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Judge Denies Elizabeth Holmes' Request for Release on Bail

33 points by Bigdaddytech 4y ago

Bigdaddytech 4y ago
In April, Holmes is set to commence serving her sentence in prison; however, she has the option to seek bail from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals during her conviction appeal.
kmbfjr 4y ago
The end of that article reads like it was AI generated.
- hackernewds 4y ago
  alas we shall never know
- beilharz 4y ago
  Absolutely. Do we have something better than the GPT-2 Detector[1] to understand if this is the case automatically? [1] https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/
- boeingUH60 4y ago
  I checked out other articles on the site. It seems like they're all AI-generated, with a few human edits. Behold, the spam revolution is upon us.
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michaelbuckbee 4y ago
Saved you a click: bail was denied not because she was a flight risk but because she's already been convicted of other charges and the judge determined even if she is found innocent in this new trial it won't exonerate her.
hackernewds 4y ago
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- samwillis 4y ago
  > Elizabeth Holmes purposefully went on to get pregnant, just to garner empathy No one knows that, and it's a disservice to humanity to push this narrative. She committed crimes, and is being rightfully punished. That doesn't mean as a human she looses the right to have a family. I imagine facing a very long stretch in prison that will take you past the point where it's possible to start a family motivates you to consider starting one. But that's not to say it was a "good" or moral choice for her to make - I feel for any child who parents are incarcerated. As much as people like to see criminals as 2d villains, they are humans with fundamental human drives.
  - HPsquared 4y ago
    That's a tricky thing to consider, especially when imprisoning women.
  - gt565k 4y ago
    Everyone knows! This is a common scheme to get pregnant in order to avoid jail / get leniency. It’s quite common and a disgusting way to try and dodge accountability.
  - Mistletoe 4y ago
    Normally I would side with your view but if you know anything about Holmes this is a very naive view to take. > Holmes' defense team cited her "two very young children" in its latest argument for why Holmes is not a flight risk and should remain out of prison while she appeals her fraud conviction.
    - bombcar 4y ago
      Lawyers will and are almost required to argue anything they think may work, whether done intentionally or no. If she had developed sudden cancer they would have argued using that, too. Until she says what and why she was doing what she did (and even then) we don’t really know - mayhap she realized her chance of having children afterwards would be severely reduced.
jongjong 4y ago
Interesting how she ended up marrying some rich guy and live in a mansion after her conviction. Did she launder money to his family while she was CEO of Theranos? Otherwise I just don't get it. 11 years is a great deal if she gets to live in a mansion afterwards. Why did I waste my career being honest?
- gat1 4y ago
  > Why did I waste my career being career honest ? Because you are not rich enough to get the mansion jail package.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Nor well connected enough to scam for millions & billions.
- glogla 4y ago
  I think that goes in general. White collar crime pays, most if it goes uncovered and when it does, you might get few years of prison, while still ending up being rich for rest of your life. Few years of 24/7 prison or 30+ years of 9-5 prison?
  - tejohnso 4y ago
    > Few years of 24/7 prison If you could just mind your own business and do your time while in prison this would seem plausible but from what I understand, once you're in there you have a good chance of getting charged with further crimes that you end up involved in. Maybe not so much as a female.
    - jongjong 4y ago
      On the plus side, you can probably save a lot of money on rent.
  - HPsquared 4y ago
    White collar criminals usually have the proceeds seized by authorities.
haunter 4y ago
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- hgsgm 4y ago
  Submitter is (probably) the site owner and definitely a chronic HN spammer. No idea why the submitter and site aren't banned yet
  - deleted 4y ago
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- perihelions 4y ago
  And the OP article is plagiarized from Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/legal/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-cannot-remain-free-during-appeal-judge-rules-2023-04-11/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/theranos-founder-elizabeth-hol... -- "A federal judge has denied a request to release Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes from prison while she appeals her fraud conviction" <=> "A U.S. judge on Monday denied Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes' request to remain free on bail while she appeals her conviction on charges of defrauding..." -- "Holmes was sentenced to 11 years and three months in prison in November for defrauding investors..." <=> "U.S. District Judge Edward Davila sentenced Holmes to 11 years and three months in prison in November" -- "He noted that even if Holmes won her appeal challenging the admission of evidence about Theranos’ inaccurate blood tests, it would not result in a reversal of the other convictions against her" <=> "Davila concluded that even if Holmes won her appeal to challenge the Theranos technology evidence, it wouldn't result in a reversal or a new trial of all the counts she was found guilty of" Etc. (this is just 3 of the first 4 sentences!) The little anti-string-matching substitutions, like "to challenge" -> "challenging", show clear intent to obfuscate.
hgsgm 4y ago
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33 points by Bigdaddytech 4y ago

In April, Holmes is set to commence serving her sentence in prison; however, she has the option to seek bail from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals during her conviction appeal.

kmbfjr 4y ago

The end of that article reads like it was AI generated.

