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They’re selling nudes of imaginary women on Reddit

35 points by whalesalad 4y ago

andrewclunn 4y ago
This was the obvious next step to anyone paying attention. I refer to my earlier comment on a recent thread regarding AI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35512567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35512567
- faeyanpiraat 4y ago
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- booleandilemma 4y ago
  I wonder why your previous comment was flagged and this one is getting downvoted. You seem to be making sense. The whole situation reminds me of this Futurama scene: https://youtu.be/wJ6knaienVE https://youtu.be/wJ6knaienVE
- natpalmer1776 4y ago
  I'm afraid I don't understand why you're being flagged into oblivion for these comments. While I don't agree wholly with your take on the situation, the fact remains that there is a situation about which dialogue must be had. In my cohort (M26, 90's kids) the number of young men who have completely eschewed long-term relationships in favor of short-term hookups or other forms of gratification is somewhat alarming. As (albeit weak) evidence that this is due to the changing roles, expectations, and power (im)balance between men & women, simply look at the sheer volume of 'toxic masculinity' podcasts, social media accounts, and other platforms spouting these jaded worldviews. Men are raising other men up who are saying what they believe to be true but lack the voice to say. The inherent truth of the message is not what is concerning, but rather the rate at which the beliefs are spreading. As a man who has been happily married for the past 6 years with two kids I love more than life itself, I have very little personal stake in this issue; however the fact remains that this issue is very real and is affecting a large proportion of young men.
anonzzzies 4y ago
What’s the difference? I won’t be meeting the real girls so they might as well be fake.
Workaccount2 4y ago
There already a few chatGPT "companion" projects that give ChatGPT a cutting edge AI voice and "girlfriend" pre-prompts. The onlyfans phenomenon might turn out to just be a flash in the pan.
- josefresco 4y ago
  Dating sim that does your taxes: https://taxheaven3000.com https://taxheaven3000.com - No idea if it's powered by "AI".
  - RodgerTheGreat 4y ago
    It is in no way AI related; it's a standard visual novel.
  - eh9 4y ago
    Pretty sure it was powered by MSCHF
  - danso 4y ago
    Fwiw that tax sim is a joke project done by a well known art collective https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF
jsnell 4y ago
Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523527
dcchambers 4y ago
Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates). The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine. And I think we're going to see the rate of mental illness, suicide, mass shootings, etc continue to climb to numbers that not long ago would have been unfathomable. I don't want to be an AI luddite but I am terrified.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates Yes, because of housing, healthcare, childcare and education costs spiraling out of control and the difficulty of getting well paying jobs to cover those costs are pushing youngsters to spend their youth and most fertile years hunched behind a desk studying and working to climb the corporate ladder to afford a home bigger than a shoebox in the sticks with a 30 year mortgage, not because of AI generated porn. Graphic porn has been around for over 100 years and blaming it now for falling birthrates has got to be the silliest things ever, up there with blaming avocado toast for millennials being poor. Present society is economically fucking the young generations for monetary gains, and they're aware everything is stacked against them, so instead of taking part in this impossible to win ratrace/squidgame, they choose to check out of the most expensive things in life (traditional marriage and having kids) and instead spend their adulthood on various hobbies and individualistic hedonistic endeavors (smoking pot, VR porn and anime waifus, videogames, being a perpetual nomad in cheap countries, avocado toast, lattes, etc.). All these things are the effect, but not the root cause.
  - wlesieutre 4y ago
    > People shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them! People can't afford kids and aren't having them > shockedpikachu.gif
  - dcchambers 4y ago
    I'm not saying AI porn is the cause of it, I'm saying it's going to be another thing added on to the stack of issues that already exist.
galaxytachyon 4y ago
With the rising number of single young adults, this will just feed the fire. We may eventually end up with a generation that is unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship. On one hand, this is definitely not ideal. But on the other hand, I can't blame them for seeking the easy way. A good relationship requires almost unacceptable sacrifices for a young adult considering the rising costs and stagnant wages and the expectations from their partners and family and workplace. Not to mention potential complications such as cheating, abuse, emotional issues, and maybe even legal problems. Way too much risk for just too little gain. A simulation has maybe 50% of the benefits and none of the downside. In a way, this is the result that we as a society has pushed for. And we might be about to pay a price for it.
- standardUser 4y ago
  It seems to me the Boomers were the generation "unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship", hence the rise in divorces and latchkey kids and single-parent homes. Boomers are still getting divorced at a higher rate than other generations. A lot of younger generations may just be trying to avoid the very obvious mistakes their parents and grandparents made when they married the first or second person they dated and then had children as quickly as possible.
lapama 4y ago
We are beyond family as a basic unit of human civilisation.
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tambourine_man 4y ago
I remember walking out of the movie Her, by Spike Jonze, thinking it was a nice sensible film, but definitively pushing it in the plausibility sense. I rewatched it a couple of weeks ago and it felt like a documentary. The movie is 10 years old. Many of you have probably watched/rewatched it recently, but if you haven’t, I highly recommend it. The wooden frame on computers, valuing things “written by humans” hit close to home.
rambojohnson 4y ago
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tennisflyi 4y ago
Porn should fetch a premium if you can prove it's "real" then.

