her shitty attempts at art into stuff created by people more
by hbn 4y ago
I don't know about a /complete/ vindication. She was still a weirdo that occasionally got to wedge her shitty attempts at art into stuff created by people more talented than her, just because she was in a relationship with one of the Beatles. Can't forget Bill Burr's rant about Yoko Ono appearing alongside a performance by Lennon and Chuck Berry, screaming into the mic like an idiot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4K07Kz7M8Q https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4K07Kz7M8Q
- KerrAvon 4y agoThe point is that “Yoko Ono is freakishly weird” — true or not — is not why the Beatles broke up.
- beepbooptheory 4y agoLike it or not, there is a whole world of art and music outside of your pop world that doesn't rest on naive ideas of talent==good, of which Yoko is a highly regarded individual. She was an original member of Fluxus for god sakes! She studied under John Cage! Her art is displayed at MoMA and surely countless other place. You may think it's idiotic, but all that shows is your somewhat narrow idea of what art and music can be. I wonder what you'd think of some of George's solo ventures, something like "Wonderwall Music" is probably just as idiotic to you.
- FalconSensei 4y ago> She was an original member of Fluxus for god sakes! > Although she didn't actually join the Fluxus group, she collaborated over many years with him [1] So... she was not. Also, Fluxus, MoMA, these are visual arts. That doesn't mean she has training or talent to be playing music on live television with Lennon and Berry [1]: https://fluxusmuseum.org/holding-page-for-yoko-ono/#:~:text=Yoko%20Ono%20was%20admired%20by,others%20associated%20with%20the%20group https://fluxusmuseum.org/holding-page-for-yoko-ono/#:~:text=....
- freejazz 4y ago> That doesn't mean she has training or talent to be playing music on live television with Lennon and Berry Gosh, what an imposition on society. How will we get over it, even decades later now? For what it's worth, John thought she belonged.
- FalconSensei 4y ago> For what it's worth, John thought she belonged For romantic reasons, musicianship (?) reasons? A mix of both? Or... if they were not together, would she be there screaming during a Berry solo?
- freejazz 4y agoJohn respected her as an artist, I'm not sure why you are being obtuse about this. Do you have any familiarity with their relationship outside of this youtube video of them playing with Chuck Berry? John and Yoko put out several albums together and Yoko is prolific in the avant garde/experimental music scene.
- FalconSensei 4y ago> Yoko is prolific in the avant garde/experimental music scene Which was not what they were playing there on that live.
- freejazz 4y agoSo? You ignore everything else I wrote which even more directly addresses your point so I'm not sure what you are trying to say besides just hating on Yoko for the hell of it. Yawn, oldest shtick out there.
- FalconSensei 4y agoI don't hate Yoko. But she had no place on that specific performance, and Berry's face - and the fact that her mic was cut - proves it.