hackernewds 4y ago
alas we shall never know
beilharz 4y ago
Absolutely. Do we have something better than the GPT-2 Detector[1] to understand if this is the case automatically? [1] https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/ https://openai-openai-detector.hf.space/
boeingUH60 4y ago
I checked out other articles on the site. It seems like they're all AI-generated, with a few human edits. Behold, the spam revolution is upon us.
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michaelbuckbee 4y ago

Saved you a click: bail was denied not because she was a flight risk but because she's already been convicted of other charges and the judge determined even if she is found innocent in this new trial it won't exonerate her.

hackernewds 4y ago

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samwillis 4y ago
> Elizabeth Holmes purposefully went on to get pregnant, just to garner empathy No one knows that, and it's a disservice to humanity to push this narrative. She committed crimes, and is being rightfully punished. That doesn't mean as a human she looses the right to have a family. I imagine facing a very long stretch in prison that will take you past the point where it's possible to start a family motivates you to consider starting one. But that's not to say it was a "good" or moral choice for her to make - I feel for any child who parents are incarcerated. As much as people like to see criminals as 2d villains, they are humans with fundamental human drives.
- HPsquared 4y ago
  That's a tricky thing to consider, especially when imprisoning women.
- gt565k 4y ago
  Everyone knows! This is a common scheme to get pregnant in order to avoid jail / get leniency. It’s quite common and a disgusting way to try and dodge accountability.
- Mistletoe 4y ago
  Normally I would side with your view but if you know anything about Holmes this is a very naive view to take. > Holmes' defense team cited her "two very young children" in its latest argument for why Holmes is not a flight risk and should remain out of prison while she appeals her fraud conviction.
  - bombcar 4y ago
    Lawyers will and are almost required to argue anything they think may work, whether done intentionally or no. If she had developed sudden cancer they would have argued using that, too. Until she says what and why she was doing what she did (and even then) we don’t really know - mayhap she realized her chance of having children afterwards would be severely reduced.

jongjong 4y ago

Interesting how she ended up marrying some rich guy and live in a mansion after her conviction. Did she launder money to his family while she was CEO of Theranos? Otherwise I just don't get it. 11 years is a great deal if she gets to live in a mansion afterwards. Why did I waste my career being honest?

gat1 4y ago
> Why did I waste my career being career honest ? Because you are not rich enough to get the mansion jail package.
- bombcar 4y ago
  Nor well connected enough to scam for millions & billions.
glogla 4y ago
I think that goes in general. White collar crime pays, most if it goes uncovered and when it does, you might get few years of prison, while still ending up being rich for rest of your life. Few years of 24/7 prison or 30+ years of 9-5 prison?
- tejohnso 4y ago
  > Few years of 24/7 prison If you could just mind your own business and do your time while in prison this would seem plausible but from what I understand, once you're in there you have a good chance of getting charged with further crimes that you end up involved in. Maybe not so much as a female.
  - jongjong 4y ago
    On the plus side, you can probably save a lot of money on rent.
- HPsquared 4y ago
  White collar criminals usually have the proceeds seized by authorities.

haunter 4y ago

Flagged. AI generated SEO spam site Barebones front page with multiple articles https://www.capith.com/ https://www.capith.com/ AI generated about us page https://www.capith.com/about-us/ https://www.capith.com/about-us/ Contact page leads to 1 follower on Twitter https://twitter.com/CapithNews https://twitter.com/CapithNews The Mastodon and Facebook links are straight up broken HTML https://www.capith.com/contact-us/ https://www.capith.com/contact-us/ And even if you check it's a dead account with 0 followers https://mastodon.social/@capith https://mastodon.social/@capith

hgsgm 4y ago
Submitter is (probably) the site owner and definitely a chronic HN spammer. No idea why the submitter and site aren't banned yet
- deleted 4y ago
  [deleted]
perihelions 4y ago
And the OP article is plagiarized from Reuters. https://www.reuters.com/legal/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-cannot-remain-free-during-appeal-judge-rules-2023-04-11/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/theranos-founder-elizabeth-hol... -- "A federal judge has denied a request to release Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes from prison while she appeals her fraud conviction" <=> "A U.S. judge on Monday denied Theranos founder Elizabeth Holmes' request to remain free on bail while she appeals her conviction on charges of defrauding..." -- "Holmes was sentenced to 11 years and three months in prison in November for defrauding investors..." <=> "U.S. District Judge Edward Davila sentenced Holmes to 11 years and three months in prison in November" -- "He noted that even if Holmes won her appeal challenging the admission of evidence about Theranos’ inaccurate blood tests, it would not result in a reversal of the other convictions against her" <=> "Davila concluded that even if Holmes won her appeal to challenge the Theranos technology evidence, it wouldn't result in a reversal or a new trial of all the counts she was found guilty of" Etc. (this is just 3 of the first 4 sentences!) The little anti-string-matching substitutions, like "to challenge" -> "challenging", show clear intent to obfuscate.

hgsgm 4y ago

Flagged for respim spam of https://www.reuters.com/legal/theranos-founder-elizabeth-holmes-cannot-remain-free-during-appeal-judge-rules-2023-04-11/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/theranos-founder-elizabeth-hol...