35 points by whalesalad 4y ago

This was the obvious next step to anyone paying attention. I refer to my earlier comment on a recent thread regarding AI: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35512567 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35512567

faeyanpiraat 4y ago
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booleandilemma 4y ago
I wonder why your previous comment was flagged and this one is getting downvoted. You seem to be making sense. The whole situation reminds me of this Futurama scene: https://youtu.be/wJ6knaienVE https://youtu.be/wJ6knaienVE
natpalmer1776 4y ago
I'm afraid I don't understand why you're being flagged into oblivion for these comments. While I don't agree wholly with your take on the situation, the fact remains that there is a situation about which dialogue must be had. In my cohort (M26, 90's kids) the number of young men who have completely eschewed long-term relationships in favor of short-term hookups or other forms of gratification is somewhat alarming. As (albeit weak) evidence that this is due to the changing roles, expectations, and power (im)balance between men & women, simply look at the sheer volume of 'toxic masculinity' podcasts, social media accounts, and other platforms spouting these jaded worldviews. Men are raising other men up who are saying what they believe to be true but lack the voice to say. The inherent truth of the message is not what is concerning, but rather the rate at which the beliefs are spreading. As a man who has been happily married for the past 6 years with two kids I love more than life itself, I have very little personal stake in this issue; however the fact remains that this issue is very real and is affecting a large proportion of young men.

anonzzzies 4y ago

What’s the difference? I won’t be meeting the real girls so they might as well be fake.

Workaccount2 4y ago

There already a few chatGPT "companion" projects that give ChatGPT a cutting edge AI voice and "girlfriend" pre-prompts. The onlyfans phenomenon might turn out to just be a flash in the pan.

josefresco 4y ago
Dating sim that does your taxes: https://taxheaven3000.com https://taxheaven3000.com - No idea if it's powered by "AI".
- RodgerTheGreat 4y ago
  It is in no way AI related; it's a standard visual novel.
- eh9 4y ago
  Pretty sure it was powered by MSCHF
- danso 4y ago
  Fwiw that tax sim is a joke project done by a well known art collective https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSCHF

jsnell 4y ago

Dupe: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523527 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35523527

dcchambers 4y ago

Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates (many are already below replacement rates). The rise of AI companions is going to absolutely drop the bottom out of even the most pessimistic birth rate outlooks. It's easy to imagine a future where the majority of all young people give up on trying to establish real relationships and just resort to AI companions for the cheap and easy dopamine. And I think we're going to see the rate of mental illness, suicide, mass shootings, etc continue to climb to numbers that not long ago would have been unfathomable. I don't want to be an AI luddite but I am terrified.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Most developed countries are already worried about declining birth rates Yes, because of housing, healthcare, childcare and education costs spiraling out of control and the difficulty of getting well paying jobs to cover those costs are pushing youngsters to spend their youth and most fertile years hunched behind a desk studying and working to climb the corporate ladder to afford a home bigger than a shoebox in the sticks with a 30 year mortgage, not because of AI generated porn. Graphic porn has been around for over 100 years and blaming it now for falling birthrates has got to be the silliest things ever, up there with blaming avocado toast for millennials being poor. Present society is economically fucking the young generations for monetary gains, and they're aware everything is stacked against them, so instead of taking part in this impossible to win ratrace/squidgame, they choose to check out of the most expensive things in life (traditional marriage and having kids) and instead spend their adulthood on various hobbies and individualistic hedonistic endeavors (smoking pot, VR porn and anime waifus, videogames, being a perpetual nomad in cheap countries, avocado toast, lattes, etc.). All these things are the effect, but not the root cause.
- wlesieutre 4y ago
  > People shouldn't have kids if they can't afford them! People can't afford kids and aren't having them > shockedpikachu.gif
- dcchambers 4y ago
  I'm not saying AI porn is the cause of it, I'm saying it's going to be another thing added on to the stack of issues that already exist.

galaxytachyon 4y ago

With the rising number of single young adults, this will just feed the fire. We may eventually end up with a generation that is unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship. On one hand, this is definitely not ideal. But on the other hand, I can't blame them for seeking the easy way. A good relationship requires almost unacceptable sacrifices for a young adult considering the rising costs and stagnant wages and the expectations from their partners and family and workplace. Not to mention potential complications such as cheating, abuse, emotional issues, and maybe even legal problems. Way too much risk for just too little gain. A simulation has maybe 50% of the benefits and none of the downside. In a way, this is the result that we as a society has pushed for. And we might be about to pay a price for it.

standardUser 4y ago
It seems to me the Boomers were the generation "unequipped to deal with the responsibilities and demands of a real relationship", hence the rise in divorces and latchkey kids and single-parent homes. Boomers are still getting divorced at a higher rate than other generations. A lot of younger generations may just be trying to avoid the very obvious mistakes their parents and grandparents made when they married the first or second person they dated and then had children as quickly as possible.

lapama 4y ago

We are beyond family as a basic unit of human civilisation.

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tambourine_man 4y ago

I remember walking out of the movie Her, by Spike Jonze, thinking it was a nice sensible film, but definitively pushing it in the plausibility sense. I rewatched it a couple of weeks ago and it felt like a documentary. The movie is 10 years old. Many of you have probably watched/rewatched it recently, but if you haven’t, I highly recommend it. The wooden frame on computers, valuing things “written by humans” hit close to home.

rambojohnson 4y ago

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tennisflyi 4y ago

Porn should fetch a premium if you can prove it's "real" then.